How authentic is the the will of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)?

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I realise that making a will is obligatory on all Muslims according to the qur'anic verse. كُتِبَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ اِذَا حَضَرَ اَحَدَكُمُ الۡمَوۡتُ اِنۡ تَرَكَ خَيۡرَا  ۖۚ اۨلۡوَصِيَّةُ لِلۡوَالِدَيۡنِ وَالۡاَقۡرَبِيۡنَ بِالۡمَعۡرُوۡفِۚ حَقًّا عَلَى الۡمُتَّقِيۡنَؕ‏  

(2:180) It is decreed that when death approaches, those of you who leave behind property shall bequeath equitably to parents and kinsmen. This is an obligation on the God-fearing.¹⁸²

There is a person named Ahmed Al Hassan who has used the will that to claim he is the mentioned one, a messenger of Imam al Mahdi. He has written books and there are numerous proofs for him. Now, the blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said about this will according to the narrations that "This will never lead you astray". This basically means that who ever claims to be mentioned in the will must be truthful. If Ahmed al Hassan is not truthful then the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would be wrong (I seek refuge in Allah).

So how authentic is the will?

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He never wrote a will as far as I have learned.

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He did not write a will. According to Al-Islam.org and the consensus of other schools he did not write a will.

Allah's Prophet is not wrong, and this Ahmed Al Hassan is a fraud and liar.

There are massive errors being accepted in hadith (particularly Al-Bukhari), our Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his family, could not predict the future. Allah Himself told him to tell the people that he couldn't (7:188 and 46:9 for reference). So this matter of him predicting there would be 12 Imams and their names, it cannot be true.

Therefore this will it has been made by someone for a reason, I would imagine to strengthen the legitimacy of the Imams, which, I don't believe needed doing in such way, they are, in my view better than the caliphs that opposed them. Now of course if this Ahmed Al Hassan conveniently says that the messenger of Allah said this will will not lead you astray, nobody will argue with him. It's all very convenient I think. I hear that he is a Mahdi claimant, oh the irony.

I say again, I respect the Imams and their entitlement to lead the people, but just like the Sunni literature I used to follow, fraudulent things will be written and whoever is at fault of that fraud will say on a side note, it is authentic, anyone who rejects it will be a so and so etc. I was listening to a lecture, some of the people who transmitted the incomplete book by Al-Bukhari were Khawarij, and they literally said "if we wanted something, we would make up a hadith to get it." 

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30 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Qur'an says that anything left after a Prophet's death should be given in charity.

@aaaz1618 bhai,

Assalamalaikum,

This is a new information for me. Please tell me where in Qur'an it is said.

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23 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

@aaaz1618 bhai,

Assalamalaikum,

This is a new information for me. Please tell me where in Qur'an it is said.

Walaikum salam. You're correct. May Allah forgive me for my error in recalling things. The rest of what I said still stands.

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2 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

He did not write a will. According to Al-Islam.org and the consensus of other schools he did not write a will.

Allah's Prophet is not wrong, and this Ahmed Al Hassan is a fraud and liar.

There are massive errors being accepted in hadith (particularly Al-Bukhari), our Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his family, could not predict the future. Allah Himself told him to tell the people that he couldn't (7:188 and 46:9 for reference). So this matter of him predicting there would be 12 Imams and their names, it cannot be true.

Therefore this will it has been made by someone for a reason, I would imagine to strengthen the legitimacy of the Imams, which, I don't believe needed doing in such way, they are, in my view better than the caliphs that opposed them. Now of course if this Ahmed Al Hassan conveniently says that the messenger of Allah said this will will not lead you astray, nobody will argue with him. It's all very convenient I think. I hear that he is a Mahdi claimant, oh the irony.

I say again, I respect the Imams and their entitlement to lead the people, but just like the Sunni literature I used to follow, fraudulent things will be written and whoever is at fault of that fraud will say on a side note, it is authentic, anyone who rejects it will be a so and so etc. I was listening to a lecture, some of the people who transmitted the incomplete book by Al-Bukhari were Khawarij, and they literally said "if we wanted something, we would make up a hadith to get it." 

