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How authentic is the the will of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)?

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

We have strong Hadith from Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) that when Imam Mahdi (aj) reappeares his claim is clear as sun in clear sky of noon & he doesn't need to prove himself 

"& he doesn't need to prove himself" That is not part of the Hadith (Don't be offended, we cannot infer things. Just use truth).

It is quite the opposite, The matter becomes clear because of the proofs he provides.

Malek Al Juhani said to Imam Al Baqr (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): We describe the rightful owner with a description that isn't with anybody from among the people.
So Imam al Baqr ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) said: No by Allah, it will not be that at all until he himself proves it to you through it and calls you to it.

The hadith is as follows on this website in Kitab al ghaybah http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1281_كتاب-الغيبة-محمد-بن-إبراهيم-النعماني-ج-١/الصفحة_152

The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate). @Ashvazdanghe 

So basically, the Imam said the people who describe the clear matter are many and people will be trailed, differentiated and sifted and many will come out apostated from the religion. This means that many will not see the matter as being clear but the matter itself is clear

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

You delusioned by your wrong understanding

Explain how? I say apparent because the ahadeeth make things apparent to us. If that is what you're remarking at.

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4 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Both of them were ally of each other but in process Ahmad Al Hasan bipassed him & seperated from him but both of them have same origin & both of them are Dajjals but Al Hasan became more famous than Imshatat that his claim was restricted to his area but Al Hasan claimed it internationally

Everything I claimed had a reference.

What about you about this claim?

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26 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

@aaljibar in simplistic terms, who is this Ahmed Al-Hassan you believe I should be paying my attention to? 

To make it simple, watch this video. Don't be discouraged by the low video view count or dislikes. Just take it as an introduction. The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate).

 

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7 hours ago, aaljibar said:

I realise that making a will is obligatory on all Muslims according to the qur'anic verse. كُتِبَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ اِذَا حَضَرَ اَحَدَكُمُ الۡمَوۡتُ اِنۡ تَرَكَ خَيۡرَا  ۖۚ اۨلۡوَصِيَّةُ لِلۡوَالِدَيۡنِ وَالۡاَقۡرَبِيۡنَ بِالۡمَعۡرُوۡفِۚ حَقًّا عَلَى الۡمُتَّقِيۡنَؕ‏  

(2:180) It is decreed that when death approaches, those of you who leave behind property shall bequeath equitably to parents and kinsmen. This is an obligation on the God-fearing.182

There is a person named Ahmed Al Hassan who has used the will that to claim he is the mentioned one, a messenger of Imam al Mahdi. He has written books and there are numerous proofs for him. Now, the blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said about this will according to the narrations that "This will never lead you astray". This basically means that who ever claims to be mentioned in the will must be truthful. If Ahmed al Hassan is not truthful then the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would be wrong (I seek refuge in Allah).

So how authentic is the will?

Very very pathetic trick which is so common nowadays that everyone makes use of this.

Ahmed al Hasan cannot tell the root of its word Ahmed that whether it is from Aramic language or Ibrani language and he is speaking about this hadith. We Shias never run on names but on attributes and that is how we distinguished Allah (عزّ وجلّ) from the rest of idols. Like there were many idols before our Prophet (PBUHHP) spoke about Allah's attributes, there would also be many impostors before our Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and like our dear Prophet pbuhhp destroyed those idols both logically and physically, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) is destroying those impostors by showing to the world that they cannot accomplish what is destined for Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and are receiving lanah day and night.

5 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

our Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his family, could not predict the future. Allah Himself told him to tell the people that he couldn't (7:188 and 46:9 for reference). So this matter of him predicting there would be 12 Imams and their names, it cannot be true.

Brother, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shares his hidden knowledge with whom he likes, that is the reason you know that this world will end and there will be heaven and hell which you did not know before....and also there are verses in Qur'an which says that Prophets did not know it before because before every before there is Allah.....but Allah (عزّ وجلّ) says that he shares secret knowledge for reference 

Shakir 11:49] These are announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you, you did not know them-- (neither) you nor your people-- before this; therefore, be patient; surely the end is for those who guard (against evil).

This is the reason that Prophet (PBUHHP) said in his hadith: "I know who is going to heaven and who is going to hell among you and among your forefathers".

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25 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

To make it simple, watch this video. Don't be discouraged by the low video view count or dislikes. Just take it as an introduction. The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate).

