A Serious Warning

[Abu Nur]

Salaam Aleikum,

We are right now living the current time where the Qur'an verse describe it following:

And let them not be like those who were given the Scripture before, and a long period passed over them, so their hearts hardened; and many of them are defiantly disobedient.

Now Muslims are turning away from religion in masses. This is the time where our heart have become hard by following our desires and thus turning away from religion. This is the time where most of the people are going to drown and only few of them will hold on the ark of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام). Be very careful of your duties about Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and don't take them lightly because it is so easy to follow the wicked paths that are all around us. This is the time where people will be leaded with corrupted groups and leaders as a punishment of them disobeying Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

[Diaz]

Thank you brother for reminding us, this generation is so scary. A lot of people are leaving Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for stupid reasons. I hope Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) forgive the sins of the people who love him (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and think about him (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) daily. 

[Isaam]

1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

Now Muslims are turning away from religion in masses. 

I read this online:

Anas ibn Maalik (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessing be upon him) said:  «There will come upon the people a time when holding onto the religion will be like holding onto hot coal. » (Tirmidhi)

[Isaam]

It’s crazy to think about, because the doubts I have I’m trying to solve, but when these people doubt they just leave Islam and that’s sad....

I mean if you go on reddit and go to r/exmuslim those people are the living definition of a meme or joke 

[Isaam]

 

[Abu Nur]

18 hours ago, Isaam said:

 

Actually I disagree, it is really happening and have happened since the raise of secularism and specially how internet have shaped us. It is just a blind to think it is not real. 

[The Green Knight]

Brother this is an excellent reminder. Thank you. The more one looks into it, the darker it is. All we can do is struggle individually and pray for friends and family. Failure is not an option.

[GabrielWithoutWings]

From my view, the same thing happening to Islam is what happened to Christianity 15 years ago. The more people online interact with each other, the more secularism rises. 

American evangelism had a bulwark against this with leaders like Jerry Falwell. You had a cascade of events that all contributed to where we are now - Evangelical leaders dying, the internet's rise and great religious forum debates of the 00s, George W Bush, the Catholic Church "modernising" with the second Vatican council, rampant sexual abuse of children, etc. 

You'd think the West would be happier now. We're not. We're miserable. A teeming horde of purposeless men who have no higher ideals to emulate and who are emasculated. Women who simultaneously don't want to be objectified yet also want to be objects of desire and lust.  

Existential nihilism is waiting for you at the end of that road. You don't want to go down it. 

[Isaam]

57 minutes ago, GabrielWithoutWings said:

From my view, the same thing happening to Islam is what happened to Christianity 15 years ago. The more people online interact with each other, the more secularism rises. 

American evangelism had a bulwark against this with leaders like Jerry Falwell. You had a cascade of events that all contributed to where we are now - Evangelical leaders dying, the internet's rise and great religious forum debates of the 00s, George W Bush, the Catholic Church "modernising" with the second Vatican council, rampant sexual abuse of children, etc. 

You'd think the West would be happier now. We're not. We're miserable. A teeming horde of purposeless men who have no higher ideals to emulate and who are emasculated. Women who simultaneously don't want to be objectified yet also want to be objects of desire and lust.  

Existential nihilism is waiting for you at the end of that road. You don't want to go down it. 

Completely understand as I live in the west as well. Sometimes when I talk to some “Christians” at school they say they don’t know if they believe in God and they aren’t religious and don’t have any knowledge of the religion. And it’s crazy. Then some islamaphobes call themeselves “Christians” (while they’re not) and they curse out Muslims and stuff and they aren’t following the teachings of Jesus ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). 

 

And it it seems like the world is turning into an atheistic type and it’s probably the trick of shaytaan (satan), so when the anti-Christ comes everyone will fall for it and will get their worldly desires from the Anti-Christ

here is an interesting video on a Muslim channel but many Christians watch as well

Edited July 1, 2019 by Isaam

[The Green Knight]

2 hours ago, GabrielWithoutWings said:

The more people online interact with each other, the more secularism rises.

I don't believe it is so simple. There is something much deeper at work and few people realize it. It is as if an incremental number of people have lost their faculty of free and creative thought and mental development. No wonder Darwinism is rampant. People want a religion that is according to them and don't mind dodging themselves. Art has died. Cultures have disappeared. Displays of vulgarity in speech especially is rampant. People do not speak for something good, except teachers perhaps. Debates are done for personal satisfaction not for any benefit. Modern cars look ugly. People are rallying behind the worst sort of figures and leaders. Very few fear accountability and sins are done at massive scales. Someone in another thread mentioned Pakistanis generally holding on to their faiths strongly. The situation is that I have never even thought of such rampant and widespread prostitution that goes on here even in schools, colleges and universities. Alcoholism is widespread. Business frauds in everything is as common and expected as the next hour is sure to come. Criminals are glorified. No one is safe from the fallout of the decay. Its insane. And I don't want myself or mine to be a part of any of that. To be very honest sometimes I think the best way would be that the blessed Imam (عليه السلام) reappears or a clearly Godly cause appears where a man can participate and perhaps exit this world before something goes wrong with them too.

