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Unified Korea by 2045?

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President Moon Jae-in, marking Liberation Day, highlighted the importance of turning the nation's geopolitical position into a strength, and using it to uphold peace and prosperity in Northeast Asia, connecting the continent with the ocean.
And that can happen by combining the powers of the two Koreas. 

"I pledge to solidify denuclearization and the peace regime on the Korean Peninsula during my term in office. I pledge to solidify the foundation so that we can stand tall in the world as one Korea by achieving peace and unification by 2045, which will mark the 100th anniversary of liberation."

And before reaching that centennial of Korea's liberation, the president also pledged to solidify the foundations of inter-Korean cooperation by promising to host the joint 2032 Seoul-Pyeongyang Olympics.
Sharing his vision of "peace economy" to capitalize on a denuclearized Korea and inter-Korean partnership, the president boasted that the unified Korea can become one of the six largest economies in the world and enjoy a GDP per capita of 70-to-80 thousand U.S. dollars around the year 2050.
Referring to the doubts that resurfaced over North Korea's firing of short-range projectiles, Moon said the "momentum for dialogue remains unshaken", a significant result of the administration's work towards peace on the Korean Peninsula. 
And he said the soon-to-come working-level talks between Pyeongyang and Washington will "probably constitute the most critical juncture" in the peace-building process, calling for all possible support to make them a success.

"When we pass this hurdle, denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula will move closer and inter-Korean relations will also make significant strides. When economic cooperation accelerates and the peace economy begins, unification will beckon as a stark reality before us someday."

The president said that by achieving prosperity through peace, it is possible to fully accomplish liberation through a unified Korean Peninsula.

 

Ah, I sound like a newsreader reading korean news on Shiachat TV. :sunglasses:

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The US, Japan RoK GSOMOA on intelligence sharing expires next week.

RoK wants Japan to compromise while the US wants RoK to take on a 5-fold increase in payments for the stationing of US military in Korea. From $1B to $5Billion.

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The two countries are so far apart economically though, what does a unified Korea mean for the economy? The political system? This only addresses denuclearization and taking the military threat away, which is a good step but how do you integrate two countries together which are about as ideologically different as night and day. 

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26 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

what does a unified Korea mean for the economy?

Over simplified:  RoK is high tech and the World's 5th largest economy. The DPRK is a natural resources and heavy industry economy. Economically integrated, they would soon displace Germany as #4 and if Japan falters, they could be in contension for #3.

l think this is why the US is so obstructionist.

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4 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

how do you integrate two countries together which are about as ideologically different as night and day. 

Korea as a civilization has existed for millennia, they will find a way to manage I’m sure.

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1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

DPRK is a great country. Look how it made merica grovel at its feet. South Korea is just a puppet.

Great country where you have to worship the dear leader and you cannot criticise him and you have to grovel at the feet of his atheist party. A country that still looks like it hasn't left the 1920s. To be a "great country" the standard should be higher than being anti-America.

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2 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Great country where you have to worship the dear leader and you cannot criticise him and you have to grovel at the feet of his atheist party. A country that still looks like it hasn't left the 1920s. To be a "great country" the standard should be higher than being anti-America.

You are upset these days my friend, we all get it. Probably because of the bad state of affairs in your country of origin. I sympathize. I am your friend anyway. This patch of time will also pass away.

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17 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

You are upset these days my friend, we all get it. Probably because of the bad state of affairs in your country of origin. I sympathize. I am your friend anyway. This patch of time will also pass away.

 At least Iraq doesn't worship the Kim dynasty and has a decent football team. 

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7 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

You are upset these days my friend, we all get it. Probably because of the bad state of affairs in your country of origin. I sympathize. I am your friend anyway. This patch of time will also pass away.

As bad as we are doing, I'm glad we don't have a North Korean style regime. It is funny how Muslims praise these regimes even considering just how anti-Islamic they actually are.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

I'm glad we don't have a North Korean style regime.

Sadly you only get CIA installed leaders and regimes, never got to feel how its like to own your own country and enjoy its citizenship being content and free. To fend off the puppeteer, the great satan. Now if only you had Juche and Kim Jong-un in Iraq yours would be a glorious country leading the Middle East and you would be in Iraq not on pilgrimage in Australia. Muslims don't deserve to be such big losers brother.

