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Dancing among women is haram

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2 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

By the way I will be a little provocative but what's wrong to be homophobic at the first place? 

Phobia means something negative and excessive which passes beyond logic and the reasonable way of reacting and acting.

1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

By homophobic I talk here being against homosexuality in general not about people who have sexual feelings without wanting that. 

It isnt something prescribed to you by Allah to punish homosexuals or to seek them out. In other words you could say, it's a waste of time.

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5 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

It is not the jurists job to teach you how/why they derive(d) their ruling(s). Deriving rulings requires in-depth, multifaceted knowledge. It's not easy to explain a verdict... unless they were to make several full-length books for each fatwa. Simply put, my opinion and your opinion does not matter.
 

 

Ridiculous. All the rulings I read from others have reasoning presented. Only your sources seem to say nothing of it.

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5 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

By homophobic I talk here being against homosexuality in general not about people who have sexual feelings without wanting that. 

There is a very thin blurry line between both concepts here in a practical level, and it is the only level that matters when discrimination ends up in murders and suicides.

However, a warning against a potential source of lust in a personal and voluntary level... I don't see where homophobia is in that case. I get Aragaia's point that dancing is much more than a sexual practice, but an artistic and cultural one.

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18 hours ago, Aragaia said:

Heard a scholar say women (just women present) can't dance together or in each other's presence unless it's for exercise; that type of dancing.

Is this another homophobic rule? The same scholar went a bit over the top with advicing how a woman can dress in the presence of women (her friends).

What are they afraid of?

They are afraid of development of halal dancing clubs like we have seen Halal Night Club in KSA.

This is certainly a precautionary measure to stop going towards  the acts that are against the teachings of Islam.

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1 minute ago, Muslim2010 said:

They are afraid of development of halal dancing clubs like we have seen Halal Night Clubs in KSA.

This is certainly a precautionary measure to stop the acts that are against the teachings of Islam.

Just one club. Is it even open yet? You certainly haven't seen it. I don't think that's the reason. It's far fetched.

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11 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

Just one club. Is it even open yet? You certainly haven't seen it. I don't think that's the reason. It's far fetched.

One means the start whether innovation or biddah or modern days Salafi Islam etc. no difference in these.terms.

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10 minutes ago, Muslim2010 said:

One means the start whether innovation or biddah or modern days Salafi Islam etc. no difference in these.terms.

One  means start of modern days salafi Islam?

its a shame you never replied to my thread about.

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6 hours ago, Aragaia said:

Means you're not artistic. You can still leave other people freedom to express themselves. Dancing, like any art, can express all the beauty there is in life. It is challenging, exciting, a fascinating, way to love life.

If you like dancing so much, go dance your way out of here then and leave us alone.

Its very clear what our scholars and learnt people have to say about this issue. You want us to listen to you instead? You think we are all waiting for you to tell us what to believe in?

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46 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

One  means start of modern days salafi Islam?

its a shame you never replied to my thread about.

One means one so called halal night club and its formation is beginning of another biddah / innovation that is not true Islam but modern days Salafi Islam including  the shift taken by KSA and MBS from basic of salafi or wahabism.

How do you consider that it is mandatory at ShiaChat for me that I should reply your thread/ posts? Does your statement make any sense?

Your such statement has been written seemingly  without effective use of brain :grin:

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3 hours ago, Bakir said:

There is a very thin blurry line between both concepts here in a practical level, and it is the only level that matters when discrimination ends up in murders and suicides.

However, a warning against a potential source of lust in a personal and voluntary level... I don't see where homophobia is in that case. I get Aragaia's point that dancing is much more than a sexual practice, but an artistic and cultural one.

We are supposed to be gay friendly now I guess? 

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22 hours ago, Aragaia said:

Heard a scholar say women (just women present) can't dance together or in each other's presence unless it's for exercise; that type of dancing.

Is this another homophobic rule? The same scholar went a bit over the top with advicing how a woman can dress in the presence of women (her friends).

What are they afraid of?

Why something or act is Halal or Haram ?
Now who has got the authority to say that this is Haram (or Halal) ?

O Prophet! Why do you prohibit (yourselves from) what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 66:1

Even a Prophet cannot prohibit anything what Allah made Halal.

