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Shia Imam charged with sexual assault and arrested in Canada

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23 minutes ago, King said:

I've been to that mosque, honestly. 

That's really shocking. 

Edited by Ali~J

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As far as the details and the authenticity of the incident and charges have not verified yet about this news, only the person may be charged and not the school of thought if he belongs to.

There are many incidents in other countries of the world like Indo Pak, Middle East etc where such incidents or alike are reported and culprits are not from the school of thought allegedly presented above.

Many evidences for the above para no 2 can be shared but Shia do not like to spread the videos of the scandals and black mailing for other schools of thoughts or their followers in the manner adopted particularly by OP.

wasalam

Edited by Muslim2010

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:salam:

I am not a fan of Imam Haider at all and find him a very problematic person, but I do hope the allegations are false - especially since he is a popular speaker in the Indo-Pak community and because it is very easy to frame men in the #MeToo era. Unfortunately though, even if they are false and he is freed without conviction, his name will remain tarnished due to the media publicity for a long time to come.

Wasalam

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7 minutes ago, Ibn al-Hussain said:

Unfortunately though, even if they are false and he is freed without conviction, his name will remain tarnished due to the media publicity for a long time to come.

More like the women accusing him will be beaten by an angry mob. 

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A few things.  Of course nothing is proven in court yet, but generally speaking for things to evolve to charges and arrests means it is a pretty serious situation.  It is also important to get such news out there due the possibility of multiple victims.

Lastly, regardless of whether there is any truth to these allegations, it should still serve as a reminder that religious leaders/representatives that communities put on a pedestal are still normal people.  The potential for abuse of authority is enormous.  Proper checks and balances need to be in place and you shouldn't just believe your child/spouse or other dependents are always safe with esteemed figures in our communities.

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48 minutes ago, King said:

A few things.  Of course nothing is proven in court yet, but generally speaking for things to evolve to charges and arrests means it is a pretty serious situation.  It is also important to get such news out there due the possibility of multiple victims.

Do you find any particular reason to just share the video of the person  when even no news is mentioning the alleged one as Shia? Or it is necessary to blame the school of thought as per OP?

It is an exaggeration of the facts / allegations before the final investigation or any court decision etc.

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7 minutes ago, Muslim2010 said:

Do you find any particular reason to just share the video of the person  when even no news is mentioning the alleged one as Shia? Is it not an exaggeration of the facts before the final allegations or any court decision etc?

How is it an exaggeration of facts if it is fact? He is Shia and he was arrested, the media doesn't care because to them all Muslims are the same.  Also, what are final allegations? Allegations are allegations they are not final or not final. He is arrested and facing charges, that is pretty serious.  No one has mentioned he is guilty, but police in Canada don't just arrest people facing charges willy nilly.  

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One of the charges is threatening her life which is also very serious.  I agree that one should not be tried in the media but also, for charges to actually be laid in Canada they evidence would have to be very solid. I have worked in cases where it is seems obvious that there is an abuse situation and there is a disclosure made but one person's testimony is not enough as it comes to he-said she-said situation. The prosecutor needs solid evidence.  Probably recorded communications of some kind.  It is way too late to try and hide this.  CBC is not the National Enquirer and does not post stuff with which they could be charged with liable.. If he is guilty of this, there are probably other victims and they should not be discouraged from coming forward with the thought of protecting the greater good of the community as it is very much doing the opposite. It is really hard to come forward for victims as they have to go through lots of disbelief and personal attacks.  If he is innocent, let him be cleared and not left as a memory of someone running for the airport.

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If it is true, then he deserves to have the book thrown at him. But it is a bit peculiar that the alleged assault has been going on at her home for several years. There is definitely more to this story than we currently know, so we will have to watch it unfold.

This would be the second time this week that an “exorcist” is caught taking advantage of others. Very shady people.

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7 minutes ago, King said:

How is it an exaggeration of facts if it is fact? He is Shia and he was arrested, the media doesn't care because to them all Muslims are the same. 

OP mentions two  links of news not a single one mentions he is Shia but mention him as Imam with name,

But you are presenting one video attributed with his name and calling him as Shia. so you are found exaggerating the facts and making blame on particularity to Shia shcool of thought. It is a proven exaggeration.

Allegation are proven or not the matter to be resolved by law procedure no one doubt it it.

Edited by Muslim2010

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بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّـهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ
اور اللہ کی ر سّی کو مضبوطی سے پکڑے رہو اور آپس میں تفرقہ نہ پیدا کرو 

Hold Fast, All Together, to Allah’s Rope, And Do Not Be Divided

Salam Un Alailkum WRWB......

As we all are aware of the painful news & allegations on Moulana Imam Haider, its the time to be together & act with utmost sensibility.

Anti Religion and anti Islam elements are always in action to divide the believers, so as media industry.

I'd request to entire Shia Community to not to fall in the traps of enemies & stay united. 

ہو حلقۂ یاراں تو بریشم کی طرح نرم
رزمِ حق و باطل ہو تو فولاد ہے مومن

This is a difficult time & we can not afford to be divided on this issue. 

Most sincere prayers of entire community are with Moulana Imam Haider to get Him out of these unbelievable accusations.

By the Grace of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Canadian Judicial system would eventually find out the truth soon & Moulana would be out of this difficult time.

Please pray for the respectful end of current hardships on our community.

Was-Salam

@Muslim2010 

Okay dude, whatever floats your boat.

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3 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

OP mentions two  links of news not a single one mentions he is Shia but mention him as Imam with name,

But you are presenting one video attributed with his name and calling him as Shia. so you are found exaggerating the facts and making blame on particularity to Shia shcool of thought. It is a proven exaggeration.

Allegation are proven or not the matter to be resolved by law procedure no one doubt it it.

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6 minutes ago, Muslim2010 said:

Op mentions two  links of news not a single one mentions he is Shia but mention him as Imam with name,

But you are presenting one video attributed with his name and calling him as Shia. so you are found exaggerating the facts and making blame on particularity to Shia shcool of thought. It is a proven exaggeration.

I disagree.  It is important for the Shia community to know about this and not to hide it, in case there are people out there who have been afraid to come forward and need help.  The OP is posting this on a Shia forum not on a general forum.  

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