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Do you guys think unity between our these two religions would be good? (Unity as in support each other and focus on common grounds) I think so personally. And the comment I took a screenshot of, I agree with, because both religions are trying to serve God. 

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I think this sort of mutual support and cooperation eventually happens organically in most multi-religious communities. Muslims are certainly at the table now in discussing societal issues and problems with other people of faith. As well, in a truly "organic" turn of events, the rate of intermarriage is rising. This means a lot of western Muslims now being born are going to grow up with half of their family being Christian.

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2 hours ago, LeftCoastMom said:

I think this sort of mutual support and cooperation eventually happens organically in most multi-religious communities. Muslims are certainly at the table now in discussing societal issues and problems with other people of faith. As well, in a truly "organic" turn of events, the rate of intermarriage is rising. This means a lot of western Muslims now being born are going to grow up with half of their family being Christian.

Yea. Unfortunately there is still a lot of racism and hate though. Like even when I watch like an Islamic lecture online, you will always see someone comment “All Muslims to hell” or something.

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^ Racism and religious hate is going to be with us. In my case, I wish it would stay confined to comments. But there has been solidarity, too, like when non-Muslims formed a " love circle" around a mosque those white supremecists were going to do who-knows-what to in Arizona. This week, a community pushed back against folks making rude and racist online comments against Muslim students in their schools. It's a transformation period.

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Look, it’s simple. We need to differentiate between dialogue and everyday life. Most people who are not scholars should keep their mouth shut and not discuss religion because they attempt to convert everyone or show the flaws in each other’s religion. Uniting as human beings is really simple. you’re a human, I’m a human. All we need to do is squash problems that have nothing to do with religion; we have tons of them: homelessness, global warming, opioids, etc.

we complicate a very simple notion. religion is personal belief, keep it personal and let the experts talk to each other. they’re usually better at it.

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5 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

we complicate a very simple notion. religion is personal belief, keep it personal and let the experts talk to each other. they’re usually better at it.

The experts do talk to each other, but are they reaching everybody? Should the gaps then be filled by the common man if required?

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastMom said:

^ Racism and religious hate is going to be with us. In my case, I wish it would stay confined to comments. But there has been solidarity, too, like when non-Muslims formed a " love circle" around a mosque those white supremecists were going to do who-knows-what to in Arizona. This week, a community pushed back against folks making rude and racist online comments against Muslim students in their schools. It's a transformation period.

I’m glad stuff is happening. We should peacefully co-exists and we can talk about our similarities in our religions.

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As an outsider, the communions most in common with Islam are also the least likely to engage in dialogue. 

Liberals will be the most likely to engage with Muslims but, doctrinally, have the least in common. 

I'd love to see a Pan-Orthodox-Islamic conference, but good luck getting Greeks and Turks to sit down together, practically speaking. 

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Ordinary people reasonably informed regarding their own faith can have fruitful conversations if the conversations are entered into respectfully. That's what a lot of folks in this forum do every day.

We all have "experts "we can consult if something comes up.

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1 hour ago, Reza said:

The experts do talk to each other, but are they reaching everybody? Should the gaps then be filled by the common man if required?

They’re not reaching everybody because it’s a failure within the system that we accept. Look at the Zizek vs Peterson debate. That reached a lot of people because the people pushed it to be heard. We are not pushing these dialogues between the experts hard enough.

The common man should never fill anything. the common man should pressure outlets and event holders to host dialogues between experts. the common man has a hero complex, we do not need that in such situations.

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I think most common folks are going to ask common questions that other common folks can answer. For instance, if I ask my Jewish college buddy a question, she's competent enough at her faith to answer me nine times out of ten. She only has to ask the rabbi occasionally.

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55 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Ordinary people reasonably informed regarding their own faith can have fruitful conversations if the conversations are entered into respectfully. That's what a lot of folks in this forum do every day.

We all have "experts "we can consult if something comes up.

If more people in the world we’re like the people on Shiachat, than the world would be a much more friendlier place. You guys are the true Christians, because it seems like a lot don’t follow the Ten Commandments anymore, and it even seems like the youth (of any religion) don’t really care about their religious practices, and I can tell that by school

 

And if there were less people like the people who put comments like this (in the picture), (who apparently they believe themeselves as God and can decided who enters heaven or hell) Than I think everyone can co-exist peacefully 

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I'm not sure what proportion of the , say, US population is actually afraid of and negative towards Islam. But there are certainly vocal folks in that population.  Makes it hard to judge. But I do know a lot of the mainstream churches are encouraging religious tolerance these days.

