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Pedosexual? Is that next?

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I’m not pro or anti LBQBT, but this will be next and people will support it (with how stupid & disgusting they are) . Their agenda is to push an atheistic type world agenda....

I mean seriously LGQBT people say religion is nonsense and other things, just so they can do all this

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2 hours ago, BowTie said:

WHAT THE FUDGE 

:salam:

TED conferences have gained so much weight in influencing business, we should all be wary of their agenda pushing.

Their original slogan is 'Ideas to change the world'.

Ps 2nd video comments section is gold.

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I can't understand the L and the G but can accept it. The T is an over emotional extension of the L or the G, stupid as it is, I can also accept it, ( at a distance), but the B is straight up bisexual perversion, "I'll do anybody". Of course children are next. They have them sexually confused from as early as possible. Children are future potential orifices, that is all. 

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2 hours ago, Isaam said:

I’m not pro or anti LBQBT, but this will be next and people will support it (with how stupid & disgusting they are) . Their agenda is to push an atheistic type world agenda....

I mean seriously LGQBT people say religion is nonsense and other things, just so they can do all this

This will never be acceptable because babies/children are not aware/mature enough to give consent.

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Now I hate to be that guy, but to remind all those morally disgusted at the thought of this becoming a thing let's not forget that technically speaking a girl could be married at 9 according to fiqh as she is baligha, an adult. Also the social construct of "teenagers" is relatively new (1950s) in the big scheme of things. Before that you were either a child or an adult.

In many Muslim socieities this already happens. Yemen as of present still does not even have a minimum age of consent in law. 

And as we know from a secular, Western perspective the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) marriage to Ayesha has been much scrutinised too (yes we all know the arguments and counter arguments).

All I'm saying is let's not be hypocrites, I can almost imagine a bemused non Muslim reading this.

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1 hour ago, Son of Placid said:

but the B is straight up bisexual perversion, "I'll do anybody".

I wonder whether in the fullness of time we'll get 'The rise of the bisexuals'. Their philosophy being that unless you've tried all options, how could you possibly know?

We'd then get new textbooks being issued to kids aged 5, which would delete all references to people having a consistent sexuality throughout their lives and more emphasis on 'exploration'. After all, heterosexuality and homosexuality are, by definition exclusive and discriminatory.

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1 hour ago, Aflower said:

This will never be acceptable because babies/children are not aware/mature enough to give consent.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

They’re already giving them drugs for conversion from male to female. This “mature” enough argument is being ignored by “progressives”.

and yes, pedophilia is next. With that “love is love” slogan the LGBTQ group is using, pedophiles can easily use that argument

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This is disgusting I saw something similar like this where they actually support pedophilia and give sympathy to those who have that illness. ITS JUST PLAIN WRONG LIKE ITS NOW OKAY TO SEXUALLY HARRAS AND RAPE A CHILD NOW I AM SO DONE WITH THIS DUNYA

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It's no different to the LGBTQ.

In the past, LGBTQ people were shunned by society then in the same way that paedophiles are shunned now.....

Years later the LGBTQ people are widely accepted. The same will happen with paedophiles, they too will become accepted. 

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4 hours ago, Isaam said:

I mean seriously LGQBT people say religion is nonsense and other things, just so they can do all this

 

7 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

This is disgusting I saw something similar like this where they actually support pedophilia and give sympathy to those who have that illness. ITS JUST PLAIN WRONG LIKE ITS NOW OKAY TO SEXUALLY HARRAS AND RAPE A CHILD NOW I AM SO DONE WITH THIS DUNYA

But child marriage happens in Muslim socieities, especially rural ones, religiously sanctioned nikkah.

Would yall be equally opposed to this and equally outraged? 

My point is, this is already a thing.

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11 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

bulugh has nothing to do with it. marriage is about consent.

Sure it is about consent. But bulugh is relevant as clearly Islamic civilisation and the West differ as to when a child reaches adult accountability. Admittedly age of consent has changed over the years in the West, in some Euro countries it is 14, 15.

But people's outrage in this thread is on a presupposed legislation allowing such relationships.

I have not watched these videos but I am guessing they are talking about mutual, consentual relationships as opposed to going about forcibly doing it without consent.