Asalamu alaykum Aaz16816,

1. According to Al Bukhari, Volume 1, Pg 22. On his death, the blessed Prophet asked for writing material so some could write something that "never lead you astray" like a will and then Umar said "The Prophet is delirious/hallucinating" and then said "the book of Allah is sufficient for us". And then the Prophet got angry and told everyone to leave. And then called Ali ((عليه السلام)) back with a few companions and apparently this will was written by Ali ((عليه السلام)) shortly afterwards on the night of the Prophets ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a) death. According to, Ghaybat al Tusi, pg 174. http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1335_الغيبة-الشيخ-الطوسي-ج-١/الصفحة_174?fbclid=IwAR1gEmpuPSfs3zfKApp4ftk0XwUU14LAp2z2RVXRaSB_GAt-1C2ow-ohk_0#top. 

2. Predictions? He's not a psychic. The Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a) know's things from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). According to verses 72:26-27, 81:24

3. Also Ahmed al Hassan was not the first one to say this will "will never lead you astray". It was the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a).

4. Where is your evidence to substantiate your claim "this will has been made by someone for a reason."

5. Of course people have tried to forge hadith in the past. It however, gives 0% evidence that this hadith is forged.

6. He is absolutely not an Imam Mohammed Ibn Al-Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) claimant. He is one of the 12 Mahdi's claimant, as according to the will.

7. The authenticity of this Will is mentioned as Mutawatir by sheikh al tusi, which the strongest authenticity of hadith that I know of. According to ghaybat al tusi, pg 180. http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1335_الغيبة-الشيخ-الطوسي-ج-١/الصفحة_0?pageno=180&fbclid=IwAR25VtmpM8GywB_tD2foAAi9xcVGwF-txakGOwbhdlc_-IygA3RoqQ69GFU#top. I just needed more people to confirm they agree to this hadeeth and if they have opposing views to the authenticity.

7. What makes you so sure Ahmed al Hassan is a fraud, have you done hours or days of research or reading?

 

 

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10 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Asalamu alaykum Aaz16816,

1. The Prophet asked for pen and paper and then said that it "would never lead you astray" like a will and then Umar said "The Prophet is delirious" and then said "the book of Allah is sufficient for us". And then the Prophet got angry and told everyone to leave. And then called Ali ((عليه السلام)) back with a few companions and apparently this will was written by Ali ((عليه السلام)) shortly afterwards

2. Predictions? He's not a psychic habibi. He know's things from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So that point is gone.

3. Also Ahmed al Hassan was not the first one to say this will "will never lead you astray". According to narrations, Sunni & shi'a, it was the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a).

4. You said this hadeeth was made by someone for a reason. Where is your evidence for this? Or is it just a empty claim.

5. Of course people will try to forge hadith, it does not prove this hadith is forged. It is even called mutawatir in ghaybat al tusi pg.180 

6. He is not an Imam Mohammed Ibn Al-Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) claimant. He is one of the 12 Mahdi's claimant, as according to the will.

7. The authenticity is mentioned as mutawatir by sheikh al tusi (the strongest authenticty) http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1335_الغيبة-الشيخ-الطوسي-ج-١/الصفحة_0?pageno=180&fbclid=IwAR25VtmpM8GywB_tD2foAAi9xcVGwF-txakGOwbhdlc_-IygA3RoqQ69GFU#top. I just need people to confirm they agree to this and if they have opposing views to the authenticity.

7. What makes you so sure Ahmed al Hassan is a fraud, have you done hours or days of research or reading?

It's the man's responsibility to prove himself in this case than others wasting their time.

When someone tells you something that is very convenient to you, you ought to inspect their motives.

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32 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

Asalamu alaykum Aaz16816,

1. The Prophet asked for pen and paper and then said that it "would never lead you astray" like a will and then Umar said "The Prophet is delirious" and then said "the book of Allah is sufficient for us". And then the Prophet got angry and told everyone to leave. And then called Ali ((عليه السلام)) back with a few companions and apparently this will was written by Ali ((عليه السلام)) shortly afterwards

2. Predictions? He's not a psychic habibi. He know's things from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So that point is gone.

4. You said this hadeeth was made by someone for a reason. Where is your evidence for this? Or is it just a empty claim. 

6. He is not an Imam Mohammed Ibn Al-Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) claimant. He is one of the 12 Mahdi's claimant, as according to the will.

7. What makes you so sure Ahmed al Hassan is a fraud, have you done hours or days of research or reading?

1. Apparently.

2. In 46:9... Does he know or doesn't he, it is one or the other. 

4. Well, the whole point is someone used this hadith to legitimise their claim. No? Do you agree or disagree that there are many hadith that were made for a reason without being the words of the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his family? 

