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9 hours ago, Aragaia said:

What is a halal relationship with a potential spouse?

Mutah (temporary marriage)

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11 hours ago, InterestedParty said:

I am highly educated with 3 degrees; Master of psychology; bachelors in history and religious philosophy

Just curious, if you have a degree in religious philosophy how come you wouldn't know what the Qur'an says about Muslim men marrying people of the book?

Just now, Aragaia said:
Just now, Ashvazdanghe said:

Mutah (temporary marriage)

That's not halal.

Technically Mutah is Halal  for Shias, but I still think there is something fishy abut the concept of temporary marriage. I mean if a man came to me and asked how big a dowry I would demand to make Mutah of half an hour with him, I would slap his face.

 

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20 hours ago, Quran313 said:

Why don’t you talk to him about your concerns? You can start a Halal relationship with him.

Also feel freen to ask him about Islam. 

I have been asking him. He is very open and supportive of my curiosity. This is one of the reasons I like him so much. He does not cut off my words or complain that I am being silly. My former husband was always telling me to be quiet and look pretty though he also said I was one of the most intelligent and educated people he knew. This man respects my curiosity and invites questions. 

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14 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

Just curious, if you have a degree in religious philosophy how come you wouldn't know what the Qur'an says about Muslim men marrying people of the book?

Technically Mutah is Halal  for Shias, but I still think there is something fishy abut the concept of temporary marriage. I mean if a man came to me and asked how big a dowry I would demand to make Mutah of half an hour with him, I would slap his face.

Because unfortunately most of my education involving Islam is based on Sunni. They call mutah something else. I am aware there are marriages between Islam and other people of the Book but was not sure if this was acceptable in Shia. I guess I am being a little...I don't know...I am worried that his feelings for me will lead him to some act that will not be acceptable. I probably shouldn't worry though. He seems of high honor and faith. Maybe my former husband was right when he would tell me to be quiet and look pretty because I was not smart enough to enter my opinions. 

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1 hour ago, InterestedParty said:

Because unfortunately most of my education involving Islam is based on Sunni. They call mutah something else. I am aware there are marriages between Islam and other people of the Book but was not sure if this was acceptable in Shia. I guess I am being a little...I don't know...I am worried that his feelings for me will lead him to some act that will not be acceptable. I probably shouldn't worry though. He seems of high honor and faith. Maybe my former husband was right when he would tell me to be quiet and look pretty because I was not smart enough to enter my opinions. 

Personally I would be very skeptical if anyone suggested Mutah rather than Niqah. Not all Muslim men has honest intentions and many of those who seam the most interested in western women is maybe not always the best of Muslims. Converting to Islam is not one of the most socially acceptable things to do as a westerner.  So for western women who is looking into Islam the idea pop up of getting a Muslim husband as an excuse for converting. Like blame it in the boyfriend. Unfortunately that often lead to bad situation because the "Muslim" men that is available in such a case is maybe not the best marriage material. But good for you if he is of high honor and faith.

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31 minutes ago, Revert1963 said:

Personally I would be very skeptical if anyone suggested Mutah rather than Niqah. Not all Muslim men has honest intentions and many of those who seam the most interested in western women is maybe not always the best of Muslims. Converting to Islam is not one of the most socially acceptable things to do as a westerner.  So for western women who is looking into Islam the idea pop up of getting a Muslim husband as an excuse for converting. Like blame it in the boyfriend. Unfortunately that often lead to bad situation because the "Muslim" men that is available in such a case is maybe not the best marriage material. But good for you if he is of high honor and faith.

He says he does not believe in the practice of mutah. I, too, have high honor and faith and since I have spent most if my life in the East and not the US I do not think like most Americans. So popular idea or not to be with a Muslim, I accept responsibility for ALL of my actions and have never thought to "blame" others for anything I have done or will do. My apologies but I feel somewhat offended that you would suggest that I would do anything of the sort. This man means more to me than anyone's opinion of my actions. Only God can judge. But thank you for clarifying my thoughts more than anyone else has. I will continue down this path with this lovely soul who has chosen to walk with me for however long I am allowed his company and be grateful for it. I will enjoy his company for as long as God allows and realize that he has been put in my life for a reason, a reason that I should not question. I will wait for God's opinion as His is really the only one that matters in life and beyond. 

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7 hours ago, InterestedParty said:

My apologies but I feel somewhat offended that you would suggest that I would do anything of the sort.

I did not mean to offend, so I apologize if my post made you feel like that. I was talking of my own experience. I really hope that your relationship work out for both of you. May God bestow his blessings on both of you.

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Follow your heart ❣ 

If you like each other so much -  look into the concept of Mutah, ask questions (lots of them too) and once you’ve familiarised yourself with the concept - it might or may not make sense. 

