Fears over Muslim parents withdrawing children from 'non-halal' flu vaccine

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Many Muslim residents of the United Kingdom are allegedly refusing to allow their children to take part in a nationwide flu vaccination programme because the treatment is not halal, an Arabic word which can be translated as “permissible” in English, The Telegraph reports. 

Muslim parents are specifically concerned over the Fluenz nasal spray vaccine containing gelatine which is derived from pigs, considered unclean according to Islamic law.

The Telegraph quoted Shuja Shafi, chairman of the Muslim Council of Britain’s research committee as saying, “We have consulted the scholars and this is their view […] we need another vaccine which is halal.”

The council pointed out that the Fluenz spray would only be permitted if there was no alternative and children’s lives were at risk.

Shafi’s remarks came after he called on medics last year to find "a long-term solution” to the problem.

He was echoed by Mary Ramsay, head of immunisation at Public Health England (PBE), who told the Telegraph that the PBE’s key priority is “to ensure that vaccines are safe and effective”.

The PHE “encourages parents to seek advice from their faith or community leaders to inform their decision”, she added.

Right now, there are pork gelatine-free sprays but they are only offered to high-risk children. The alternative vaccine is believed to be “less effective” in terms of reducing the spread of the flu.

[AkhiraisReal]

lol.

Gelatine should be their least worry. Why don't they check the other ingredients? out of all the ingredients in vaccine, gelatine might actually be one of the best.

you can find them here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

go down to reference materials. I just checked it, they actually keep changing the names of these harmful ingredients to keep the population ignorant and silent. they keep giving them new medical names lol. For example if I remember correctly, when checked that site years ago, it said "monkey cell or monkey kidney cell" now it only says vero cell.

actually you can find some of them here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients

now check the difference of the names from the wikipedia and the cdc. why is it so?......

wi-38, mrc-5.     https://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/mrc-5-wi-38-vaccines/

https://www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_additives_thimerosal_formaldehyde.html

increased autoimmune diseases.

 

 

Edited July 29, 2019 by AkhiraisReal

[aaaz1618]

Gelatine really is the least of our worries when you consider they put aborted foetal cells in one unrelated vaccine.

Unless you have a weak immune system or are elderly, I don't get why flu vaccines are given out. Yes, the flu is horrid, but it's not ebola!

[Akbar673]

37 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Gelatine really is the least of our worries when you consider they put aborted foetal cells in one unrelated vaccine.

Which Vaccine is that ?

[AkhiraisReal]

32 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Gelatine really is the least of our worries when you consider they put aborted foetal cells in one unrelated vaccine.

Unless you have a weak immune system or are elderly, I don't get why flu vaccines are given out. Yes, the flu is horrid, but it's not ebola!

its more than one. And some of the vaccine are very common to take amongst the Muslim population. But not a single red flag is risen. But as soon as you meantion gelatine it's HARAAM.

but dead aborted fetus cell is okay.......

 

[AkhiraisReal]

4 minutes ago, Akbar673 said:

Which Vaccine is that ?

look up mrc-5 and wi-38, these are the medical terms they have given the dead "killed/murdered" babies. Check the links above.

 

Edited July 29, 2019 by AkhiraisReal

[Akbar673]

7 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

look up mrc-5 and wi-38, these are the medical terms they have given the dead "killed/murdered" babies. Check the links above.

 

Interesting...I wasn't aware of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development

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The use of fetal tissue in vaccine development is the practice of researching, developing, and producing vaccines through the use of cultured (laboratory-grown) human fetal cells. The cells used are descendants of cells from human fetuses, but the vaccines themselves contain none of the original cells and at most very slight traces of human DNA.

So if I'm reading this correctly, the cells that are used are cells which are lab grown descendants from human fetuses, right?

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Most vaccines currently available were developed using cell strains cultured from two fetuses aborted in the 1960s

May those two souls be granted the highest level of Paradise, not only were they aborted fetuses but their cells were used to save the lives of countless millions since then.

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However, vaccine experts and manufacturers state that vaccines do not contain any of the original fetal tissue or cells, that the abortions occurred decades ago and replenishment with new tissue has not occurred, and that producing safe vaccination for many diseases requires the use of these cell strains.

I wonder if we have any verification of this being true?

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Organizations affiliated with the Catholic Church, which opposes abortion, have stated that vaccination should not be refused on moral grounds because the public health benefits of vaccination outweigh the historical use of aborted fetal tissue to develop some vaccines.

Can't say I disagree with the Catholic Church on this. What is the Shi'a opinion of this? (if there even is one). Do we have a Sunni opinion on this? (assuming Islam has even issued any type of an opinion on this?

[AkhiraisReal]

2 minutes ago, Akbar673 said:

May those two souls be granted the highest level of Paradise, not only were they aborted fetuses but their cells were used to save the lives of countless millions since then.