So if a 9 year old girl's wali gave his permission and she consented (and this has and does happen) then you have no issue with it? 

Edited by Propaganda_of_the_Deed

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23 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

 

But child marriage happens in Muslim socieities, especially rural ones, religiously sanctioned nikkah.

Would yall be equally opposed to this and equally outraged? 

My point is, this is already a thing.

YES

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20 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

So do you disagree with maraji that a girl reaches bulugh aged 9?

Not only in our fiqh but other mathabs too.

 

This has got nothing to do with marriage. When a girl reaches bulugh it basically means she's mature, but that doesn't mean she's old enough to marry. I don't think Rasullulah(sawas) even married off his daughter Sayed Fatima (عليه السلام) at the age of nine.

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13 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

This has got nothing to do with marriage. When a girl reaches bulugh it basically means she's mature, but that doesn't mean she's old enough to marry. 

That is not true, yes she is obligated to fulfil her wajib acts but also she is an adult at this age. Technically she can be married too and this does happen.

Whether or not the individual is physically and mentally mature is of course another matter.

 

Issue #8: It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse (with one’s wife) before she reaches 9 years in age, be it in Nikaah (permanent marriage) or Mut’a (temporary marriage). As for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, kissing, embracing, and thighing (I.e., rubbing penis between the thighs), there is no problem in it. [That is, there is no problem in deriving such pleasures from one’s wife before she reaches the age of 9 years.]

https://www.Sistani.org/Arabic/book/16/858/

 

Also Ayatullah Khoei:

 [ 3694 ] مسألة 1 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين(1) حرّة كانت أو أَمة، دواماً كان النكاح أو متعة(2)، بل لا يجوز وطء المملوكة(3) والمحلّلة كذلك.

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/?id=4703

Edited by Propaganda_of_the_Deed

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1 minute ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Just because a marji said something does not make it the infallible truth

I don't recall stating rulings by maraji as such. 

2 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

The problem is we’re equating women in 600 AD, who pretty much did not have a role other than get married and pump out children, with women now who have many more opportunities and different ways of life.

And village, rural based womenfolk, (where child marriage is higher than urban based) are really that much different?

4 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Your argument is one dimensional.

But yours is not, with your blanket assumption that women's roles and opprtunites have drastically, universally changed around the world? (They have not).

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I watched these videos and maybe I didn't understand something but basically they never said we must accept sex with children. They just said that we must accept that some people have "pedophile feelings" and we must accept them and help them. But they said we must help them to not do the act. They say basically what many Muslims say about homosexuals and homosexuality. 

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3 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Now I hate to be that guy, but to remind all those morally disgusted at the thought of this becoming a thing let's not forget that technically speaking a girl could be married at 9 according to fiqh as she is baligha, an adult. Also the social construct of "teenagers" is relatively new (1950s) in the big scheme of things. Before that you were either a child or an adult.

In many Muslim socieities this already happens. Yemen as of present still does not even have a minimum age of consent in law. 

And as we know from a secular, Western perspective the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) marriage to Ayesha has been much scrutinised too (yes we all know the arguments and counter arguments).

All I'm saying is let's not be hypocrites, I can almost imagine a bemused non Muslim reading this.

 

2 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

So do you disagree with maraji that a girl reaches bulugh aged 9?

Not only in our fiqh but other mathabs too.

 

Yes being married at 9 years old is still disgusting. Maraji’ still think its 1,000 years back

Though I have discussed it with many scholars. There is an opinion thst said yes she can marry at 9, like as a legal marriage but not have sex. 

But never the less, I’m still against choosing a little girls fate at 9 years old whether with sex or without it. 

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58 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I watched these videos and maybe I didn't understand something but basically they never said we must accept sex with children. They just said that we must accept that some people have "pedophile feelings" and we must accept them and help them. But they said we must help them to not do the act. They say basically what many Muslims say about homosexuals and homosexuality. 

No. “Lets be mature about pedophilia” stated that we shouldnt let law enforcement interfere. 