[LeftCoastMom]

4 hours ago, GabrielWithoutWings said:

From my view, the same thing happening to Islam is what happened to Christianity 15 years ago.

American evangelism had a bulwark against this with leaders like Jerry Falwell. You had a cascade of events that all contributed to where we are now - Evangelical leaders dying, the internet's rise and great religious forum debates of the 00s, George W Bush, the Catholic Church "modernising" with the second Vatican council, rampant sexual abuse of children, etc. 

I'm actually pretty happy with the " modernizing" of Vatican II. I'm old enough to remember the old liturgy and ways. My grandparents loved the changes, too. I like the liturgy being in the vernacular , parish councils made up of laypeople to oversee the church doings instead of leaving it all up to the priests, the child safety teams put in place in the parishes ( try doing that under the old regime...and the abuse didn't start in the modern era either) and a truckload of other things that have made life better for Catholics. I've been in this Church my whole life. It's much more responsive now than back then.

Jerry Fakeitwell was no bulwark against anything , except maybe a few good things.In my humble opinion. But I don't expect anyone on this site to understand what a racist ( and Islamophobic,btw)  pig he was. I had a couple of Protestant friends who used to work for his organizations until they saw the light. He'd always back down and apologize or change his tune when it looked like he was going to lose money over his stupidity, but I doubt he ever really changed. My  favorite quote about him from a person (I don't remember who) in regards to the Teletubbie's Tinky-Winky being " gay"  was " I don't know what Falwell has in his ' magic bag', but he shouldn't smoke it before watching children's television."

[Ashvazdanghe]

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[GabrielWithoutWings]

On 7/1/2019 at 1:44 AM, LeftCoastMom said:

I'm actually pretty happy with the " modernizing" of Vatican II. I'm old enough to remember the old liturgy and ways. My grandparents loved the changes, too. I like the liturgy being in the vernacular , parish councils made up of laypeople to oversee the church doings instead of leaving it all up to the priests, the child safety teams put in place in the parishes ( try doing that under the old regime...and the abuse didn't start in the modern era either) and a truckload of other things that have made life better for Catholics. I've been in this Church my whole life. It's much more responsive now than back then.

Jerry Fakeitwell was no bulwark against anything , except maybe a few good things.In my humble opinion. But I don't expect anyone on this site to understand what a racist ( and Islamophobic,btw)  pig he was. I had a couple of Protestant friends who used to work for his organizations until they saw the light. He'd always back down and apologize or change his tune when it looked like he was going to lose money over his stupidity, but I doubt he ever really changed. My  favorite quote about him from a person (I don't remember who) in regards to the Teletubbie's Tinky-Winky being " gay"  was " I don't know what Falwell has in his ' magic bag', but he shouldn't smoke it before watching children's television."

You're probably the only one I've seen explicitly state that they liked V2. Most of the Catholics I interact with think it was the precursor to clown masses and a "Protestantized" church.  Maybe you know different Catholics than me (likely). 

As for Falwell, it doesn't matter what he was or what he believed. He, along with other evangelical leaders, were keeping Protestant Christianity as the dominant religion in America, at least in my part of it (the South). The whole prayer warrior, throw your AC/DC cassettes into the garbage, etc, type of culture. 

Once the internet came and the country churches couldn't combat the flow of information and debate into peoples' homes, that was all she wrote. 

"So... The Devil didn't put dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us?" - I actually heard someone say this. 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

On 7/1/2019 at 12:09 AM, Darth Vader said:

I don't believe it is so simple. There is something much deeper at work and few people realize it. 

I would agree with you. There seems to be a... malaise. A miasma of sickness permeating the world. I don't know if it's western commercialism out of control, the dumbing down of education, the rise of the internet, or some combination of factors. 

If it wasn't for the rational part of my brain, I'd swear that there actually is some Satanic cabal running the world and Alex Jones was right all along, bless his heart. 

[Revert1963]

On 6/29/2019 at 2:31 AM, Abu Nur said:

Now Muslims are turning away from religion in masses.

If religion has become an old habit depleted of its meaning, maybe people has to turn away from religion in order to find God again. And I don't think the Jerry Fallwell's and the Zakir Naik's of the world is going to help much. I think those guys turn people away from God much more than the opposite. I think it is the hypocrisy and lack of empathy in people who claim to be religious that turns people away from religion.