 

you are not allowed to kill a single baby even if its saves 5 billion lives. A baby is the most purest thing on Earth they are sinless and a mercy from Allah.

 

[Akbar673]

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

you are not allowed to kill a single baby even if its saves 5 billion lives. A baby is the most purest thing on Earth they are sinless and a mercy from Allah.

 

Very true, however my question was actually towards what is Islam's position, if it has one, on using lab grown, cultured cells which were reproduced from human cells. You don't need to kill to gain access to human cells. They can be voluntarily donated, assuming they are cells which can be removed from a living donor's body?

If the cells can be pulled from the body of a living person then is that an Islamically valid means of developing a vaccine? Similar to blood donation?

 

[AkhiraisReal]

4 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

Very true, however my question was actually towards what is Islam's position, if it has one, on using lab grown, cultured cells which were reproduced from human cells. You don't need to kill to gain access to human cells. They can be voluntarily donated, assuming they are cells which can be removed from a living donor's body?

If the cells can be pulled from the body of a living person then is that an Islamically valid means of developing a vaccine? Similar to blood donation?

 

I have not seen anything of the speakers, sheikh or ayatullah mentioning this at all. Maybe I havn't searched enough, or maybe they are all ignorant of the fact. Or maybe they simple can't bother to tell the sheeps because they just like to follow orders.

Edited July 29, 2019 by AkhiraisReal

[AkhiraisReal]

Why are they giving the black people all kinds of vaccines, medicines, new drugs, and everything. But they can't still have clean water and organic food.

[aaaz1618]

3 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

maybe they are all ignorant

I think this is the problem, most people are ignorant. Look at vegans, most don't know the amount of animal cells and animal products that are pumped into their bodies. Ask a Hindu if they are cool with bovine cells too.

[aaaz1618]

3 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Why are they giving the black people all kinds of vaccines, medicines, new drugs, and everything. But they can't still have clean water and organic food.

The world has its priorities so, so backwards, and people sit there telling us how backward we are for being Muslims...

Ha.

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I have not seen anything of the speakers, sheikh or ayatullah mentioning this at all. Maybe I havn't searched enough, or maybe they are all ignorant of the fact. Or maybe they simple can't bother to tell the sheeps because they just like to follow orders.

Salam , it's never asked from them by a doctor  or physician that knows the process of making vaccines because generally killing a baby in every stage in fetus has different levels of rullings & punishment  that nvever asked from a wise scholar or Marja & kept as a secret by vaccine makers that some people between Shia Muslims that have enough knowledge about it ,asks it by describing details from wise scholars or at least one Marja because they only know about source of Gelatin in vaccines because only it asked from them , not rest of process . 

Edited July 30, 2019 by Ashvazdanghe

[AkhiraisReal]

13 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Why are they giving the black people all kinds of vaccines, medicines, new drugs, and everything. But they can't still have clean water and organic food.

for those wondering, the give them gmo food, like gmo rice. Because it has more vitamins and is cheaper. the usual nonsense.

yet they give them the expensinve vaccines.

Edited July 30, 2019 by AkhiraisReal

[Akbar673]

17 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I have not seen anything of the speakers, sheikh or ayatullah mentioning this at all.

That's one of the problems that we have with our leadership. They are simply not aware of the current situations out there involving technical and detailed situations such as this. 

17 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Maybe I havn't searched enough, or maybe they are all ignorant of the fact.

I would dare say it is the latter, they just don't know that its out there.

17 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Or maybe they simple can't bother to tell the sheeps because they just like to follow orders.

Please explain what you mean by that.

[AkhiraisReal]

1 hour ago, Akbar673 said:

That's one of the problems that we have with our leadership. They are simply not aware of the current situations out there involving technical and detailed situations such as this. 

I would dare say it is the latter, they just don't know that its out there.

Please explain what you mean by that.

Our leaders have one of the brilliant and smartest thinkers out there. They have very educated and knowledgeable people around them at all times. So how can they not be aware, unless there is something really fishy going on.

this video should explain some of it.

 

[Akbar673]

20 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Our leaders have one of the brilliant and smartest thinkers out there. They have very educated and knowledgeable people around them at all times. So how can they not be aware, unless there is something really fishy going on.

this video should explain some of it.

 

So its basically a Conspiracy Theory that you are basing your opinion on?

[AkhiraisReal]

11 minutes ago, Akbar673 said:

So its basically a Conspiracy Theory that you are basing your opinion on?

yes and no

[AkhiraisReal]

anyone else that has something to add regarding vaccines, and whether we should take them or not.

Edited August 1, 2019 by AkhiraisReal

[ireallywannaknow]

34 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

anyone else that has something to add regarding vaccines, and whether we should take them or not.