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5 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

I'm not sure what proportion of the , say, US population is actually afraid of and negative towards Islam. But there are certainly vocal folks in that population.  Makes it hard to judge. But I do know a lot of the mainstream churches are encouraging religious tolerance these days.

Yea, but the people in the comment are the same people who probably think Muslims worship the moon. There was a video showing the word Allah in the Arabic Bible to show that it means ‘The God’ because ilah mean God and Al means The. So it meant the God of the Jews, Christians & Muslims

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10 minutes ago, Isaam said:

Yea, but the people in the comment are the same people who probably think Muslims worship the moon. There was a video showing the word Allah in the Arabic Bible to show that it means ‘The God’ because ilah mean God and Al means The. So it meant the God of the Jews, Christians & Muslims

It was a "Christian " word before it was a " Muslim" word, I suppose.  That would probably  would blow a few narrow minds. Lol. Belongs to Arabs of any ilk, I guess.

The same folks who think you worship the Moon likely think my church is the Wh*re of Babylon , we worship the Pope, and all that tripe. 

Willfully ignorant.

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4 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

It was a "Christian " word before it was a " Muslim" word, I suppose.  That would probably  would blow a few narrow minds. Lol. Belongs to Arabs of any ilk, I guess.

The same folks who think you worship the Moon likely think my church is the Wh*re of Babylon , we worship the Pope, and all that tripe. 

Willfully ignorant.

Yes, probably because I’m sure the Bible was translated to Arabic in some countries other than Arabia, because when Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) went there, the people were either polytheists, Atheists, or Jewish. 

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On 6/23/2019 at 8:46 PM, Isaam said:

Do you guys think unity between our these two religions would be good? (Unity as in support each other and focus on common grounds)

Yes, I think it is very much possible but that is dependant on how honest and genuine everyone is. Once, politics, greed and a lust for power is removed then yes, but has that ever not been the case in human history?

Also, when both religions have so many sects and different beliefs amongst those sects than you would have to ask this question on a much more detailed basis. Such as can 12er Shi'a get along with Presbyterians? Can Southern Baptists get along with Ismailis? Do you see where I'm going with this? Its much more granular because both religions have sub-groups that have different beliefs. Some of which are quite significant. For example, Unitarians don’t follow the concept of the trinity, whereas the Russian or Greek Orthodox does. Too many different beliefs for just a Christianity and Islam question to be asked.

On 6/23/2019 at 8:46 PM, Isaam said:

both religions are trying to serve God. 

Define God...in Christianity the overwhelming belief is that God is made up of the Trinity. Whereas, we believe in the singular existence of Allah. 

Also, there are many groups of Christians that do not believe the God of Christianity to be the same as the God of Islam. Evangelicals hold the belief that Jehovah and Allah are not the same by any stretch. The staunch Anti-Islamics claim Allah is the name of a moon God that was housed in the Kaaba. 

For unity and coexistance to happen then there would have to either be an acceptance that both religions pray to the same God, or at the very least a respect for the other religion's beliefs. This would need to happen on the Christian side moreso since Islam already states that we all pray to the same God.

Again, I do have to state this perhaps this can only happen when the evil and greedy power mongers between both religions can be eliminated or silenced. It hasn't happened in the last 1,400 years so I'm skeptical it will happen now. However, this is also something that needs to happen on an individual level moreso. If this spreads in the hearts and minds of the followers of both religions then its possible. Can't expect it to happen overnight. Too much hatred in the world right now.

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Around here there are formal inter-religious groups that include, at the moment, the leadership and laity of Christians of various sects, Jews, and  folks of other faiths. Anyone can join. They work on local social issues. One of the current ones is drug abuse in the region. People who want to work together usually find a way.

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On 6/25/2019 at 2:44 PM, LeftCoastMom said:

The same folks who think you worship the Moon likely think my church is the Wh*re of Babylon , we worship the Pope, and all that tripe. 

Yes it is quite hilarious :hahaha:

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Dialogue, partnership with Muslims necessary: Pope

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June 22, 2019 - 6:30 PM News Code : 953728 Source : IQNALink: 

Dialogue, partnership with Muslims necessary: Pope

 

Pope Francis called Friday for an overhaul of the way theology is taught in Catholic schools, saying students must learn about dialogue with Judaism and Islam, and that overall there must be greater freedom in theological research and academic pursuits. 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): Pope Francis called Friday for an overhaul of the way theology is taught in Catholic schools, saying students must learn about dialogue with Judaism and Islam, and that overall there must be greater freedom in theological research and academic pursuits. 

