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The realities of the 12 Mahdi's after Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))

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Most shi'a do not study hadith and leave it to scholars to determine who is the Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) is or one of his successors or even the Yamani.

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Time of 12 Mehdis will come after Imam-e-Mehdi (عليه السلام), When Imam Al-Mehdi (عليه السلام) comes, he will define us about 12 Mehdis, I have read in Hadith books that in the time of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام), Rijah will occur and first one among them will be Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) and it is latter said that Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will recite the Janazeh Nimaz of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will reign till his eye brows fell on his cheeks. It is also said, Rasolallah and Imam Ali (عليه السلام) will also rule,  So, no one knows whether those 12 Mehdis are Prophet (PBUHHP) and eleven Imams or some other personalities. 

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17 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Most shi'a do not study hadith and leave it to scholars to determine who is the Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) is or one of his successors or even the Yamani.

Most layman Shias if they throw the scholars, they will surely end up to follow people like Ahmed Al Hassan.

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7 hours ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Time of 12 Mehdis will come after Imam-e-Mehdi (عليه السلام), When Imam Al-Mehdi (عليه السلام) comes, he will define us about 12 Mehdis, I have read in Hadith books that in the time of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام), Rijah will occur and first one among them will be Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) and it is latter said that Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will recite the Janazeh Nimaz of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will reign till his eye brows fell on his cheeks. It is also said, Rasolallah and Imam Ali (عليه السلام) will also rule,  So, no one knows whether those 12 Mehdis are Prophet (PBUHHP) and eleven Imams or some other personalities. 

Read my latest news posts on the "Authenticity of the will" thread about who TRULY comes after Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)). There are 100 of narrations saying the next Imams are from the offspring of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام). So how can Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) be from the offspring of Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))?

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6.Imam Jaafar (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:"O Allah be for your guardian,the one who rises with your matter Muhammad ibn Hassan, to his fathers peace and blessings in this hour and every hour,a patron,a protector,a leader,a victor,an evidence,and assistant,until you make him on Earth be supported and make him enjoy its height and breadth and make for him an offspring Imams that inherit” Bihar Al Anwar v.49 p.349

8.From the Prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)that he mentioned the Mahdi (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم),and what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will give him from the blessings and conquering by his hand.So it was asked O Messenger of Allah all of that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will gather for him?He said:Yes.And what hasn't occured during his lifetime and his days,it shall occur during the times of the Imams after him from his offspring"Sharh Al Akhbar v.2 p.39

Bihar AlAnwar by Sheikh AlMajlesy reporting from the books of the classical scholars"O Allah be for your guardian in creation, a guardian and protector and leader and victor until you make him settle on your Earth willingly and make him joyful for long and make him and his offspring within it Imams that inherit." Bihar AlAnwar v.86 p.333-339

31. From Muhammad son of Wahban from Abi Huraira about the saying of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم):"Whoever wants to live my life and die my death, let him follow Ali son of Abi Taleb and follow the way of the Imams after him, the number of Asbaat(grandsons of Jacob are 12)." The Imams are 12 from the children of Ali (عليه السلام). so their count in total are 13. Sirat AlMustaqeem-AlBayaathi v.2 p.114

32. Narrated from AlArbeeli in Kashf AlGumma:Narrated from Sadaqa son of Musa from his father from AlRitha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:"The righteous successor from the son of Abi Muhammad AlHasan son of Ali and he is Saheb AlZaman and he is the Mahdi" 

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7 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Most layman Shias if they throw the scholars, they will surely end up to follow people like Ahmed Al Hassan.

Asalamu alaykum, how are you
Present one negative thing you've heard about Ahmed al Hasan and I will destroy it with evidence by the will of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). I have done my research and have a hujjah to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

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1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

So how can Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) be from the offspring of Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))?

Salam from Prophet Muhammad (pbu) to last Imam (عليه السلام) all are Mahdis when it talks about offspring of Mahdi , talks from first Mahdi that is Prophet Muhmmad (pbu) & Imam hussain (عليه السلام) is son of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) based on narrations that both Sunni & Shia agreed on it.

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

6.Imam Jaafar (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:"O Allah be for your guardian,the one who rises with your matter Muhammad ibn Hassan, to his fathers peace and blessings in this hour and every hour,a patron,a protector,a leader,a victor,an evidence,and assistant,until you make him on Earth be supported and make him enjoy its height and breadth and make for him an offspring Imams that inherit” Bihar Al Anwar v.49 p.349

there is no objection that he will have a son that can be leader of people but they will have lesser position than all Imams that back to life in Raj'a & his sons will be their viziers as Imams like as position of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) or Imam Khamanei  that can be leader of nations under command of infallible Imams that will be among people 

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

31. From Muhammad son of Wahban from Abi Huraira about the saying of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم):"Whoever wants to live my life and die my death, let him follow Ali son of Abi Taleb and follow the way of the Imams after him, the number of Asbaat(grandsons of Jacob are 12)." The Imams are 12 from the children of Ali (عليه السلام). so their count in total are 13. Sirat AlMustaqeem-AlBayaathi v.2 p.114

this completely wrong hadith 7 has no value specially that comes from Abu Huraira that narrated based on Israelites 

 

 

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

Asalamu alaykum, how are you
Present one negative thing you've heard about Ahmed al Hasan and I will destroy it with evidence by the will of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). I have done my research and have a hujjah to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

really you take a hdith from Abu Huraira as hujjah :hahaha:

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

32. Narrated from AlArbeeli in Kashf AlGumma:Narrated from Sadaqa son of Musa from his father from AlRitha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:"The righteous successor from the son of Abi Muhammad AlHasan son of Ali and he is Saheb AlZaman and he is the Mahdi" 

this is also wrong because Imam Mahdi (aj) is from sons Imam Husaain (عليه السلام) anyway from mother side the wife of Imam sajjad (عليه السلام) was from daughters of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام)

Fātimah bint al-Hasan ibn ‘Alī (Arabicفاطمة بنت الـحسن بن علي‎) was a daughter of Hasan ibn ‘Alī and Umm Ishaq bint Talha.[1] She was married to ‘Alī ibn Husayn (fourth Twelver Imām), and became the mother of Muhammad al-Bāqir (fifth TwelverImām). Her kunya was Umm ‘Abd Allāh[2] and she was referred to as, "as-Siddīqa" ("the very truthful one") by ‘Alī ibn Husayn.[3] It has also been reported that her features were such, that no one in the family of Hasan ibn ‘Alī looked like her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimah_bint_Hasan

