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as salaam alakim!!!!!!!

What is the Shia view on assimilating in the west, meaning adopting western culture and ideals. What does classical Shia fiqh or the Imams(عليه السلام) or ayatollahs have to say. Do people assimilate meaning are they willing to trade there Islamic identity for western ideals?

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wa salaam

They do it all the time brother, there is always conflict between western culture and what is Islamic identity.

Take for example Hijab.

We see different styles and forms of Hijab from the west which is beautification and defeats the purpose of what God wants. 

Is there evidence this comes from the west? A lot of women might not get the idea from the west, rather they get the opportunity.

We don't know the exact reasons Allah wanted women to wear a Hijab.

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1 hour ago, Aragaia said:

We don't know the exact reasons Allah wanted women to wear a Hijab.

I think it is pretty clear from  Qur'an 7:26  and  24:31 that it has to do with modesty. It is to cover nakedness as well as an adornment. Also 24:31 mentions the practical measure to hide a woman's attributes from male desire.  Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) did create testosterone in men and know of its effect on them.
But I do agree that it is not specified how much of the head and face should be covered. 24:31 only specify covering the bosom, so that must be the main thing. How much of the face, neck and jawline we can show (or even hairline as Iranian woman do) is not specified in other terms than by the word "بِخُمُرِهِنَّ" (which of cause scholars has written long essays about and differ greatly in their interpretation)

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2 minutes ago, Revert1963 said:

I think it is pretty clear from  Qur'an 7:26  and  24:31 that it has to do with modesty. It is to cover nakedness as well as an adornment. Also 24:31 mentions the practical measure to hide a woman's attributes from male desire.  Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) did create testosterone in men and know of its effect on them.
But I do agree that it is not specified how much of the head and face should be covered. 24:31 only specify covering the bosom, so that must be the main thing. How much of the face, neck and jawline we can show (or even hairline as Iranian woman do) is not specified in other terms than by the word "بِخُمُرِهِنَّ" (which of cause scholars has written long essays about and differ greatly in their interpretation)

I'm thinking there may be another reason. "so that they will be recognised" means nothing in this society when it comes to slavery and often even wealth.

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On 6/14/2019 at 10:56 PM, Lion of Shia said:

What is the Shia view on assimilating in the west

Define assimilating. I view it as adopting to rules, laws and cultural ways of the land in which you live, while staying true to the rules and laws of Shi'a Islam.

On 6/14/2019 at 10:56 PM, Lion of Shia said:

meaning adopting western culture and ideals

if it isn't haram then adopt it

On 6/14/2019 at 10:56 PM, Lion of Shia said:

What does classical Shia fiqh or the Imams(عليه السلام) or ayatollahs have to say.

Why do you need all of that, when common sense dictates to avoid what is haram and to embrace that which is halal? Now, which propotion that halal and haram exists in the West is quite different than what it is in a Muslim country, but times are evolving and as time passes there are a great many things increasing that previously were not available.

On 6/14/2019 at 10:56 PM, Lion of Shia said:

Do people assimilate meaning are they willing to trade there Islamic identity for western ideals?

Nope, not at all. Always stay true to your Islamic principles. Its learning how they fit in with Western life that requires a level of intelligence and knowledge. Embrace what is Halal, and avoid what is Haram. Its in the gray areas in between that requires a level of cunning and intelligence.

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This is very important question for Muslims who live in west. Assimilation can sometimes be contradictory to our Islamic identity, but it can be sometimes good. Being on time, taking job serious, etc. are good examples of it which are part of our Islamic values. But assimilation can be detrimental too. For example having mixed parties, atheism way of thinking, etc. One should be careful on which area he/she tries to assimilate western culture. I mean western culture has some good habits that we should take, but it also has so many non Islamic traits. A wise person takes good traits and throws the rest. It should be part of self improvement of every individual.

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Just now, Akbar673 said:

Define assimilating. I view it as adopting to rules, laws and cultural ways of the land in which you live, while staying true to the rules and laws of Shi'a Islam.

This is not how xenophobic and Islamophobic politicians define assimilation. In their view assimilation is to completely give up any trace of non-European culture as well as giving up on Islamic values and in stead adopting modern secular European cultural expression. That is why I think that the word assimilation should be avoided.
Of cause if someone emigrates to an other culture they should make some adaptations to that culture an do an effort to be come a part of the community. I think we should do what we can to avoid parallel societies. However integration must go two ways. Especially in the situation Europe is in today with mass emigration. The local population also has to make an effort to amalgamate the cultures of the emigrants with the European culture. In that process it must be clear that there is freedom of religion and that Islam is today a European religion.
So of cause Muslims should not give up on the core principles of Islam. In fact the principles of Islam is not so different from other religion. The Europeans just threw out those principles with the bath water when they scrutinized Christianity a 100 years ago or more. While that scrutiny was called fore because Christianity had corrupted into dogmatism and sectarianism it ended up giving rise to indifference, greed and narcissism.
 

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4 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

This is not how xenophobic and Islamophobic politicians define assimilation. In their view assimilation is to completely give up any trace of non-European culture as well as giving up on Islamic values and in stead adopting modern secular European cultural expression.

I highlighted specific descriptions in your post. The fact that you have immoral people pushing an alternate definition of the term "Assimilation" confirms that it is doomed to failure. Add to that the fact that the very people that they are accusing of not assimilating properly (note: that a lot of those Muslims are there due to the actions of the Western govts is the true irony in all of this).

4 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

Of cause if someone emigrates to an other culture they should make some adaptations to that culture an do an effort to be come a part of the community.

Agreed, and that's how the vast majority of immigrants have acted. However, the immoral racists have chosen to only highlight the actions of a small subset of those immigrants and are manipulating the mindset of so many because of their agenda.

4 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

However integration must go two ways. Especially in the situation Europe is in today with mass emigration. The local population also has to make an effort to amalgamate the cultures of the emigrants with the European culture. In that process it must be clear that there is freedom of religion and that Islam is today a European religion.

That's what has always happened on both sides of the equation for decades. Its only recently that the agenda has been pushed which is causing a small amount of people to take a racist tone. However, it is to be noted that there are a still a considerable amount of people who are open minded to immigrants coming to their countries and welcome them. However, as time is passing the number of those open minded people is not increasing. All of the new people coming of age are being fooled into this concept of racism/religionism disguised as Nationalism.

4 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

So of cause Muslims should not give up on the core principles of Islam. In fact the principles of Islam is not so different from other religion.

You can easily maintain a level of follwing Islam while coexisting in the West. Its not easy but it can be done. It just requires a level of intelligence, Islamic education, open mindedness and common sense. Not everyone has that however.

4 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

The Europeans just threw out those principles with the bath water when they scrutinized Christianity a 100 years ago or more.

Not all Europeans, nor all Christians. It was moreso the Americans and the Evangelicals. Christianity in Europe was more moderate until the end of WWII, then the Americans infected Europe with their brand of Protestant Evangelicalism and its all been downhill ever since.

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