[LeftCoastMom]

5 hours ago, GabrielWithoutWings said:

You're probably the only one I've seen explicitly state that they liked V2. Most of the Catholics I interact with think it was the precursor to clown masses and a "Protestantized" church.  Maybe you know different Catholics than me (likely). 

As for Falwell, it doesn't matter what he was or what he believed. He, along with other evangelical leaders, were keeping Protestant Christianity as the dominant religion in America, at least in my part of it (the South). The whole prayer warrior, throw your AC/DC cassettes into the garbage, etc, type of culture. 

Once the internet came and the country churches couldn't combat the flow of information and debate into peoples' homes, that was all she wrote. 

"So... The Devil didn't put dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us?" - I actually heard someone say this. 

I don't live in the South, so I can't comment on that. That's interesting. , Almost every Catholic I've met from various parts of the country approve of  Vatican II. I don't hang out with any particular groups that might think like me, either. Moreover, nowadays the folks who even remember the liturgy prior to Vatican II are dying off and the younger Catholics only know the current practice. One young woman I talked to, a lifelong Catholic, was shocked when I said that Mass was once celebrated in Latin. " Latin...like the Romans spoke? You are playing a joke on me. That's stupid. Why would they do that? Makes no sense." So there's no longing there for older customs. They're perfectly happy with the Church as they know it.

I've actually never seen a " clown mass" lol....would be interesting...clowning events seem to take place more in Protestant churches. I have seen some creative liturgical stuff,but it was identifiably Catholic. 

Lol about the fossils..I've heard some doozies, too, from stations far away....as for dinosaurs, God must have liked them. The Holy Spirit purportedly descended as the current version of the dinosaur.

[Isaam]

very upsetting 

[Diaz]

12 minutes ago, Isaam said:

very upsetting 

It’s not something new, a lot Lebanese people are losing their faith. XP

[Isaam]

43 minutes ago, Diaz said:

It’s not something new, a lot Lebanese people are losing their faith. XP

It seems like a lot of Muslims actually. I read the 23 percent of people who are raised Muslim leave Islam. But at the same fine 25 percent convert

[Abu Nur]

heedless

1 hour ago, Isaam said:

very upsetting

I don't believe it is religion, it is the heart and how it have changed by their actions and intentions that have been shaped from their life experience and the environment. Everyone will go the same process, some will success and live a life of goodness, thankfulness and purify their hearts and the rest will live following their desire and heed to the path of heedlessness without any guidance and direction.

[Ashvazdanghe]

8 hours ago, Isaam said:

very upsetting

 

8 hours ago, Diaz said:

It’s not something new, a lot Lebanese people are losing their faith. XP

Salam , personally I don't take BBC reports & documentaries as serious as you , because it always tries too force it's agenda on these reports & shows a burnt tree & says all jungle burnt and you must admit it because , I say it to you 

Edited July 9, 2019 by Ashvazdanghe

[Abu Nur]

The following video is warning from Imam Ali (عليه السلام) exactly referring our current time:

 

Edited July 12, 2019 by Abu Nur

[heartoflight]

The consolidation of media ownership over the past few decades has resulted in a narrow standardization of perspectives, norms, aspirations, and habits that has essentially robbed people of the impulse to seek truth and meaning for themselves.

 

Capitalist culture has standardized amorality and hedonism, consumerism has replaced spirituality, celebrity worship has replaced religious reverence, and superstition has replaced scientific inquiry.  The escalation of surface-level social media has only worsened the severity of these issues, and there's seemingly no escape now because our most critical human need- socialization- has become inextricably linked to the perpetuation of these messages.  Naturally, mental health problems are on the rise, suicide rates have reached new peaks, drug abuse is rampant, families and communities are dissolving, and a gnawing sense of unhappiness is so prevalent, it almost hangs in the air like a bleak fog.  People's souls and their innate fitrah are telling them that something is terribly, painfully wrong, but many aren't able to articulate it, and a majority are so beholden to the never-ending cycle of work and consumption that they simply don't have the leisure to figure it out.

 

This is why I'm convinced that capitalism is the true Dajjal/Antichrist.  This system is so deeply entrenched in every aspect of modern life, nothing short of an army of God could dismantle it.  And justice, equality, peace, harmony, etc all remain impossible ideals in a world where such a system prevails.

[Diaz]

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how do you leave Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? is there a place where He isnt?

Leaving him = Don’t want to worship him.

[aaaz1618]

6 hours ago, Diaz said:

Leaving him = Don’t want to worship him.

Perhaps our guest is pointing out the irony that people leave religion and seem to believe that *pufff* God ceases to exist, like one can flick off a switch or slam shut a book and the old reality goes away.