'Umar: The mother of Zayd and 'Umar was a maid

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Zayd_b._al-Imam_al-Sajjad_(a)

Lineage

Zayd is the son of 'Ali b. al-Husayn (a), the fourth Imam of Shi'a Muslims. His mother's name was stated differently: Jayda, Jayd, Haydan, and Hawra' are the most famous ones. She was a concubine, who was bought by al-Mukhtar al-Thaqafi; she was respected highly by al-Mukhtar that he gave her as a gift to Imam al-Sajjad (a). Imam al-Sajjad (a) had other children except Zayd; 'Ali, 'Umar, and Khadija, from her.[3]

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Zayd_b._al-Imam_al-Sajjad_(a)

 

 

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1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

Read my latest news posts on the "Authenticity of the will" thread about who TRULY comes after Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)). There are 100 of narrations saying the next Imams are from the offspring of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام). So how can Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) be from the offspring of Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))?

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6.Imam Jaafar (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:"O Allah be for your guardian,the one who rises with your matter Muhammad ibn Hassan, to his fathers peace and blessings in this hour and every hour,a patron,a protector,a leader,a victor,an evidence,and assistant,until you make him on Earth be supported and make him enjoy its height and breadth and make for him an offspring Imams that inherit” Bihar Al Anwar v.49 p.349

8.From the Prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)that he mentioned the Mahdi (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم),and what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will give him from the blessings and conquering by his hand.So it was asked O Messenger of Allah all of that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will gather for him?He said:Yes.And what hasn't occured during his lifetime and his days,it shall occur during the times of the Imams after him from his offspring"Sharh Al Akhbar v.2 p.39

Bihar AlAnwar by Sheikh AlMajlesy reporting from the books of the classical scholars"O Allah be for your guardian in creation, a guardian and protector and leader and victor until you make him settle on your Earth willingly and make him joyful for long and make him and his offspring within it Imams that inherit." Bihar AlAnwar v.86 p.333-339

31. From Muhammad son of Wahban from Abi Huraira about the saying of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم):"Whoever wants to live my life and die my death, let him follow Ali son of Abi Taleb and follow the way of the Imams after him, the number of Asbaat(grandsons of Jacob are 12)." The Imams are 12 from the children of Ali (عليه السلام). so their count in total are 13. Sirat AlMustaqeem-AlBayaathi v.2 p.114

32. Narrated from AlArbeeli in Kashf AlGumma:Narrated from Sadaqa son of Musa from his father from AlRitha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:"The righteous successor from the son of Abi Muhammad AlHasan son of Ali and he is Saheb AlZaman and he is the Mahdi" 

Thanks for sharing, I do not deny nor confirm about 12 Mehdis after Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) but it is a matter of discussion which would only be cleared by Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) himself, the knowledge which is widely accepted among us is of Imam Mehdi's (عليه السلام) arrival. When Imam comes he will explain to us what is to pass after him.

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@Ashvazdanghe Reply to 'Authenticity of the will", do you have a reply to that brother?

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam from Prophet Muhammad (pbu) to last Imam (عليه السلام) all are Mahdis when it talks about offspring of Mahdi , talks from first Mahdi that is Prophet Muhmmad (pbu) & Imam hussain (عليه السلام) is son of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) based on narrations that both Sunni & Shia agreed on it.

2 hours ago, aaljibar said:
1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

there is no objection that he will have a son that can be leader of people but they will have lesser position than all Imams that back to life in Raj'a & his sons will be their viziers as Imams like as position of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) or Imam Khamanei  that can be leader of nations under command of infallible Imams that will be among people 

2 hours ago, aaljibar said:

You are correct that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a and the 12 Imams (عليه السلام) are called Mahdi's and some of the sons of Imam al Mahdi could will be viziers as we can see from this family tree that Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) has other grand sons. Also according to this sayed. 

 

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However, there is evidence that one of his sons will be a infallible Imam according to this following mutawatir hadith (This means it's frequently narrated and it's authenticity cannot be doubted). 

From Jabbir son of Abdullah AlAnsary he said:I entered to Fatima (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and between her hands is a tablet that contained the names of the executors from her children so she counted 12, the last of them is the Riser (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) 3 of them is Muhammad and 3 of them is Ali (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). AlKafi v.1 p.532 h.9 

Note: From the children of Fatimah al-Zahra' and Imam Ali!!!

Further, these ahadith are reliable evidence

78.Jesus (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:Ahmed the Prophet is the seal and inheritor who will be prayed upon while he is alive..(until he says)..his knowing son whom Allah will send in the end times after when the handhold of religion is destroyed and the beacons of the Namoos are dimmed and its stars have disappeared. So this righteous servant will not remain except after nations until religion returns like how it started and Allah the Exalted will establish firmly His kingdom through His servant (Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام)) and then through the righteous ones from his offspring and will be spread from him until his kingdom reaches where the soil ends". Bihar AlAnwar v.21 p.286-309 
 
So this proves that the righteous servant who is Imam AlMahdi (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) will have an offspring and will rule a kingdom of God which is meant to have Divine state of justice. Who can rule a kingdom of God with a divine state of justice with a mere fallible such as persons like Imam Khomeini or Imam Khamane'I. Do you really think a fallible can handle running a kingdom of God?

Further, more ahadith that prove that Imam al Mahdi will have a son that will be a Mahdi.

76. Fathel Ibn Shathan(Thiqa) from Muamar son of Khalad(Thiqa by Nasjashi in his rijal p.421) from Abi AlHasan (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:"As if I were to see banners from Egypt approaching,painted in green. Until the Shaamaat(banners from Levant) will come and pass it to the son of the owner of the wills" Irshad-Sheikh AlMufeed v.2 p.376 
 
The first question we should ask after reading this hadeeth is who exactly is the owner of the wills? We will read these hadeeths first to understand what owner of the wills means according to Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام). 
 