 

lolz for this video

because of these kinds of trickeries and weak minds those who fall into these easy traps, Imam al-Mehdi (عليه السلام) will have few helpers from Arabs, and that is not to difficult to see from the current Arab pictures.....most of Arab countries including Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Some of Afro-Arab countries do not believe in Mehdi (عليه السلام) and only few areas are there such as Iraq, Lebanon and Bahrain who believe in Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام). And, those who believe in Ahmed al Hasan, who has studied from the Ulema in Hawza Ilmiya Najaf and now want to rule his teachers lolz also among those who disbelieved in Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام).

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4 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Very very pathetic trick which is so common nowadays that everyone makes use of this.

Ahmed al Hasan cannot tell the root of its word Ahmed that whether it is from Aramic language or Ibrani language and he is speaking about this hadith. We Shias never run on names but on attributes and that is how we distinguished Allah (عزّ وجلّ) from the rest of idols. Like there were many idols before our Prophet (PBUHHP) spoke about Allah's attributes, there would also be many impostors before our Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and like our dear Prophet pbuhhp destroyed those idols both logically and physically, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) is destroying those impostors by showing to the world that they cannot accomplish what is destined for Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and are receiving lanah day and night.

What is your argument here?

1. What do you mean he cannot tell the root word whether it's from aramic and ibrani. Where did you get that from?

2. Allah is destroying imposers of the Mahdi the one I mentioned earlier in this thread.

What does any this have to do with Ahmed al Hassan at all?

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3 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

What is your argument here?

1. What do you mean he cannot tell the root word whether it's from aramic and ibrani. Where did you get that from?

2. Allah is destroying imposers of the Mahdi the one I mentioned earlier in this thread.

What does any this have to do with Ahmed al Hassan at all?

Pretty much, if you do not know what it means, how could I argue with you since you not know what personality Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) would possess ?

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26 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

To make it simple, watch this video. Don't be discouraged by the low video view count or dislikes. Just take it as an introduction. The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate).

 

Okay. So I watched the video. 

So he started his mission in 1999, why has nobody heard of him? If he had twenty years of work, you wouldn't get these videos with low view count. Like, Sunnis which are 80% or whatever of the population, how many have heard of him? How many take him seriously? I know people are supposed to shun even Prophets, but 20 years and nothing?

Which religious figures has he spoken to? Is there any proof that this has happened?

I am an open minded person, but there doesn't seem much proof in 20 years, otherwise we would have more proof. Even the Mirza Mahroor Ahmed has more evidence of getting about and talking to people and he has been head of the movement for less than 20 years. He's not even credible. So if this Ahmed Al-Hassan is credible... Do you get my jist?

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1 minute ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Pretty much, if you do not know what it means, how could I argue with you since you not know what personality Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) would possess ?

Ahmed al Hassan is not claiming to be Imam Mohammed Ibn Al Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))

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2 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Okay. So I watched the video. 

So he started his mission in 1999, why has nobody heard of him? If he had twenty years of work, you wouldn't get these videos with low view count. Like, Sunnis which are 80% or whatever of the population, how many have heard of him? How many take him seriously? I know people are supposed to shun even Prophets, but 20 years and nothing?

Which religious figures has he spoken to? Is there any proof that this has happened?

I am an open minded person, but there doesn't seem much proof in 20 years, otherwise we would have more proof. Even the Mirza Mahroor Ahmed has more evidence of getting about and talking to people and he has been head of the movement for less than 20 years. He's not even credible. So if this Ahmed Al-Hassan is credible... Do you get my jist?

It is said that he met with Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) in 1999 and his da'wah didn't go public until 2002 in Najaf and even then it was limited to a very few people. Saddam Hussein started to chase him because it's said that Saddam Hussein wanted anyone named "Ahmed" arrested. So he escaped for a few months until 2003. In around 2007 he started to gain some media attention until when finally he started a Facebook page in 2012 which currently has over 1 million followers. Since then he's written many books and has numerous amounts of followers around the world.

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Do you think that those whom Allah (عزّ وجلّ) chooses, he would leave them like strangers in this world and will not help him with authority that are moral and physical. A Prophet never learns from any infallible person for if he learns than infallible becomes his master and has guided him and one whom infallible guides is lying upon Allah that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) choose for him a teacher which can make mistakes and therefore Allah (عزّ وجلّ) has did mistake as well. 

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