In my culture it’s very common for us to have the Mutah recited after engagement leading up to the Nikaah. 

Mutah is not forced up on anyone. It’s been created to safeguard against sinning. 

As a woman, I too was dead against it as I felt the concept was one for the man and not women (for those of you reading & judging at this moment; please don’t - this was how I felt at the time and my feelings are valid because they are / were mine).

This was primarily due to me being on the “meet and greet” scene. Virtually every man I met was keen on having it recited after our first coffee. It may have been the right thing for them, but it wasn’t for me, so I refused. I wasn’t interested in sleeping with them after my first coffee and when I questioned them about why Mutah so soon, nine times of ten I got “because eventually we will be intimate” (note the assumption and lack of consent!)

Anyway, cutting a long story short when I met my now wonderful husband - he super respected boundaries. I’m not easily led and I don’t like being touched, hugged, kissed etc unless I have specifically said to you it’s okay to do so. 

After a few months of talking etc. He mentioned it and I agreed to it. But this was only and only because I felt that I would be doing it for the right purposes. 

You like him... he likes you.... so what have you got to loose by giving it a go? Love doesn’t come around very often and when it does you need to hold on to it because who knows what tomorrow may bring?? 

I hope it all works out for you - I really do xx 

 

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On 6/17/2019 at 2:55 PM, InterestedParty said:

Hello and thank you for accepting me here. I find myself in a different situation for myself and hope that I can find guidance here. 

I have met a Shia man who has caught my interest  (which is very difficult to achieve!). He is funny, intelligent,  attractive and patient. The feeling is mutual. we have known each other for quite some time and the feelings are becoming intense. My question is this: is marriage possible between a Shia and a non-Muslim? Please be kind in your response...

Peace be upon you,

As per Qur'an, if you are a practicing Christian or a Jew woman, you can marry a Muslim man. However, keep in mind that any children born out of such marriage will be automatically Muslims and have to be raised in Islam. 

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I still don't understand... Who is his marja' taqlid? (Which cleric does he emulate?) I have never heard of a cleric named Al-Shammari.

@InterestedParty

Edited by AmirioTheMuzzy

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On 6/18/2019 at 9:08 PM, InterestedParty said:

Would it help if I said he is Al-Shammari?

 

10 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

I have never head of this jurist? Have you @Ashvazdanghe ?

he is a fake Marja that was ex security Ba'thi officer during time of Saddam (la)  (istikhbarat of Saddam (la))that went as interior to Hawza of Najaf & supports al-Sarkhi other fake Marja that both of them receiving support & money from KSA also he is a radical Sinni/Salafi

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/4895582/از-دامادی-امام-زمانعج-تا-صدور-فتوای-اعدام-مراجع-شیعه-مرجع-تقلیدی-که-در-استخبارات-عربستان-تحصیل-کرده-است

4 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

I still don't understand... Who is his marja' taqlid? (Which cleric does he emulate?) I have never heard of a cleric named Al-Shammari.

@InterestedParty

 

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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9 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

he is a fake Marja that was ex security Ba'thi officer during time of Saddam (la)  (istikhbarat of Saddam (la))that went as interior to Hawza of Najaf & supports al-Sarkhi other fake Marja that both of them receiving support & money from KSA also he is a radical Sinni/Salafi

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/4895582/از-دامادی-امام-زمانعج-تا-صدور-فتوای-اعدام-مراجع-شیعه-مرجع-تقلیدی-که-در-استخبارات-عربستان-تحصیل-کرده-است

 

Well, that is deeply concerning. This is definitely a deal breaker. Her potential husband is basically a supporter of the genocidal monster Saddam Hussein (la)?

If he simply said the name of the Marja, then I would have thought he was just very anti-Iran.

Still I have never heard of Mahmoud al-Sarkhi until today, and I think next to nobody follows him... it's very suspect.

......

Anyways, so is this the associated "Marja":

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_al-Sarkhi

https://www.al-hasany.net/

https://www.al-hasany.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/2alhasany

The only official English subtitled videos I could find:

https://www.instagram.com/alsrkhy.alhasany/

https://twitter.com/Mediaalsrkhy

https://www.facebook.com/alsrkhy.alhasany/

https://telegram.me/s/alsrkhyalhasany

https://vimeo.com/alhasany/

......

Old ? :

https://www.facebook.com/Barranyalhasany

https://twitter.com/AnsrIraq

.......

Unofficial/Fan:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqnNxEvcRXWUQd14BrhqIgg

......

Unofficial/News:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA17TsqAZU5GggV8SkXZqeA

 

Edited by AmirioTheMuzzy

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