From Darast son of Abi Mansoor, he asked Aba AlHasan the first (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم):(Was the Messenger of Allah Mahjooj(used as a proof)by Abi Taleb?So he said: No, but he was a safekeeper of the wills so he passed it to him pbuhap. So he said to him:So he passed the wills to him by which he is a proof from him? So he said: If he was a proof from him he wouldn't have passed the will to him. So I said: So what was the case with Abi Taleb?He said: He accepted the Prophet and what has come to him and passed the wills to him and died in his day.)Kafi v.1 p.445 
 
The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was a safekeeper of the wills and is an Imam of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) who inherited the wills from the Prophets and Messengers before him. 
 
From the Prince of the believers (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:The Messenger of Allah pbuhap taught me 1000 doors of Halal and Haram and what happened before and what is to come until the day of judgement. Every day he opens 1000 doors, and that is 1000 1000 doors until I knew the Manaya(meaning the times of deaths of the people)Balaya(the trials of the people) and the wills and Fasel AlKhitab(sound judgment in speech). Basaer AlDarajat p.325 
 
So Imam Ali (عليه السلام). was taught about the wills from the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) now in this next hadeeth: 
 
In the most recent letters of the Prince of the believers (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to Muawya l.a:"Do you want other than Allah to be your Lord O Muawya, or a different book of his as a book?...or a different rule that you want to rule by or a different Mustahfeth(preserver)from us you want as an Imam? The Imamate is toIbraheem and his offspring and the believers are followers of them..."Misbaah AlBalaagha Mustadrak Nahj AlBalagha Mirjahani v.4 p.68 Bihar Al Anwar v.33 p.138 
 
Imam Ali (عليه السلام). clearly describes the Imam to be a Mustahfeth(a preserver) and that its in Ibraheem (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and his offspring and the believers are followers of these Imams. 
 
And the Prince of the believers (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:"I have been given 6. The knowledge of the Manaya and AlBalaya and the wills and the sound judgement in speech. And I am the man of the rounds and the nation of the nations and I am the man of the staff and the cautery and the Beast that speaks to the people" Kafi v.1 p.197 -198 
 
Imam Ali (عليه السلام). knows the knowledge of the wills because he is a Mustahefeth(a preserver)of the wills. Every Imam is a preserver of the wills and for example Imam Zain Al Abideen (عليه السلام). was also labeled as such. 
 
And from the labels to Zain Al Abideen (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم):"Executor of the executors and the one who stores the wills of the Messengers" Bihar AlAnwar v.46 p.4 
 
So the Imams have the knowledge of the wills and they are the Mustahfithoon(preservers) and the ones who safe keep the wills. And that is why we see Imam Al Mahdi (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) described by the Messenger Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) in his will to be"The preserver of the family of Muhammad" 
 
Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)"And if death reaches him(Imam Hasan AlAskari (عليه السلام).) let him pass it to his son Muhammad AlMustahfeth(the preserver)of the family of Muhammad " Gaibat AlToosi p.151 
 
So Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام). is entitled with this special description "the preserver of the family of Muhammad" meaning that he is the owner of the wills as we proved before that the Imam is a preserver and safekeeper of the wills. 
 
Imam Al Saadiq (عليه السلام). said"And the preserver with what he was stored with he will spread it with justice and tranquility after when the evil doers filled it with unjustice and oppression" Bihar AlAnwar v.25 p.269 
 
So the preserver, safekeeper of the wills is Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام). because he is the one stored with the wills. And so we ask who is the son of the owner of the wills in the following hadith
 
Fathel Ibn Shathan(Thiqa) from Muamar son of Khalad(Thiqa by Nasjashi in his rijal p.421) from Abi AlHasan (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:"As if I were to see banners from Egypt approaching,painted in green. Until the Shaamaat will come and pass it to the son of the owner of the wills" Irshad-Sheikh AlMufeed v.2 p.376 
 
The man of the owner of the wills is Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام). as he was called the Preserver of the family of Muhammad in the Prophet's will. 
 
So the son of the owner of the wills is Ahmed the first Mahdi who is the son of Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام).. 

The Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him and his family) said to Ali Ibn Abi Taleb during the night of his death: "O Father of Al Hassan, bring me a paper and a utensil", and he dictated his will until he came to a position where he said "O Ali, there will be twelve Imams and after them there will be twelve Mahdi's. You, O 
Ali, are the first of the twelve Imams, God has named you in his heavens Ali Al Mortada,The Prince of the believers, Grand truthful, the bright Farouq (Judge and differentiating between true and false), the trusted, and the Mahdi (rightly guided). These names may not be truly attributed to other than you. O Ali, you are my guardian on my own family, their living and their dead. My women, whom you maintain shall find me tomorrow, and whom you reject I am acquitted of her. I will not see her and she will not see me on the day of resurrection, and you are the successor (Khalifa) on my nation after me. If the day of death comes to you, hand it over to my son Hassan the very beneficial. Then if the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to my son Al Hussein, the Martyr, the Pure and the Assassinated. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, the master of the servants and worshipers Ali.If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohammed Al Baqir.If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Jaâfar Al Sadiq (the honest).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Moussa Al Kadhim (The Patient).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Ali Al Reda.If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohammed Al Thiqa (The Trustworthy).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Ali Al Nasih (The Advisor). If the day death of comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Al Hassan Al Fadil. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohammed the Preserver of the Holy Family of Mohammed Peace be upon them all. These are the twelve Imams. Then there will be twelve Mahdi's after them. then when Allah receiveth him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my Father's: Abdollah (Servant of God), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (the guided) and he is the first Believer" 
 
Gaibat AlToosi p.150-151
 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 this completely wrong hadith 7 has no value specially that comes from Abu Huraira that narrated based on Israelites 

 

So Abu Hurraria So he narrated 10,000's of ahadith and all of them were fabricated? The content of the hadith matches authentic narrations from Imams (عليه السلام) such as that hadith that has the tablet of Fatima (عليه السلام)

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

this is also wrong because Imam Mahdi (aj) is from sons Imam Husaain (عليه السلام) anyway from mother side the wife of Imam sajjad (عليه السلام) was from daughters of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام)

 

Can you pleas be more clear in what you're trying to say here?

Narrated from AlArbeeli in Kashf AlGumma:Narrated from Sadaqa son of Musa from his father from AlRitha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) he said:"The righteous successor from the son of Abi Muhammad AlHasan son of Ali and he is Saheb AlZaman and he is the Mahdi" 

Abu Muhammad AlHasan son of Ali is AlAskari (عليه السلام). And he doesn't have a son except Imam Al Mahdi (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), and the righteous successor from Imam al Mahdi's children must be from his offspring and that is Ahmed mentioned in the will of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a.