Let alone, if they BEGAN with this logic. Do you know where they will reach? And theyre speaking with this soft voice. Its all psychology. Feeling sorry for what? Even pedophilia is something theyre “born with”? Please. 

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6 minutes ago, BowTie said:

 

Yes being married at 9 years old is still disgusting. Maraji’ still think its 1,000 years back

I understand, however there are probably hundreds of thousands of preteen girls in rural areas across the world not finishing school, living very traditional, domestic lifestyles that have not changed much 1,000 years back and getting married.

Rural Yemen, Afghanistan, India, Egypt, Sudan. Even rural Turkey and Iran this happens.

Also not to mention nomadic, bedouins living on the fringe of society. If village lifestyle has changed little in a thousand years, you should see these people.

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1 minute ago, Ali~J said:

While this thread is ongoing can someone explain this:

 

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Not sure, however similar to Ayatullahs Sistani and Khoei, as I mentioned earlier, Khomeini issued this ruling:

Tahreer al-Waseelah: مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة

Tahreer al-Waseelah, volume 2, page 343 Issue #12: It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse (with one’s wife) before she reaches 9 years in age, be it in Nikaah (permanent marriage) or Mut’a (temporary marriage). As for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and thighing (I.e., rubbing penis between the thighs), there is no problem in it, even if she is a suckling baby.

https://www.leader.ir/ar/book/13?sn=6910

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44 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

I bet they're even going to normalise the concept of incest

In Germany last year, a girl within the age of consent left her house with her uncle who they were sleeping together. The court said they were both of “age of consent” and free to do what they want. 

Love sees no borders .......:love: 

blaaaaaa 

1 hour ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I understand, however there are probably hundreds of thousands of preteen girls in rural areas across the world not finishing school, living very traditional, domestic lifestyles that have not changed much 1,000 years back and getting married.

Rural Yemen, Afghanistan, India, Egypt, Sudan. Even rural Turkey and Iran this happens.

Also not to mention nomadic, bedouins living on the fringe of society. If village lifestyle has changed little in a thousand years, you should see these people.

So what? Theyre all messed up mate.

whoever said that majority of people are correct. Majority of people find loops in religion to satisfy their sick minds.

37 minutes ago, Ali~J said:

While this thread is ongoing can someone explain this:

 

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Unfortunately this is the blackest dot in our Shia faith.

I understand where Imam Khomeini was coming from, but still shouldnt have. Imam Khomeini as a religious authority can’t say something is Haram if there is no  Aya from the Qur'an or clear Hadith that supports his ruling.

He was talking from a pure Jurisprudential point of view, not other.

But unfortunately it still doesnt add up. As much as I can make justification, I’m not convinced.

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47 minutes ago, Ali~J said:

While this thread is ongoing can someone explain this:

 

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Okay but seriously what the hell. Im sorry but this just sounds wrong. I mean he may be talking about thousands of years ago when it was a normal thing, but  "a man can have sexual pleasures from a child as young as a baby", so its okay to have sexual relationships with girls as young as 4? like

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37 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Okay but seriously what the hell. Im sorry but this just sounds wrong. I mean he may be talking about thousands of years ago when it was a normal thing, but  "a man can have sexual pleasures from a child as young as a baby", so its okay to have sexual relationships with girls as young as 4? like

That's not the worst thing I've seen from Ayatollah Khomeini unfortunately, there's a quote of a similar nature which I saw but there's no way I'm sharing that here.... It's just too much..... :locked:

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42 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Okay but seriously what the hell. Im sorry but this just sounds wrong. I mean he may be talking about thousands of years ago when it was a normal thing, but  "a man can have sexual pleasures from a child as young as a baby", so its okay to have sexual relationships with girls as young as 4? like

Soon every religion laws are going be opposite of what we call normal things (who defines what is normal thing? The masses?),  should we ditch the whole religion?

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We already have enough enemies of Islam and they exploit loopholes like the above rulings to spread hatred for our religion and it’s followers. I suppose what Imam Khomeini may be coming from is that everything is halal until proven haraam. So someone mentioned in this case that if these acts do not physically or mentally harm the girl then they are permissible. But any sane minded person would see how this is harmful, so only a wicked man will take advantage of this.

Wallahu a’lam

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