The pope made the call during a speech at the Jesuit-run theology university in Naples, AP reported. 

It follows his outreach this year to the Muslim world with the signing of a joint statement with the Imam of Cairo’s Al Azhar, the seat of Sunni learning, establishing the relationship between Catholics and Muslims as brothers, with a common mission to promote peace. 

In his speech, Francis said dialogue and partnership with the Muslim world is necessary “to build a peaceful existence, even when there are the troublesome episodes by fanatic enemies of dialogue.” 

Catholic theology students must learn the culture, language and way of thinking of Jews and Muslims “to better understand and live out our relationship,” he said. 

http://en.abna24.com/news//dialogue-partnership-with-Muslims-necessary-pope_953728.html

 

 

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Christians still builders of Syria’s civilization: Assad

 

July 5, 2019 - 7:42 PM News Code : 957911 Source : SANALink: 

Christians still builders of Syria’s civilization: Assad

 

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad affirmed on Thursday that Christians in Syria have never been “strangers” in this land, but they have been and still the builders of its civilization and bearers of its human and civilizational message to the whole world side by side with their Muslim brothers. 

The president participated in an open dialogue session for the catholic Syriac Syrian youth in their camp titled “My hope is in you” that started on Tuesday at St. Tuma Monastery in Sidnaya. 

“The Christian originality in Syria is necessary to boost moderation and enrich diversity… Christians throughout history have contributed, through their stances and patriotism, to foiling projects of partition in the region and they have sent a message to enemies of Syria and sponsors of terrorism that all their colonial projects are doomed to failure,” President al-Assad said. 

“The Arab identity is a civilized case, not an ethnic concept.. the Arab civilization accepts the merging of all, but it rejects the extinction of their historic identities and helps keep them… targeting Christianity aims to target the religious, cultural and civilizational diverse,” President al-Assad said. 

http://en.abna24.com/news//Christians-still-builders-of-Syria’s-civilization-assad_957911.html

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On 6/23/2019 at 7:46 PM, Isaam said:

Do you guys think unity between our these two religions would be good? (Unity as in support each other and focus on common grounds) I think so personally. And the comment I took a screenshot of, I agree with, because both religions are trying to serve God. 

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I was working evening shift with a Muslim during Ramadan. He spoke Arabic and a little French. I spoke English and a little French. After lunch break the boss changed our job so I went looking for my mate. I found him in the cab of a locomotive praying. I knew nothing Islam, and we didn't talk Islam. We talked about God, His attributes, basic beliefs, how it applies, what it meant to us. We had no problem praying together. At one point I said, "Do you feel that?" and he answered, "It's a spirit from God come to be with us." which is what I felt as well. This spirit didn't seem to care one was Christian, one was Muslim, so I took that as a sign it's not about religion, it's about believers.

It wasn't until I came to ShiaChat that I learned how much we had to argue about.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

I was working evening shift with a Muslim during Ramadan. He spoke Arabic and a little French. I spoke English and a little French. After lunch break the boss changed our job so I went looking for my mate. I found him in the cab of a locomotive praying. I knew nothing Islam, and we didn't talk Islam. We talked about God, His attributes, basic beliefs, how it applies, what it meant to us. We had no problem praying together. At one point I said, "Do you feel that?" and he answered, "It's a spirit from God come to be with us." which is what I felt as well. This spirit didn't seem to care one was Christian, one was Muslim, so I took that as a sign it's not about religion, it's about believers.

It wasn't until I came to ShiaChat that I learned how much we had to argue about.

 

 

 

To me I always thought that all 3 Abrahamic  faiths believed in one God, but in different ways, but I feel like I’m today’s time there are a lot of anti-semitism & islamaphobia.

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52 minutes ago, Isaam said:

To me I always thought that all 3 Abrahamic  faiths believed in one God, but in different ways, but I feel like I’m today’s time there are a lot of anti-semitism & islamaphobia.

Religions are natural enemies. If you want unity, you need believers willing to put aside religion. 

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3 hours ago, Isaam said:

To me I always thought that all 3 Abrahamic  faiths believed in one God, but in different ways, but I feel like I’m today’s time there are a lot of anti-semitism & islamaphobia.