Kashf AlGumma Ibn Abi AlFateh AlArbeeli v.3 p.275 693 A.H
Bihar AlAnwar AlMajlesy v.51 p.43
AlTostari Ihqaq AlHaq v.13 p.8


 


 

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33 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Thanks for sharing, I do not deny nor confirm about 12 Mehdis after Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) but it is a matter of discussion which would only be cleared by Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) himself, the knowledge which is widely accepted among us is of Imam Mehdi's (عليه السلام) arrival. When Imam comes he will explain to us what is to pass after him.

Do you think it's a matter of discussion only cleared by Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) and that we should wait for him?. The Yamani is under direct command from Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) and hence ignoring the Yamani would be disobeying Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)). Imam AlBaqer (عليه السلام). said:"If the Yamani emerged stand up to him for his banner is the banner of guidance....whoever turns away from him is from the people of hell, because he calls to the truth and to a path that is straight".And Imam AlBaqer (عليه السلام). said In the book Mutakhab Al-Anwar Al Muthee'a pg 343.:"There is no banner more guided than the banner of the Yamani

So whoever does not  pledge allegience to the Yamani before the reappearance of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) would be from the people of hell according to Imam al Baqr (عليه السلام).

" And further, Imam al Sadiq ((عليه السلام)): "As-Sufyani, there is no escape from him and he will not emerge except in Rajab". And a companion said to him: "Oh Aba Abdullah, if he emerges, what is our situation?" Imam al Sadiq ((عليه السلام)): If it was that (the emergence of Sufyani), turn to us."

Note: When Imam al Sadiq (عليه السلام) tells the people to "turn to us", what does he mean? That means there must be someone from the Ahlul Bayt that we can turn to. The only person with a guiding banner available during the emergence of the sufyani is the yamani. This means the following of the Yamani is wajib (obligatory).

So now we would be directly disobeying Imam al Baqr (عليه السلام), Imam al Sadiq (عليه السلام) and Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) if we would just wait for Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) and ignore the Yamani.

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فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ

بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ

“And we did not send any Apostle before you (O’ Muhammad) except that they too were but (mortal) men to whom We granted inspiration: if you realize this not ask of those who possess the Message. (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of prophecies; and We have sent down unto you (also) the Message; that you may explain clearly to men what is sent for them so that maybe they make ponder upon this.”

 

وَمَا كَانَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لِيَنْفِرُوا كَافَّةً ۚ فَلَوْلَا نَفَرَ مِنْ كُلِّ فِرْقَةٍ مِنْهُمْ طَائِفَةٌ لِيَتَفَقَّهُوا فِي الدِّينِ وَلِيُنْذِرُوا قَوْمَهُمْ إِذَا رَجَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَحْذَرُونَ

“It is not right that the true believers in Islam all go forth (to the battle field to fight a defensive battle) – rather, why does not a group from amongst them go forth to become specialists in religious learning (develop Tafaqquh in the Din) and after completing their studies, return back to their own community and warn them (so that they will have fear of Allah)?”

قال الإمام الحجة القائم (عجل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف). أما الحوادث الواقعة فارجعوا فيها 

إلى رواة حديثنا فإنهم حجتي عليكم و أنا حجة الله 

Imam Al-Hujjah Al-Qa`im (may Allah hasten his return) has said: “As for those events that will occur in the future, (for the answer on how to deal with them), refer to those people who narrate our sayings (Ahadith) since surely they (the ‘Ulama) are my proof over you and I am the proof of Allah

This is proof from the holy Qur'an and also ahadiths that explain about Taqleed and following marja3. This is also in reply to your other thread but now I am on this thread and I’m not bothered to go back to the other one bc it’s too long

Anyway, I’m assuming you have another interpretation for these quranic verses and ahadith.

Is it now also forbidden to listen to maraji3 lectures? Because Ahmad al Hassan said it is shirk to blindly follow a scholar, and since shirk is a big sin I’d assume that even listening to one could be haram according to his assumptions. 

That’s like saying it was wrong for ayatollah Sistani, May Allah prolong his life, to make a fatwa stating that it is permissible to fight against dae3sh for the sake of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). If it weren’t for that fatwa he made then Iraq would have almost been completely destroyed. When he issued that fatwa, they began fighting and now they only remain around the borders. Are you going to say that it was now wrong that he made a fatwa that saved Iraq? 

also please explain the fact that the yamani is apparently out now, what about the khorasani and the sufyani? Where are they now? Bc there’s a narration which says that they’ll come in the same year, same month, same day. But according to his followers, he only announced him being here but hasn’t actually appeared. Technically if he states that he is out there telling people that he’s the yamani, that basically means he has already appeared, but is obviously hiding. Heck there’s even rumours he’s in Australia like ..?

 

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1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

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However, there is evidence that one of his sons will be a infallible Imam according to this following mutawatir hadith (This means it's frequently narrated and it's authenticity cannot be doubted). 

this is just good for childish minds not people have a little of wisdom most of these tribe leaders also approves ISIS & Al-Baghdai as they approves Al-Hasan in this painting  :hahaha: so it's don't prove anything  

 

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

So this proves that the righteous servant who is Imam AlMahdi (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) will have an offspring and will rule a kingdom of God which is meant to have Divine state of justice. Who can rule a kingdom of God with a divine state of justice with a mere fallible such as persons like Imam Khomeini or Imam Khamane'I. Do you really think a fallible can handle running a kingdom of God?

Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) didn't & Imam Khameni dosen't rule a kingdom of Allah & they clearly announced that they are just safe keepers until advent of Imam Mahdi (aj) also they don't ask allegiance from people also many of people that do Raj'a like as Salman the Persian (رضي الله عنه) or Muslim ibn Aqeel (رضي الله عنه) or Malik Ashtar (رضي الله عنه) are from fallible that will rule on kingdome of Allah under supervision of Imam Mahdi (aj) 

 

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

So the son of the owner of the wills is Ahmed the first Mahdi who is the son of Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام).. 

you bring all information to prove a wrong man 

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

So Abu Hurraria So he narrated 10,000's of ahadith and all of them were fabricated? The content of the hadith matches authentic narrations from Imams (عليه السلام) such as that hadith that has the tablet of Fatima (عليه السلام)

 

total number of narration doesn't prove that he is righteous only few hadiths with some conditions are acceptable from him also vast number of his hadiths comes from israelits that he also added his lies to these hadiths  ,his hadiths only good for debating with suunis that praise him more than anyone not a Shia  that knows he was a great liar 7 fabricated many hadiths that only few true hadiths can be find from his hadiths 

1 hour ago, aaljibar said:

and the righteous successor from Imam al Mahdi's children must be from his offspring and that is Ahmed mentioned in the will of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a.

this is your conclusion also between childern of all Imams there was few ones that derivated from true path so for children of Imam Mahdi (aj) there is no exception like as son of Prophet Noah (عليه السلام) also Al-Hasan is a fraud that has no connection to Imam Mahdi (aj) except the childlike drawing tree that you posted , his only differnce with al-Baghdai is that he claimed it between Shias but both of them are agents of Zionists & agents of Sufyani (la)

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Please read the reply in the other thread "The authenticity of the will of the Prophet?" for the presented explanation of the hadeeth of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) and this verse 

فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ. 

7 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

 

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ

 بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ

 “And we did not send any Apostle before you (O’ Muhammad) except that they too were but (mortal) men to whom We granted inspiration: if you realize this not ask of those who possess the Message. (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of prophecies; and We have sent down unto you (also) the Message; that you may explain clearly to men what is sent for them so that maybe they make ponder upon this.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbSwHauPWCw&t=800s. Check this explanation out. Not saying it's correct or wrong

 

7 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Heck there’s even rumours he’s in Australia like ..?

He moves but most likely Najaf
7 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Are you going to say that it was now wrong that he made a fatwa that saved Iraq?

I didn't say it's wrong. The first 3 caliphs tried to spread Islam after the Prophets (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a death. It doesn't mean we must accept them as our leaders.

7 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

وَمَا كَانَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لِيَنْفِرُوا كَافَّةً ۚ فَلَوْلَا نَفَرَ مِنْ كُلِّ فِرْقَةٍ مِنْهُمْ طَائِفَةٌ لِيَتَفَقَّهُوا فِي الدِّينِ وَلِيُنْذِرُوا قَوْمَهُمْ إِذَا رَجَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَحْذَرُونَ

“It is not right that the true believers in Islam all go forth (to the battle field to fight a defensive battle) – rather, why does not a group from amongst them go forth to become specialists in religious learning (develop Tafaqquh in the Din) and after completing their studies, return back to their own community and warn them (so that they will have fear of Allah)?”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbSwHauPWCw&t=144s. Check this explanation out. Not saying it's correct or wrong

 

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

this is just good for childish minds not people have a little of wisdom most of these tribe leaders also approves ISIS & Al-Baghdai as they approves Al-Hasan in this painting  :hahaha: so it's don't prove anything  

 

 

I agree, this picture isn't a good proof for someone who's just learning. Check out that video of the sayed who doesn't believe in this claimant of the Yamani.

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) didn't & Imam Khameni dosen't rule a kingdom of Allah & they clearly announced that they are just safe keepers until advent of Imam Mahdi (aj) also they don't ask allegiance from people also many of people that do Raj'a like as Salman the Persian (رضي الله عنه) or Muslim ibn Aqeel (رضي الله عنه) or Malik Ashtar (رضي الله عنه) are from fallible that will rule on kingdome of Allah under supervision of Imam Mahdi (aj) 

 

The companions won't be main rulers, they are sub-rulers as they are under supervision by Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام), as exactly what you said. The 12 Mahdi's after Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) passing will be the main rulers so they must be infallible. The raj'a of the 12 Imams happens after the 12 Mahdi's according to the 'Ansars of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام)' and the will of the Prophet and numerous ahadith I've outlined before.

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

you bring all information to prove a wrong man 

7 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Explain why with references instead of just a statement habibi @Ashvazdanghe I'm trying to learn more about him as well. May Allah bless your parents.

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

total number of narration doesn't prove that he is righteous only few hadiths with some conditions are acceptable from him also vast number of his hadiths comes from israelits that he also added his lies to these hadiths  ,his hadiths only good for debating with suunis that praise him more than anyone not a Shia  that knows he was a great liar 7 fabricated many hadiths that only few true hadiths can be find from his hadiths 

7 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Ok then don't accept that particular narration insha'Allah. At least accept the other numerous amounts of narrations which speak about Imam al Mahdi a.shaving an offspring that rule the kingdom of God as his successor.

 

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

this is your conclusion also between childern of all Imams there was few ones that derivated from true path so for children of Imam Mahdi (aj) there is no exception like as son of Prophet Noah (عليه السلام) also Al-Hasan is a fraud that has no connection to Imam Mahdi (aj) except the childlike drawing tree that you posted , his only differnce with al-Baghdai is that he claimed it between Shias but both of them are agents of Zionists & agents of Sufyani (la)

Brother, stop making conjectures such as 'deviated son', 'agent of sufyani' that have no value and be academic with references. What if he actually is a hujjah of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). What evidence in front of Allah do you have for saying these things about him.

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14 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Note: When Imam al Sadiq (عليه السلام) tells the people to "turn to us", what does he mean? That means there must be someone from the Ahlul Bayt that we can turn to. The only person with a guiding banner available during the emergence of the sufyani is the yamani. This means the following of the Yamani is wajib (obligatory).

So now we would be directly disobeying Imam al Baqr (عليه السلام), Imam al Sadiq (عليه السلام) and Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) if we would just wait for Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) and ignore the Yamani.

Who is yamani ? 

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16 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

really you take a hdith from Abu Huraira as hujjah :hahaha:

16 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Once upon a time a person came to Abu Huraira and said: " I have bought onions and I am having trouble selling it, could you help me ?" Abu Huraira said: "Come at the end of prayer".

When prayer ended, he said to people: "O! people, wait and listen from me a valuable hadith. I listened Prophet said: "Whoever will eat onion from the area that outside person has brought will enter in Jannah directly". And hence Abu Huraira's trick become famous both in yellow journalism and Business tricks.

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

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7 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Explain why with references instead of just a statement habibi @Ashvazdanghe I'm trying to learn more about him as well. May Allah bless your parents.