Haven't read the whole topic but sure I'll add that many vaccines, at least in the US, still contain high levels of Mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde which are neurotoxins. Plus there is no way to know how these different ingredients act together when compounded over time, especially in the small delicate bodies of children. Avoid multivaccines where they combine them to save time and cut down on visits. However sometimes the benefits outweigh the harm, so you have to look at each vaccine individually and for each child. Many of the vaccines on the almost mandatory schedule are really not necessary for most people. 

[AkhiraisReal]

12 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

Haven't read the whole topic but sure I'll add that many vaccines, at least in the US, still contain high levels of Mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde which are neurotoxins. Plus there is no way to know how these different ingredients act together when compounded over time, especially in the small delicate bodies of children.

So why has the Muslim community never said anything about these issues. Why is it so quiet when it's neurotoxins, but when it's gelatine Haraammm!.

so many parents give their kids vaccines without knowing what it does to them. Then days later, weeks, months, years later, they receive some disorder or autoimmune diseases. And they wonder where it comes from.

[PureExistence1]

12 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

o why has the Muslim community never said anything about these issues. Why is it so quiet when it's neurotoxins, but when it's gelatine Haraammm!

As salaamun aleikum,

My take? Because for the most part, people are ignorant. They don't bother to look at the ingredients and what's in their food or how some of those unpronounceable and unheard of ingredients may affect a person's health, they don't look at what's in vaccines and how like someone else mentioned, how those things compounded can endup messing with the immune system especially in little children.. I mean seriously, is it really necessary to inject a newborn baby with a vaccination for  Hepatitis C, something that's only transmissible through  IV drug use or sex??

Heck, most people don't even know what's going on with their own bodies when they get sick and don't ask the right questions when they go to a doctor. They just go in there say "this hurts", the doctor tells them to take a medication and they leave. End of story. They don't bother to ask what caused what's wrong, what can I do to solve this without taking prescription medications, if I take the prescription medication what are the side effects, will this medication interact with anything I'm already taking? What are the side effects? What about problems with this med and my supplements? A lot of medications even interact with simple foods, like grapefruit for example. Many people don't step back and ask about these things. 

 People just don't learn about things in life. So my answer to this question is simply people being ignorant. It's a major epidemic and I don't really know what the cause of it is but it's very frustrating to have to deal with. 

It would be interesting to hear what our Scholars say about this subject. There's probably some flexibility in the matter, kind of like how Sistani made gelatin okay because he says it's gone through some kind of a process that makes it not the same anymore, kind of like the same thing that happens with wine vinegar, it becomes not wine anymore so therefore it's permissible..

I don't know, to be honest, I'm more worried about the chemicals and garbage that's in there before I'm worried about the pork aspect of it, but that's just me. I don't take vaccinations for anything, and I haven't for years and I can't remember the last time I got sick with the flu, and I live in a highly populated area with people who don't have good hygiene, which is the majority of the population wherever you go. People are nasty and they don't wash their hands and they do nasty things and they put their hands in nasty places, then they pretty much touch everything they come in contact with, from anything we see on the shelves at the grocery store, in the produce section, two hands and rails and shopping carts and anywhere people can touch they do, so yeah, it's not as if I'm existing on an island and I'm not exposed to people who are spreading germs everywhere... Despite all this, Al hamdu lillah, I haven't gotten sick for whatever the reason is, so I don't see a personal reason to take vaccinations for myself. I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people especially some on shiachat so I'm going to leave it at that.

W/s

[ireallywannaknow]

Medicine has its time and place of course, alhamdulillah for all of the research and technology and breakthroughs etc. However it's completely overused and over relied on. We don't implement the advice from the Ahlul Bayt regarding maintaining good health. Imam Ali said taking salt before and after meals prevents 70 diseases. Washing hands. Only eating when hungry. Filling belly with 1/3 food, 1/3 water, and 1/3 air. The hadiths are really endless. Plus using Allah's names for healing... There's just such a wealth of unused knowledge out there. 

[AkhiraisReal]

32 minutes ago, Shia farm girl said:

 I'm more worried about the chemicals and garbage that's in there before I'm worried about the pork aspect of it, but that's just me. I don't take vaccinations for anything, and I haven't for years

AlhamdulIllah. At least some of us are smart to think and make our own due diligence before following the sheep

[AkhiraisReal]

13 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

Medicine has its time and place of course, alhamdulillah for all of the research and technology and breakthroughs etc. However it's completely overused and over relied on. We don't implement the advice from the Ahlul Bayt regarding maintaining good health. Imam Ali said taking salt before and after meals prevents 70 diseases. Washing hands. Only eating when hungry. Filling belly with 1/3 food, 1/3 water, and 1/3 air. The hadiths are really endless. Plus using Allah's names for healing... There's just such a wealth of unused knowledge out there. 

if only we where taught that in our school or homes and applied it to our daily lives.........