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4 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Sadly you only get CIA installed leaders and regimes, never got to feel how its like to own your own country and enjoy its citizenship being content and free. To fend off the puppeteer, the great satan. Now if only you had Juche and Kim Jong-un in Iraq yours would be a glorious country leading the Middle East and you would be in Iraq not on pilgrimage in Australia. Muslims don't deserve to be such big losers brother.

How funny :hahaha: do you think it's Islamic to worship leaders? And to have Cult of Personalities?

That's actually the Umayyad interpretation of Islam, not the Shi'I one, which believes in nahi an al munkar even in the face of the "leader". 

You keep giving me a choice between one form of fisq (CIA) and another (DPRK), what a pathetic worldview. As a believer I stand firm in rejecting both. 

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22 hours ago, Reza said:

Juche is something quite different.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

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 "...the Korean masses are to act as the "masters of the revolution and construction" and that by becoming self-reliant and strong, a nation can achieve true socialism."

"Kim Il-sung (1912–1994) developed the ideology, originally viewed as a variant of Marxism–Leninism until it became distinctly Korean in character while incorporating the historical materialist ideas of Marxism–Leninism..."

"Consequently, the North Korean government adopted Juche into a set of principles it uses to justify its policy decisions from the 1950s onwards. Such principles include moving the nation towards claimed jaju ("independence"), through the construction of jarip ("national economy") and an emphasis upon jawi ("self-defence") in order to establish socialism."

"North Korean editions of Marx used the word Juche even before the word was attributed to Kim Il-sung in its supposedly novel meaning in 1955."

Though perhaps this is most telling:

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52 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

Though perhaps this is most telling:

There may be some superficial historical overlaps, but Juche is distinct. They dropped all references to Marxism-Leninism in their constitution several years ago. Not sure Wikipedia’s categorization is definitive.

This is all a peripheral point though to the issue of reunification. But if you hate it when others wrongly categorize us, then we shouldn’t do it for others.

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7 hours ago, Sumerian said:

How funny :hahaha: do you think it's Islamic to worship leaders? And to have Cult of Personalities?

That's actually the Umayyad interpretation of Islam, not the Shi'I one, which believes in nahi an al munkar even in the face of the "leader". 

You keep giving me a choice between one form of fisq (CIA) and another (DPRK), what a pathetic worldview. As a believer I stand firm in rejecting both. 

No wonder. Yours is a nation who undermined and disobeyed Ali, disobeyed Hassan, got Hussain martyred alone then felt ashamed enough to die uselessly afterwards. Probably you deserve capitalist puppets and foreign iron fisted rule without any more real leaders.

As for nahi an al munkar oh of course I can picture you spreading it in Australia. (j/k I do not) You need Aytullah Baghdadi's Fisk free leadership as you have received. Yet you complain,

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1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

No wonder. Yours is a nation who undermined and disobeyed Ali, disobeyed Hassan, got Hussain martyred alone then felt ashamed enough to die uselessly afterwards. Probably you deserve capitalist puppets and foreign iron fisted rule without any more real leaders.

 

:hahaha: look how you have personalised an argument. We talk about DPRK and how praising that regime is definitely not in the spirit of Islam, and you go off on an attack spree on Iraq. Let me tell you, every nations has its good and bad history. Some countries worshipped idols, other nations worshipped fire, other nations worshipped money, and as we can see today, some nations worship men (like DPRK).

Kim is as much as a real leader as Trump in the eyes of Islam. 

1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

As for nahi an al munkar oh of course I can picture you spreading it in Australia. (j/k I do not) You need Aytullah Baghdadi's Fisk free leadership as you have received. Yet you complain,

What's funny is in Australia I actually have the right to do that.

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13 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

No wonder. Yours is a nation who undermined and disobeyed Ali, disobeyed Hassan, got Hussain martyred alone then felt ashamed enough to die uselessly afterwards. Probably you deserve capitalist puppets and foreign iron fisted rule without any more real leaders

With respect this is a very ignorant statement. Borders as we know them today have been drawn relatively recently and often by colonial powers. 

Furthermore, the Qur'an mentions in several places that no one shall bear the burden of another. 

Those who bring up this outdated generalization of 'iraqis' betraying the aimmah (عليه السلام) forget that some of their closest companions and martyrs include people who came from those same regions.

Having said all of this I don't believe in nationalism and I don't believe that any nation is superior to another. They are all flawed, and my allegiance can only be to the Imam of the time (عليه السلام) and to nobody else.