13 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

You present to us about your proof, you are one who is claiming, I asked you four questions:

1. Show any Hadith which Proves that Al-Yamani is called as son of Imam Mehdi.

2. Show in any Hadith that Al-Yamanis name is Ahmed.

3. Show in any Hadith which says that Al-Yamani will live after Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and will not die before him and will rule after him.

4. And show any Hadith which says that Imam Mehdi's son will appear before him.

 

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1 hour ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Once upon a time a person came to Abu Huraira and said: " I have bought onions and I am having trouble selling it, could you help me ?" Abu Huraira said: "Come at the end of prayer".

When prayer ended, he said to people: "O! people, wait and listen from me a valuable hadith. I listened Prophet said: "Whoever will eat onion from the area that outside person has brought will enter in Jannah directly". And hence Abu Huraira's trick become famous both in yellow journalism and Business tricks.

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Is this real?

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2 hours ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Who is yamani ? 

The person who comes before Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام)

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I think we have discussed enough on this subject of Yamani and Ahmed al Hasan not only on this portal but on several places. 

There is no doubt that this man is nothing more than Imposter. There are also information in several hadiths that false Mehdi will come before the True one. 

Yamani will rise along with Khorasani and Sufyani like beads of rosary in Rajab according to narrations on this subject so where are other two namely Khorasani and Sufyani?

Their rising time is Rajab according to narrations in majority of hadith books, kindly enlighten us when this man stood up? 

Yamani will rise against oppression and will call towards guidance, he will fight against oppressive regime/s, how many wars had been fought by this man and his follower?

After the rise of Yamani, Khorasani and Sufyani in the month of Rajab, Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) will rise in month of Moharram. 

This man is liar and imposter and I don't believe in this man. There is no logic in accepting him as Yamani. 

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15 hours ago, aaljibar said:

I didn't say it's wrong. The first 3 caliphs tried to spread Islam after the Prophets (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a death. It doesn't mean we must accept them as our leaders.

you are mixing & mistaking people that were enemies of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) wit people that are safeguarding the right of Ahlul Bayt the main goal of fake Yamani the al-Hasan guy from opposing Marjas & scholars was to let ISIS/Daesh attack & take all of Iraq while people were in internal war between themselves to follow a marja or Not so it's obvious that al-Hasan was agaent of Zionism & Sufyani (la) 

15 hours ago, aaljibar said:

The raj'a of the 12 Imams happens after the 12 Mahdi's according to the 'Ansars of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام)' and the will of the Prophet and numerous ahadith I've outlined before.

it's their false assumption to stand against any Imam even they deny returning of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) after reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) because they say every Imam must return after 12 sons of Imam Mahdi (aj) that they call their leader as one of them , all of their refernces to such hadiths based on editing & forging Hadiths in their favor the mentioning to sons of Imam Mahdi (aj) comes from weak hadiths like as Hadith of will of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) that comes from from very weak Hadiths 

 

15 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Brother, stop making conjectures such as 'deviated son', 'agent of sufyani' that have no value and be academic with references. What if he actually is a hujjah of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). What evidence in front of Allah do you have for saying these things about him.

:hahaha: Hujjah of Allah  (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) clearly described in Shia Hadiths & he doesn't have at least one of these attributes , your problem is that you don't know or read the history even during time of Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) many people around him calimed same things like al-Hasan but at the end all of them exposed as frauds even know in Iran & Pakistan even in Yemen between Houthis we have same frauds that are claiming that they are Yamani or Mahdi why you don't follow them !?

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6 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

you are mixing & mistaking people that were enemies of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) wit people that are safeguarding the right of Ahlul Bayt the main goal of fake Yamani the al-Hasan guy from opposing Marjas & scholars was to let ISIS/Daesh attack & take all of Iraq while people were in internal war between themselves to follow a marja or Not so it's obvious that al-Hasan was agaent of Zionism & Sufyani (la) 

brother @Ashvazdanghe you are 100% right...

I do support your view on this.. They are Zionist slaves and agents who are attacking Islam on the name of Islam. they are no more different that Baghdadi and Osama. Shame on these imposters. 

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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

it's their false assumption to stand against any Imam even they deny returning of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) after reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) because they say every Imam must return after 12 sons of Imam Mahdi (aj) that they call their leader as one of them , all of their refernces to such hadiths based on editing & forging Hadiths in their favor the mentioning to sons of Imam Mahdi (aj) comes from weak hadiths like as Hadith of will of Prophet Muhammad (pbu) that comes from from very weak Hadiths 

 

1.You are calling the will a "very weak hadith" and Sheikh al Tusi (Allah raise his position) is calling the will mutawatir (strongest authenticity)?

2. Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) didn't leave a will available for the Shi'as to look up and reference when it is said to be a duty for the God fearing in the Qur'an. According to the following verse.

“It is prescribed for you, when death approaches any of you, if he leaves goodness, that he makes a bequest (legacy) to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable manners. (This is) a duty upon Al-Muttaqoon (the pious)”[al-Baqarah 2:180] 

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

you are mixing & mistaking people that were enemies of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) wit people that are safeguarding the right of Ahlul Bayt the main goal of fake Yamani the al-Hasan guy from opposing Marjas & scholars was to let ISIS/Daesh attack & take all of Iraq while people were in internal war between themselves to follow a marja or Not so it's obvious that al-Hasan was agaent of Zionism & Sufyani (la) 

21 hours ago, aaljibar said:

I was making a point that if someone does something correct, it doesn't make him always correct. This logic and argument is the same argument that is used to defend the first 3 people who took khalifa.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

:hahaha: Hujjah of Allah  (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) clearly described in Shia Hadiths & he doesn't have at least one of these attributes , your problem is that you don't know or read the history even during time of Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) many people around him calimed same things like al-Hasan but at the end all of them exposed as frauds even know in Iran & Pakistan even in Yemen between Houthis we have same frauds that are claiming that they are Yamani or Mahdi why you don't follow them !?

Those people claimed many things and then they died shortly afterwards because they didn't have 3 of the following things altogether; the divine will, divine knowledge and calling towards the supremacy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

According to Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: Do not follow a man at all until you see a man from the children of Hussain, with him is the Will of the Prophet of Allah, his banner and weapon

Bihar Al Anwar. Abi Yafoor asked Imam Al Ridha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Is the weapon separated from knowledge? He(Imam) said: No. Kafi volume 1 page 238

 
 

 

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5 hours ago, haidermpr said:

There is no doubt that this man is nothing more than Imposter. There are also information in several hadiths that false Mehdi will come before the True one. 

