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Salafi shaykh says Shia's are Muslims

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DAESH was a serious issue but when a Salafi shaykh says Shia are Muslim you make fun of him.

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14 hours ago, Mortadakerim said:

I think almost any salafi sheikh would agree, as this is common logic.

Shahada+praying+fasting etc= Muslim 

And no one can tell you otherwise.

There are those at Speakers Corner like Shamsi who claim to represent Salafism.

He and all his male groupies claim that Shia are kafir.

And so a lot of Salafi shuyukh.

And vice versa we have these species in the Shia realm as well.

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8 minutes ago, Faruk said:

There are those at Speakers Corner like Shamsi who claim to represent Salafism.

I am curious about what he thinks of Yazeed (la). 

 

8 minutes ago, Faruk said:

He and all his male groupie [Edited Out]s claim that Shia are kafir.

Yes, but I think he is talking about the learned people. And I think his takfir is based upon the cursing of the three caliphs. The only people shamsi debates from the Shi’a are laymen. Bayat Al Ghadeer are not the best either and I can show a big mistake that was made by Sayed Ali. But, I think it is better to leave it as he has been embarressed too much for it.

 

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10 minutes ago, Faruk said:

And vice versa we have these species in the Shia realm as well.

But the big red honking difference in that there is that even those Shia never committed a genocide or violence unlike the non-Shia who are at it since the creations of their ideologies with each iteration.

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2 minutes ago, Mortadakerim said:

I am curious about what he thinks of Yazeed (la)

All I can say is that there is a Salafi segment who claims he was not responsible for the killing of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام).

3 minutes ago, Mortadakerim said:

Yes, but I think he is talking about the learned people. And I think his takfir is based upon the cursing of the three caliphs. The only people shamsi debates from the Shi’a are laymen.

A public speaker should specify that and not randomly shout out loud that Shia are kafir.

Almost all his male groupie bestards in the YT common section do believe all Shia are kafir unconditionally.

 

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Bayat Al Ghadeer are not the best either and I can show a big mista ke that was made by Sayed Ali. But, I think it is better to leave it as he has been embarressed too much for it.

Isa the black Shia is rude but his approach is more Bulls Eye than that of Bayat al-Ghadeer.

With Sunni ahaadith alone one can prove a lot in favour of Imam Ali (عليه السلام).

Even about his superiority above Sahaba.

But when it comes to Shia aqidah things become messed up as aqidah doesn't make any compromises nor does it accept exceptions.

Same with Sunni Aqidah. Adalatul Sahaba fpr example.

 

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15 minutes ago, Darth Vader said:

But the big red honking difference in that there is that even those Shia never committed a genocide or violence unlike the non-Shia who are at it since the creations of their ideologies with each iteration.

If so then more power to the Salafi shaykh.

But you're right although I believe Shia also commired atrocities in these problem areas. Certain militias and govermental soldiers operate in name of the nation but their intention can be rooted in Sunni hatred as well

But however not as organized and as much as the pseudo-Sunni Takfiri's.

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13 hours ago, Faruk said:

Almost all his male groupies in the YT common section do believe all Shia are kafir unconditionally.

Thank you akhi for defending Shi’as

 

13 hours ago, Faruk said:

Isa the black Shia is rude but his approach is more Bulls Eye than that of Bayat al-Ghadeer.

Please don’t listen to Isa The Ignorant.

He doesn’t represent adaab of the school of Ahlul Bayt (asws), nor does he have knowledge. I also dislike Shi’a Blade Runner. Raza and Sayed Ali are more learned and have respect

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3 minutes ago, Mortadakerim said:

Please don’t listen to Isa The Ignorant

His adab no but his knowledge and adressing the weak spots yes.

Bayat al-Ghadeer's approach is much more ideological and harder ro defend.

Isa the Black Intellektual Shia knows this.

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The first thing Bayat al-Ghadeer should do is to take Shamsi via the Qur'an to Sunni ahaadith.

Shamsi knows that Imam Ali's superiority only can be proven with Sunni ahaadith.

That is why he wil never discuss Sunni ahaadith with Shi'I because that is his weak spot 

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Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi:‎

American petrodollars, support have kept Wahhabism up

https://en.abna24.com/news//American-petrodollars-support-have-kept-wahhabism-up_995592.html

December 22, 2019 - 4:21 PM News Code : 995592 Source : RasaLink:  American petrodollars, support have kept Wahhabism up  

The revered source of emulation considered Takfiri movements to be the product of the ‎Takfiris and Wahhabis ideology and insisted that they would have disappeared had it not ‎been for American petrodollars and support.‎

Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi met with members of the Association of ‎Activists Criticizing Wahhabism held at Qom’s Imam al-Sajjad Seminary and said that the ‎Islamic Seminaries are awake in opposition to the threat of Takfirism and Wahhabism.‎

The revered source of emulation emphasized that the threat of Takfirism and Wahhabism ‎isn’t limited to ‎Shi’ahs and added, “Daesh was the product of Wahhabism and it poses a ‎threat to all of humanity.”‎
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He emphasized that the threat of Takfirism and Wahhabism is against all of humanity and ‎stated, “At the same time, one must wake up the Muslims that the Takfiris and Wahhabis ‎aren’t the only enemies of the Shi’ahs and followers of the Ahl al-Bayt.”‎
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Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi emphasized, “As the facts have become clear ‎to many people ‎around the world today, it has become easier to combat this ideology than ‎before.‎"‎

His Eminence considered the Takfiri and Wahhabi scholars to be at a very low level and ‎described his discussions with some Wahhabi scholars in Saudi Arabia and said, “We ‎discussed issues with them in Madinah and they couldn’t provide an answer to any of ‎issues.”‎
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He said that the method of Takfiri and Wahhabi argumentation is selecting verses from the ‎‎Holy Qur'an and noted, “Wahhabis only resort to verses that are ‎in accordance with their ‎goals and desires, leaving out the rest of the verses.”‎
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Referring to the baseless Wahhabi claim that the Shi’ahs believe in the ‎distortion of the Holy ‎Qur'an, Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi stated, “The fact that the Qur'an hasn’t been distorted is ‎heavily emphasized in our exegeses and ‎books. Whenever we provide proofs and answer ‎their questions, again they are ‎stubborn and insist on their false claims.‎”‎
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In another part of his remarks, the renowned teacher in the Islamic Seminaries of Qom ‎emphasized ‎that the end of Wahhabism is near and added, “If it weren't for petrodollars and ‎American support, they would have disappeared. The end of Wahhabism is a reality, their ‎survival is due to support and petrodollars.”

He considered it as the scholars’ duty to be a border guard between the religion and the ‎beliefs of the people and to safeguard the school of the Ahl al-Bayt and said, “Wahhabis ‎want to stir up the minds and thoughts of people in regard to Shi’ahs and the followers of ‎the Ahl al-Bayt by faking a series of lies and one must be very careful in this regard.”‎
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Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi called the cultural struggle against ‎Takfirism as a priority over the ‎military struggle and said, “If the Takfiri ideology is challenged, it ‎would be much easier to ‎fight them militarily and physically.‎ Of course, the Takfiris today are extremely weak in ‎various fields.”‎

 

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On 8/4/2019 at 1:45 PM, Mortadakerim said:

I think almost any salafi sheikh would agree, as this is common logic.

Shahada+praying+fasting etc= Muslim 

And no one can tell you otherwise.

He said, unless he sees for himself that a Shia is cursing the Shahaba (and that also not out of ignorance)  then he call that person a kafir specifically.

LOL

I think he should visit this forum and that will be enough to change his mind.  

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