Wallahu a'lam 

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12 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

No wonder. Yours is a nation who undermined and disobeyed Ali, disobeyed Hassan, got Hussain martyred alone then felt ashamed enough to die uselessly afterwards. Probably you deserve capitalist puppets and foreign iron fisted rule without any more real leaders

This statement is offensive brother. The criteria you set here for the nation is quite ignorant to be honest. Ancestors of ones nation did both evil and good acts before hand. What would you say about the nation of Arabs? Their ancestors? tbvh just don’t point someone out like this as said by @Mahdavist no nation is superior to other.

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11 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

Having said all of this I don't believe in nationalism and I don't believe that any nation is superior to another. They are all flawed, and my allegiance can only be to the Imam of the time (عليه السلام) and to nobody else.

Then such people should pray for reappearance while they agree to suffer in silence regarding whatever falllible leader nature chooses over them, without complaining or showing concern about leadership. Be perfecty unconcerned about politics. Or be hypocrites.

With all due respect. How unfathomably irrational and childish.

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3 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Then such people should pray for reappearance while they agree to suffer in silence regarding whatever falllible leader nature chooses over them, without complaining or showing concern about leadership. Be perfecty unconcerned about politics. Or be hypocrites.

With all due respect. How unfathomably irrational and childish.

One can show concern without being a nationalist and without blindly following those who are in positions of power.

Wallahu a'lam 

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15 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

One can show concern without being a nationalist and without blindly following those who are in positions of power.

Wallahu a'lam 

Dear brother since all are fallible and sin except the Awaited, what's the point of showing concern all the time? One will repeatedly reject all of them and waste their political power meanwhile. Perhaps this has been one reason we have not bothered (all except Iran with its revolution). Either people should pick the lesser evil from available options, take part in politics actively to struggle for betterment of their nation, or simply give up and retire while they wait.

In my humble opinion those who reserve their right to vote even in the presence of an acceptably better choice are doing themselves and their nation quite an injustice. Of course when the Imam (عليه السلام) reappears everything will change. But until then one should at least try imo.

A man drowning in a river will accept even a plank through their natural reflex. They can always wait for the king's flagship to pick them up but later once they have stopped drowning. That is common sense, no?

 

 

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On 11/19/2019 at 6:00 AM, The Green Knight said:

Dear brother since all are fallible and sin except the Awaited, what's the point of showing concern all the time? One will repeatedly reject all of them and waste their political power meanwhile. Perhaps this has been one reason we have not bothered (all except Iran with its revolution). Either people should pick the lesser evil from available options, take part in politics actively to struggle for betterment of their nation, or simply give up and retire while they wait.

In my humble opinion those who reserve their right to vote even in the presence of an acceptably better choice are doing themselves and their nation quite an injustice. Of course when the Imam (عليه السلام) reappears everything will change. But until then one should at least try imo.

A man drowning in a river will accept even a plank through their natural reflex. They can always wait for the king's flagship to pick them up but later once they have stopped drowning. That is common sense, no?

 

 

Nothing wrong with being involved and even co-operating with other people if the goals are noble. The problem with you is that you are against criticising so-called "allies". Even if we were to accept that co-operating with North Korea is a noble deed, that does not mean we should shut up about the nature of the regime and not speak about its crimes. I told you nahi an al munkar and bara'ah includes everyone, even the faqih.

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On 11/18/2019 at 2:00 PM, The Green Knight said:

Of course when the Imam (عليه السلام) reappears everything will change.

With this, l nominate you for the Master of the Understatement Award.

:grin:

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11 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Nothing wrong with being involved and even co-operating with other people if the goals are noble. The problem with you is that you are against criticising so-called "allies". Even if we were to accept that co-operating with North Korea is a noble deed, that does not mean we should shut up about the nature of the regime and not speak about its crimes. I told you nahi an al munkar and bara'ah includes everyone, even the faqih.

Brother I never asked you to stay back. By all means, rally your tribe, mount your finest warhorses and start fixing the world, take the fight to the Fisk. I will pray for you.

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3 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Brother I never asked you to stay back. By all means, rally your tribe, mount your finest warhorses and start fixing the world, take the fight to the Fisk. I will pray for you.

lol that's not my goal. I'm not the revolutionary "red" Muslim trying to liberate the world. That would be you lol

All I'm saying is we have a right to criticise repressive regimes, I didn't sat go to war. lol

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