 

Show me one hadith that applies to Ahmed al Hasan and bring evidence that it does.

I have already addressed the claim of dajjal from dijlat of Basrah in the "Authenticity of the will thread" and that it is not him at all but another person called Hayder Im[Edited Out]at.

5 hours ago, haidermpr said:

 Yamani will rise along with Khorasani and Sufyani like beads of rosary in Rajab according to narrations on this subject so where are other two namely Khorasani and Sufyani?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFUprfBX9VQ&t=368s @Ashvazdanghe

There are two ways to answer this question;

1. using logic and reason 2. looking at other ahadith concerning the subject to know what's going on

 Logic and reason

How can the Yamani gather all his followers all in 1 day when Prophet Mohammed (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a himself took approximately 13 years to gather approximately 313 Muslims for the battle of Badr? This means they must have an appearance before hand in order to have people pledge allegiance to him. This is supported by ahadith by Imam AlBaqer (عليه السلام). said:"If the Yamani emerged stand up to him for his banner is the banner of guidance....whoever turns away from him is from the people of hell, because he calls to the truth and to a path that is straight".And Imam AlBaqer (عليه السلام). said In the book Mutakhab Al-Anwar Al Muthee'a pg 343.:"There is no banner more guided than the banner of the Yamani.

Further proof is this hadith by Imam Ja'far al Sadiq (عليه السلام): Before the sufyani is an Egyptian and a Yamani. Bihar al Anwar volume 52. Page 210

Check the attached video out.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Yamani or Mahdi why you don't follow them !?

Because they have been refuted properly if you are talking about 'Mohammed Nasser' rather than Ahmed Al Hasan who is just called 'agent of sufyani/zionist' for no reason rather than misconceptions. Read more about him.

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16 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Is this real?

Yes, and there are many like it. Once Abu Huraira narrated to have said: "Prophet (PBUHHP ) Said that women and horse are bad omen". When this news reached to Hazrat Ayesha (رضي الله عنه), she said that Wallahi Abu Huraira is a liar, he heard final words of Hadith while he did not hear first words in which Prophets (PBUHHP) said: "Jews say that women and horse are bad omen". 

:shifty: what we do with this man ? 

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On 6/19/2019 at 9:53 PM, aaljibar said:

I didn't say it's wrong. The first 3 caliphs tried to spread Islam after the Prophets (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a death. It doesn't mean we must accept them as our leaders.

Are you comparing the maraji3 to the first three caliphs? They were ignorant, and turned their backs away from Rasullulah(swas) and his Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام). Thats such a weak point

On 6/19/2019 at 9:53 PM, aaljibar said:

Check this explanation out. Not saying it's correct or wrong

 

alright I watched the whole video. I can't say he's wrong bc he has more knowledge than me, although alot of sheikhs are ignorant, however this sheikh gives valid points about the different interpretations of the Holy Qur'an and not just one that doesn't support Taqleed, so im not saying im refuting with what hes saying

 

 

On 6/19/2019 at 10:09 PM, aaljibar said:

Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) didn't & Imam Khameni dosen't rule a kingdom of Allah & they clearly announced that they are just safe keepers until advent of Imam Mahdi (aj) also they don't ask allegiance from people also many of people that do Raj'a like as Salman the Persian (رضي الله عنه) or Muslim ibn Aqeel (رضي الله عنه) or Malik Ashtar (رضي الله عنه) are from fallible that will rule on kingdome of Allah under supervision of Imam Mahdi (aj) 

 

@Ashvazdanghe this is the first time im hearing this, brother could you please provide me narrations about it? Apparently even Imam Hussein (عليه السلام) will come back or something.

 

Another thing I'd like to add, how do you consider every single hadith out there to be sahih? There's even a lot of Shia hadiths that are weak, how are you certain that every single hadith you picked out is deemed to be authentic?

 

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7 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Are you comparing the maraji3 to the first three caliphs? They were ignorant, and turned their backs away from Rasullulah(swas) and his Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام). Thats such a weak point

On 6/19/2019 at 9:53 PM, aaljibar said:

the point was just because someone does something correct/good, doesn't make someone always correct/good. such as the fatwa against isis

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8 hours ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Ok, so do you know who is Al yamani ?

someone called ahmed al Hassan is claiming to be the yamani so do your research and see if it's him

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On 6/20/2019 at 5:16 AM, Flying_Eagle said:

1. Show any Hadith which Proves that Al-Yamani is called as son of Imam Mehdi.

2. Show in any Hadith that Al-Yamanis name is Ahmed.

3. Show in any Hadith which says that Al-Yamani will live after Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and will not die before him and will rule after him.

4. And show any Hadith which says that Imam Mehdi's son will appear before him.

1. I'll get back to you

2. Right after you show me a hadith of the khurasani's name and sufyani's name

3. Sharh Ahqaq AlHaq section 29 P.62 "And against the sufyani from the people of the east, a successor of Al Mahdi and he shall defeat the Sufyani in Sham (Syria). " And In the footnotes, Sheikh Al Tabarasi states in the footnotes that there is no description that the yemeni comes from Yemen. al-Sadiq or Baqr has said, "[a]fter the numerous wars and failures, he will crush on Sufyani and kill him
 
4. I'll get back to you
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On 6/20/2019 at 5:16 AM, Flying_Eagle said:

You present to us about your proof, you are one who is claiming, I asked you four questions:

1. Show any Hadith which Proves that Al-Yamani is called as son of Imam Mehdi.

2. Show in any Hadith that Al-Yamanis name is Ahmed.

3. Show in any Hadith which says that Al-Yamani will live after Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and will not die before him and will rule after him.