َSay: Bring your witnesses who should bear witness that Allah has forbidden this, then if they bear witness, do not bear witness with them; and follow not the low desires of those who reject Our AYAHs and of those who do not believe in the hereafter, and they make (others) equal to their Lord.
Surah Al-An'am (6:150)

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7 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

We are supposed to be gay friendly now I guess? 

You shall defend whatever you believe in, as I will defend what I believe in. I think my post was condemning homophobia. I don't really know what you want to mean by "gay-friendly". But if you read my posts instead of thinking that I'm gay you would have realized that I was precisely pointing out that warning against potential sources of homosexual lust was in fact right (islamically speaking) and not homophobic. But you got clear prejudices I don't have interest in fixing, it's your problem. In any case, I prefer not to derail the thread to avoid other people forcing the end of debates. My tolerance to ShiaChat's evident and ashaming censorship on sexual diversity is rather low.

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On 6/18/2019 at 7:01 PM, Raheel Yunus said:

Why something or act is Halal or Haram ?
Now who has got the authority to say that this is Haram (or Halal) ?

O Prophet! Why do you prohibit (yourselves from) what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 66:1

Even a Prophet cannot prohibit anything what Allah made Halal.

It is further clarified that the things are halal that  have been told by the Prophet saww whether they are mentioned in Qur'an revealed  to the heart of the Prophet saww or mentioned in hadiths. Believers have been ordered to follow the Prophet in many verses of Qur'an like:

قُلۡ اِنۡ كُنۡتُمۡ تُحِبُّوۡنَ اللّٰهَ فَاتَّبِعُوۡنِىۡ يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ اللّٰهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَـكُمۡ ذُنُوۡبَكُمۡؕ وَاللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِيۡمٌ‏
(3:31) (O Messenger!) Tell people: 'If you indeed love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.'
 
قُلۡ اَطِيۡعُوا اللّٰهَ وَالرَّسُوۡلَ ۚ فَاِنۡ تَوَلَّوۡا فَاِنَّ اللّٰهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الۡكٰفِرِيۡنَ‏
(3:32) Say: 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.

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13 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

It is further clarified that the things are halal that  have been told by the Prophet saww whether they are mentioned in Qur'an revealed  to the heart of the Prophet saww

This verse 66:1 revealed to the heart of Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) that why you prohibit anything that Allah made halal (do not do that).

On 6/19/2019 at 12:31 AM, Raheel Yunus said:

who has got the authority to say that this is Haram (or Halal) ?

No one, at present no one got the authority to to prohibit anything if it is not mentioned in Qur'an like music dancing acting gold silk etc.

On 6/19/2019 at 12:31 AM, Raheel Yunus said:

Why something or act is Halal or Haram ?

Qur'an 9:24] Proclaim: "If your parents, your children, your siblings, your spouses, your family, the money you have earned, a business you worry about, and the homes you cherish are more beloved to you than God and His messenger, and the striving in His cause, then just wait until God brings His judgment." God does not guide the wicked people.


Anything or act is haram that is beloved to you more than Allah and Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

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1 hour ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Anything or act is haram that is beloved to you more than Allah and Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

My answer is clear based on the following verses of Qur'an already quoted:

15 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

It is further clarified that the things are halal that  have been told by the Prophet saww whether they are mentioned in Qur'an revealed  to the heart of the Prophet saww or mentioned in hadiths. Believers have been ordered to follow the Prophet in many verses of Qur'an like:

قُلۡ اِنۡ كُنۡتُمۡ تُحِبُّوۡنَ اللّٰهَ فَاتَّبِعُوۡنِىۡ يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ اللّٰهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَـكُمۡ ذُنُوۡبَكُمۡؕ وَاللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِيۡمٌ‏
(3:31) (O Messenger!) Tell people: 'If you indeed love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.'
 
قُلۡ اَطِيۡعُوا اللّٰهَ وَالرَّسُوۡلَ ۚ فَاِنۡ تَوَلَّوۡا فَاِنَّ اللّٰهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الۡكٰفِرِيۡنَ‏
(3:32) Say: 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.

There is no answer from your side for interpretation of these quoted verses and these are against your thoughts made in last post. These verses are describing the principle of Islam and sufficient for me..

wasalam

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