There is a difference between anti-Semitism which is both evil and for reasons irrational and Judaeophobia which is being strongly against the Religion of Rabbinic Judaism and maybe also Jewish culture. If you read the New Testament and take it seriously as a Christian I cannot see how you cannot be Judaeophobic but I similarly I cannot see how you could make Christianity compatible with anti-Semitism though I would accept that sometimes the line between the two becomes blurred. Similarly anti-Christianity and even anti-Christian sentiments are found all over important Rabbinic Jewish texts. The thing is though that now a days both Western Christians and Western Jews- in Palestine it is a different story and a much more complex one, Iran has a large Jewish community but I don't sadly know anything about it, I suspect though that it is a probably the most down to Earth and sane one in the world- want to forget about all this, at least most of the time, certainly the vast majority of Christians do (people like Bishop Richard Williamson are considered very much fringe eccentrics at best and dangerous psychos at best).

Islamophobia is something else again and for those of us who live in Europe whether Muslim or not it is going to be one if not the most important issues of this century. A lot of Jews have developed a psychological need for Islamophobia in order to justify the crimes of Zionist colonialism to themselves. Jewish Islamophobia did not exist before Zionism and it has to be said that the Social Darwinist racialism which was at the core of a lot of early Zionism was picked up from Europeans from historically Christian backgrounds even if they themselves were atheists or agnostics. With Western Christians Islamophobia is a lot more complex and it would take ages to try and fully explain it which I will not do here however I will make some observations on it as I witness it here in my own homeland. During the existence of the Soviet Bloc the ruling capitalist elites here found Christianity extremely useful as bulwark against Communism and Socialism however after the collapse of the USSR and the People's Democracies they quickly decided that it was more of a hindrance than a help to them and so began through their media a full front assault on Ireland's Christian heritage. Not long after the Berlin Wall fell we saw contraception suddenly being made freely available while as before you had to be married to get it legally and even than in parts of the country that was difficult, than followed the legalization of divorce which until than had been illegal which should show you how previously "authoritarian" we had been, than homosexual activity which now the state openly celebrates as some amazing virtue and last year we got to the point of legalizing abortion on the demand.

Because of our constitution there had to be a referendum before the laws on abortion were changed and the pro-abortion won this referendum by a landslide. This was completely crushing to the "Christian Conservatives" (as well as to a lot of what could be described as "Nationalists" though there are a lot of disputes about what that term involves here)- they had definitely lost all the culture wars and were especially defeated in a referendum on the issue most dear to their hearts. The entire political establishment and the media were openly denigrating and castigating them as backwards, cruel, stupid, embarrassing. It was at this point that I observed a lot of them start to become interested in Islam and not in an intelligent way of attempting to learn the lessons of Iranian revolution and Hezbollah to what of them could be applied to Ireland, tragically quite the reverse in fact. They started soaking up hysterical Islamophobic "fear porn" and talking about the threat posed by "Shariah" to "freedom"; now keep in mind we are talking about people who love to if they could  make contraception and divorce completely illegal. I could see straight away what they were doing, semi-consciously they saw "the threat of Islam" as offering them an opportunity to become useful again to at least elements within the ruling elites. 

Than there is the fact indigenous Western Europeans are terrified over the idea that they would be seen as racist and so attacking Islam is very often a way to complain about mass immigration without seeming racism.

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Shia, Christianity dialogue held in South Africa

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July 15, 2019 - 5:25 PM News Code : 961467 Source : IQNALink: 

Shia, Christianity dialogue held in South Africa

 

The first meeting in a series on dialogue between Shia Islam and Christianity was held in Johannesburg, South Africa, on Saturday. 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): The first meeting in a series on dialogue between Shia Islam and Christianity was held in Johannesburg, South Africa, on Saturday. 

Hojat-ol-Islam Seyed Abdullah Hosseini, head of the Islamic Center of Johannesburg who attended the meeting, told IQNA that the Fazl Rab Christian Institute organized the event. 

He said a Christian cleric attending the meeting in an address underlined the importance of dialogue between the two faiths and elaborated on strategies for dialogue. 

Hosseini noted that he also delivered a speech at the meeting featuring the issue of resurrection in view of Shia Islam. 

He said another meeting in the series is slated to be held next week at the Islamic Center of South Africa. 

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 Why Evangelicals Hate Muslims :An Evangelical Minister’s perspective

What does a catholic Nun thinks about themuslim Jesus? 

 

Ambassadors of faiths

 

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