4. And show any Hadith which says that Imam Mehdi's son will appear before him.

 

@Ashvazdanghe @haidermpr

1 & 4.Narrated from Abu Baseer, from Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), he said: "O Aba Muhammad, the nation of Muhammad prayers of Allah be upon him and progeny will not see any relief at all as long as there is a kingdom from the children of such and such. When their kingdom is gone, Allah will make available for the nation of Muhammad prayers of Allah be upon him and his progeny, a man who is from us Ahlul Bayt, he walks with piety and works with guidance and doesn't take any bribery in HIS RULING. By Allah I know his name and the name of his father! And then the one with middle height will arrive, the one with a mole and two birthmarks. The preserver of what he owns. He will spread it(the Earth) with justice and tranquility after the oppressors have filled with oppression and injustice ." Bihar Al Anwar.volume 52 page 269

This person who rules before Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) arrives is the Yamani (عليه السلام). Further, 

Suleim Ibn Qais AlHilaly from Salman AlFarisy in a long narration from the Messenger of
Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).w said:"My brother Ali is the best of my nation and Hamza and Jaafar both of
them are the best of my nation after Ali and after you and after my two sons AlHasan and
AlHussain and after my executors from my son this-and the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).w
pointed with his hand to Hussain (عليه السلام).-and from them is the Mahdi. And the one before him
is better than him. The first one is better than the other because he is his Imam and the
other is the executor of the first. We "Ahlul Bayt "Allah has chosen us for the hereafter
over the Dunya..."
Book of Suleim Ibn Qais p.132-134
 
The one(Imam Al Mahdi)before him(first Mahdi) is better than him. The first Mahdi, Ahmed. According to the will.
 
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15 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Show me one hadith that applies to Ahmed al Hasan and bring evidence that it does.

I have already addressed the claim of dajjal from dijlat of Basrah in the "Authenticity of the will thread" and that it is not him at all but another person called Hayder Im[Edited Out]at.

You claimed to be master of hadiths and such hadiths are in abundance in all the sources of Shia as well as Sunni hadith books. Sheikh Saduq had written such narrations from different Imam (عليه السلام). 

Even Allama Korrani also mentioned such narrations in his book. 

15 hours ago, aaljibar said:

There are two ways to answer this question;

1. using logic and reason 2. looking at other ahadith concerning the subject to know what's going on

What is going on in today's world, all of us are seeing that so don't trivialize matter. The hadith of rise of Sufyani, Khorasani and Yamani like beads of rosary is among the authentic hadtih. And all of them will rise one after other in month of Rajab. Allah is better planner. Your logic that Mohammed (saww) took 13 years to gather support so that others also need time is uselss. How you can explain the arrival of Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) in month of Moharram and he will defeat cruelest ruler Sufyani within year time? He will gather all support in Hijaz within few days after his arrival. what logic you are going to use to explain that.

 

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6 minutes ago, haidermpr said:

He will gather all support in Hijaz within few days after his arrival. what logic you are going to use to explain that.

Do you think all the shi'a will recognise Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) that easily and all flock to him?

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Just now, aaljibar said:

Do you think all the shi'a will recognise Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) that easily and all flock to him?

None can claim such things and you know that too.....

and I also didn't claim any such thing.. 

We are discussing here the Rise of Yamani and whether Ahmed al Hasan is son of Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) or some imposter...

No hadith claimed that Yamani will be son of Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) and at least I haven't come across any such hadith that claims that Yamani will be son of Imam Qaim (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف)...

Secondly majority of hadiths claim that the rise of Sufyani, Khorasani and Yamani or Sufyani and Yamani will be simultaneous..

I haven't come across any hadith that claims that Yamani will rise few years before Sufyani... At the moment we don't have nay idea of Sufyani and his rise then how come we have to believe that Yamani has risen in form of Ahmed al Hasan.. Whole premise is based of false premise....

 

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@Ashvazdanghe@haidermpr

This is the ultimate proof that Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) emerges after the 12 Mahdi's and not to Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام). Since we have already proven through numerous hadith in the pages before Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) has an offspring. This hadith is saying Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) will emerge to an Imam without an offspring, and this is the twelfth last Mahdi (عليه السلام) mentioned in the will, not Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام)

From Al Hasan son of Ali Al Khazaz, he said: Ali son of Abi Hamza entered upon Abi Al Hasan Al Ridha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) so he said to him: Are you an Imam? He said: Yes. So he said to him: I heard your grandfather Jaafar son of Muhammad saying that an Imam won't be an Imam unless he has an offspring. So the Imam said: Did you forget O Sheikh(old man) or are you acting like you forgot? Jaafar didn't say that, he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: The Iman won't be an Imam unless he has an offspring except the Imam that Al Hussain son of Ali will emerge to, for he has no offspring. So he said: You told the truth may Allah make me your ransom, this is what your grandfather said. Najm Al Thaaqib volume 2 page 73

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8 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

@Ashvazdanghe@haidermpr

This is the ultimate proof that Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) emerges after the 12 Mahdi's and not to Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام). Since we have already proven through numerous hadith in the pages before Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام) has an offspring. This hadith is saying Imam al Hussein (عليه السلام) will emerge to an Imam without an offspring, and this is the twelfth last Mahdi (عليه السلام) mentioned in the will, not Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام)

From Al Hasan son of Ali Al Khazaz, he said: Ali son of Abi Hamza entered upon Abi Al Hasan Al Ridha (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) so he said to him: Are you an Imam? He said: Yes. So he said to him: I heard your grandfather Jaafar son of Muhammad saying that an Imam won't be an Imam unless he has an offspring. So the Imam said: Did you forget O Sheikh(old man) or are you acting like you forgot? Jaafar didn't say that, he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: The Iman won't be an Imam unless he has an offspring except the Imam that Al Hussain son of Ali will emerge to, for he has no offspring. So he said: You told the truth may Allah make me your ransom, this is what your grandfather said. Najm Al Thaaqib volume 2 page 73

What do you want to claim with this narration? According to this narration of Najm al Saqib, Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) won't be having his progeny as Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) will do Raja'h in his time..

This narration is actually nail in the coffin of claimants of sons of Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) though If you read whole discussion, you will find that this is only narration that claims that there will be no son of Imam Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) and hence Mir Mohaqqiq Damad doesn't consider it reliable hadith...

Quote from Najm al Saqib

"His Eminence said: Yes, I am an Imam.
He asked: I heard your grandfather, Imam Ja’far Sadiq ((عليه السلام).)
say: There is no Imam except that he has a son.
Imam ((عليه السلام).) said: Have you forgotten it, O Shaykh, my
grandfather did not say that there will no Imam except that he
will have a son. But the Imam on whom will come out Imam
Hussain bin Ali Ibne Abi Talib ((عليه السلام).) and do Rajat in his time,
thus, indeed he will not have sons.
When Ibne Abi Hamza heard this from the Imam, he said:
You are right, may I be sacrificed on you from your grandfather I
heard as you have stated."

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