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Was Imam Ja’afar as Sadiq Sunni or Shia?

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2 hours ago, Faruk said:

A Shia in the sense that they supported the election of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and supported him (عليه السلام) against his opponents then yes.

A Shia in the sense that they reviled, cursed and rejected the leadership of Abu Bakr (رضي الله عنه) then no.

A person who believes in Allah, the holy Prophet (sawas), his Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام), the Imamate is a Shia. The fact that you’re differentiating between two types of Shiism doesn’t make sense either because in Shia Islam we reject the caliphate of Abu Bakr and the other two caliphs, as well as every companion who betrayed the Prophet (sawas) and his family

 

2 hours ago, Faruk said:

Imamate and Ahl al-Bayt are not exactly the same. 

Imamate is a concept. The Ahl al-Bayt (عليه السلام) is a certain people.

That's not even the point. His person being a part of the Ahl al-Bayt (عليه السلام) is the highest virtue and has nothing to do with any sect or creed.

 

So he (عليه السلام) followed himself?

Well, if that makes any sense ...

 

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say here. No he did not follow himself, when I said he is a follower of Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام), meaning he is a follower of the rasullulah’s (sawas) teachings and his household, the main role of the Imams(عليه السلام) is to continue preaching the Prophets(sawas) message and teach others about the importance of Ahlul Bayt. And yes all the Imams (عليه السلام) are part of Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام) , meaning they’re also infallible, but that doesn’t mean they follow themselves, like .?

 

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12 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

A person who believes in Allah, the holy Prophet (sawas), his Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام), the Imamate is a Shia. The fact that you’re differentiating between two types of Shiism doesn’t make sense either because in Shia Islam we reject the caliphate of Abu Bakr and the other two caliphs, as well as every companion who betrayed the Prophet (sawas) and his family

One could come to this conclusion by studying creeds only. 

However it is an historical fact that the term Shiatul Ali emerged from the First Fitna to distinguish the supporters of Imam Ali a s from those who supported the ones who opposed him (عليه السلام).

This term continued to be in use for those who followed Imam Hassan (عليه السلام) and those who resisted the Umayyad kings after the usurpation of Yazid and the martyrdom of Imam Hussayn (عليه السلام) and who attached to leadership from Ahl al-Bayt or co-operated with them.

The believe in imamate is not a condition of the abpve mentioned categories.

12 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

don’t even know what you’re trying to say here. No he did not follow himself, when I said he is a follower of Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام), meaning he is a follower of the rasullulah’s (sawas) teachings and his household, the main role of the Imams(عليه السلام) is to continue preaching the Prophets(sawas) message and teach others about the importance of Ahlul Bayt. And yes all the Imams (عليه السلام) are part of Ahlul Bayt(عليه السلام) , meaning they’re also infallible, but that doesn’t mean they follow themselves, like .?

It's a semantic issue. I understand you but it seems you can or will not understand me. No problem.

Peace and love be upon you and yours.

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17 hours ago, Faruk said:

However it is an historical fact that the term Shiatul Ali emerged from the First Fitna to distinguish the supporters of Imam Ali a s from those who supported the ones who opposed him

The example of Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Qur’an specifically as the Shi’a of Noah:

"And most surely Abraham was among the Shi’a of him (I.e., Noah)”(Qur’an 37:83)

Shia has been specially used for the "followers of Imam Ali((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))". The first individual who used this term was the Messenger of Allah himself ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)&HP):

The Prophet of Allah ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)&HP) said to Imam Ali ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)): "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

References:
Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655 ,,,,,,,and others

Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)&HP) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising".

Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will acquire salvation on the day of judgment."

Thus the term Shia of Ali was used by the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) himself and not developed afterwards. It is agreed that use of this term  remained continued in the history of Islam.

wasalam

Edited by Muslim2010

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17 hours ago, Faruk said:

This term continued to be in use for those who followed Imam Hassan (عليه السلام) and those who resisted the Umayyad kings after the usurpation of Yazid and the martyrdom of Imam Hussayn (عليه السلام) and who attached to leadership from Ahl al-Bayt or co-operated with them.

it not true many people around Imam Hasan were from Khawarij that they were Quranists & didn't believe to Imamate that when Imam Hasan moved to fight with Muawiah (la) they betrayed him & injured him seriously before start of battle also in addition to Khawarij there were some people with him because they were just against Muawiah (la) that this group fooled with bribing of Muawiah & betrayed to Imam Hasan that some of them joined to Muawiah or left army of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) right before start of battle also in Karbala people like as Zuhair ibn Qain (رضي الله عنه) were from Uthmanists (Shias of Uthman ) that was blaming all Imams for death of Uthman but about one day before Ashura his mindset after speaking with Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) changed & people like Hurr (رضي الله عنه) were neutral to both sides until last minute also last two martyres of Karbal were from Khawarij that joined to Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) but were repeating Khawarij slogan until their martyrdom. 

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On 6/22/2019 at 5:24 PM, Faruk said:

This term continued to be in use for those who followed Imam Hassan (عليه السلام) and those who resisted the Umayyad kings after the usurpation of Yazid and the martyrdom of Imam Hussayn (عليه السلام) and who attached to leadership from Ahl al-Bayt or co-operated with them.

Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) the Prophets's grandson 

 

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On 6/22/2019 at 5:24 PM, Faruk said:

This term continued to be in use for those who followed Imam Hassan (عليه السلام) and those who resisted the Umayyad kings after the usurpation of Yazid and the martyrdom of Imam Hussayn (عليه السلام) and who attached to leadership from Ahl al-Bayt or co-operated with them.

Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) the Prophets's grandson 

Imam Jaafar Al-Sadiq (عليه السلام)

 

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On 6/24/2019 at 1:01 AM, Isaam said:

Wow, I didn’t even realize this got to 5 pages. Or what’s going on...

You shouldn't be so surprised, this is the digital age after all. If we all got together face to face to discuss these topics there would be a few exchanges and then we'd be heading over to the complementary buffet and tea caddy.

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When Imam Mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) comes, will he give people a chance to be on the truth?

Will he debate people, be it Sunnis or Shias or Jews or Christians to show them the right path? Because now we can’t talk to him. So wouldn’t it be logical if he would show everyone the right Islam?

Ws/wrb

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سُـبْـحَـانَ ٱلله

I testify that you were among the noble progeny of the Prophet,

May Allah bestow you Heaven with eternal abundance,

Teach us the righteous way through your knowledge,

Which you passed until your martyrdom.

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25th Shawwal: Martyrdom Anniversary of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (عليه السلام)

http://en.abna24.com/news//25th-shawwal-martyrdom-anniversary-of-Imam-jafar-al-Sadiq-as_955736.html

http://en.abna24.com/news//8th-shawwal-sacrilegious-act-of-destroying-holy-shrines-in-jannat-al-baqi-cemetery_950283.html

June 29, 2019 - 11:55 AM News Code : 955736 Source : ABNA24Link: 

25th Shawwal: Martyrdom Anniversary of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (AS)

 

Imam Jaafar Al-Sadiq (peace be upon him) lived with his grandfather, Ali the son of Hussein (peace be upon them) for 12 years, and another 19 years with his father. The duration of his Imamate and succession after his father was 34 years. 

The red history of Shiite of Imam Ali ((عليه السلام).) proved that whosoever accepted the Islam minus the family of Imam Ali ((عليه السلام).) and struggled on its way did reach no where and was finally rendered despicable and helpless and at last turned into the tool of the hands of imperialists of the history. 

Al-Mansur conspires against Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).), Since the cultural school of thought of Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) considered human beings effective in their fate and told them it is you who form a society. 

It is you who make yourselves prosperous or unfortunate and miserable. Only you provide the grounds for your progress or your fall. Meaning thereby, it is you who can dismiss the rulers from the seat of power and do not accept cruelty and hand over the ruler ship to the men who are capable and sympathizers. The propagation and spread of this belief and idea, which was the same Quranic belief of the Muslims, displeased and annoyed al-Mansur the second Abbasid Caliph. 

People may tolerate the excesses and cruelties of the tyrant rulers and bear the punishments and whips of their criminal masters. They, instead of objecting upon them, may express Commendation and thankfulness. Evidently and clearly Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) could not watch the propagation of such a wrong and dangerous belief, which was given to the people and taught in the name of Islamic culture and beliefs. Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) laid the foundation of the Islamic University to combat against this dangerous imperialistic belief. 

1. One day al-Mansur wrote to Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) "why do you not come to see me like the others?" Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) wrote in his response. "We do not possess any thing from the world so that we may be afraid of you for it (loss of it). You too do not possess anything for the justice day and the spiritualism so why must I come to see you? 

2. The next day al-Mansur wrote to Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) "Come here to admonish me." Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) wrote replying him, "whosoever be from the people of the world (adorer of world) will not admonish you and whosoever will be the man of the justice day will not come near you." 

3. One of the days Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) was present in the assembly of ‘al-Mansur’. By chance, a fly started teasing ‘al-Mansur’ and howsoever he tried to make it buzz off it would not and again sat upon his nose and head. 

Al-Mansur much annoyed as he was, said to Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).), "Why has God created the fly?”Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) at once replied, "For the reason of disgracing and degrading the powerful tyrants through them. 

"‘al-Mansur’ became annoyed; he sat comfortably on his place and allowed the Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) to leave. Conflict of Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) with ruler of Medina After al-Mansur had martyred a group of the family of Bani Hashim. 

Sayings of Imam Jafar as Sadiq ((عليه السلام).): 

1- A Muslim who puts in endeavors to materialize the desire of his brother is like someone who performs holy war (Jehad) on the way to God. 
2- Our intercession will not be extended to the one who is careless in performing prayers. 
3- The fruit (result) of love and attachment with the world is inconvenience, trouble and sorrow and the result of piety and purity in the world is the comfort of body and soul. 
4- How indecent is it that the powerful ones take revenge from the weak. 
5- be benevolent to your father and mother so that your children may as well be benevolent to you. 
6- Pray to God that your sustenance does not lie in the hand of people. 
7- One who invites the people towards himself (leadership) and a person wiser than him is present among the people, has gone astray. 
8- Three things are the signs of a hypocrite: While talking, tells lies. Does not fulfill promises and commitments. Embezzles the deposits of others. 
9- Take distance from (avoid) being jealous of others because this will be the cause of your becoming away from God. 


 

Martyrdom anniversary of Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) marked in Razavi shrine

http://en.abna24.com/news//martyrdom-anniversary-of-Imam-Sadiq-as-marked-in-razavi-shrine_956392.html

June 30, 2019 - 5:17 PM News Code : 956392 Source : AQRLink: 

Martyrdom anniversary of Imam Sadiq (AS) marked in Razavi shrine

 

Muslims mark martyrdom anniversary of the sixth Shia Imam, Hazrat Ja’afar Sadiq (عليه السلام), in Razavi holy shrine. 

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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