6,7. I am sure you read this thread, and I don't want to insult anybody by assuming they haven't. There is enough resources online to suggest he is one. Even the moderator on here at the time said he is a fake Mahdi claimant, who am I to argue? I certainly don't want to waste further time spending days reading. 

 

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15 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

1. Apparently.

2. In 46:9... Does he know or doesn't he, it is one or the other. 

4. Well, the whole point is someone used this hadith to legitimise their claim. No? Do you agree or disagree that there are many hadith that were made for a reason without being the words of the Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his family? 

6,7. I am sure you read this thread, and I don't want to insult anybody by assuming they haven't. There is enough resources online to suggest he is one. Even the moderator on here at the time said he is a fake Mahdi claimant, who am I to argue? I certainly don't want to waste further time spending days reading. 

 

1. Sorry for saying 'apparently . Here is the reference for the incident. Ghaybat al Tusi, pg 174. http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1335_الغيبة-الشيخ-الطوسي-ج-١/الصفحة_174?fbclid=IwAR1gEmpuPSfs3zfKApp4ftk0XwUU14LAp2z2RVXRaSB_GAt-1C2ow-ohk_0#top.

2. Verses  2:26-27, 81:24. (Just check out my edited post, contains more references for other things.)

3. Just because a moderator says he is a fraud does not mean Ahmed is a fraud. A moderator has no authority in these matters.

4. yes I agree many hadeeths have been forged. However, if it proves to be authentic (which if you check my past edited post you will see). Then Ahmed is truthful other wise (I seek refuge) The Prophet would be lying.

4. What specifically in that thread 'Who Is Ahmed Al Hasan' proves he that he is not who he claims?

5. Brother, I urge you, and everyone else to research. The more you read about this the more shocked you get. This is not a waste of time. Don't leave your akhirah on a the shoulders of a scholar because, in reality, no one told you to follow him.

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BTW I say "apparently", because that is just what is written in ahadeeth. Because personally, I didn't see these events happen myself, as no one else here lol.

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37 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

It's the man's responsibility to prove himself in this case than others wasting their time.

When someone tells you something that is very convenient to you, you ought to inspect their motives.

In reality, the Qai'm (riser) will be trying to prove himself to you. According to Imam al Baqr in Gaibat Al Numani page 335

Malek Al Juhani said to Imam Al Baqr (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): We describe the rightful owner with a description that isn't with anybody from among the people.
So Imam al Baqr ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) said: No by Allah, it will not be that at all until he himself proves it to you through it and calls you to it.

 

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10 hours ago, aaljibar said:

. He is absolutely not an Imam Mohammed Ibn Al-Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) claimant. He is one of the 12 Mahdi's claimant, as according to the will

He is Dajjal of Basra ,he started his claim from Basra & there is narration from Imam Ali (عليه السلام) that he is first of all Dajjals 

9 hours ago, aaljibar said:

Hasan' proves he that he is not who he claims?

5. Brother, I urge you, and everyone else to research. The more you read about this the more shocked you get. This is not a waste of time. Don't leave your akhirah on a the shoulders of a scholar because, in reality, no one told you to follow hIm.

 

9 hours ago, aaljibar said:

BTW I say "apparently", because that is just what is written in ahadeeth. Because personally, I didn't see these events happen myself, as no one else here lol.

You delusioned by your wrong understanding

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19 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

In reality, the Qai'm (riser) will be trying to prove himself to you. According to Imam al Baqr in Gaibat Al Numani page 335

Malek Al Juhani said to Imam Al Baqr (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): We describe the rightful owner with a description that isn't with anybody from among the people.
So Imam al Baqr ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) said: No by Allah, it will not be that at all until he himself proves it to you through it and calls you to it.

 

We have strong Hadith from Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) that when Imam Mahdi (aj) reappeares his claim is clear as sun in clear sky of noon & he doesn't need to prove himself 

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38 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

He is Dajjal of Basra ,he started his claim from Basra & there is narration from Imam Ali (عليه السلام) that he is first of all Dajjals 

 

 

You delusioned by your wrong understanding

1. The hadeeth of Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) says: "And a Dajaal will emerge from the Tigris River (Dijlat) of Al Basrah, and he is not from me and he is the first of the dajaleen all of them". Reference: Malaham wal fitan by Ibn Taqoos Pg 249 Ch 37. Hadeeth 362). If you are familiar with the map of Iraq, Basrah does not have the Tigris river (Dijlah), It belongs to the governate of Maysan. So Imam Ali was referring to The Dijlah of Basrah as it was nearby Maysan. This is supported by another hadeeth by Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) which says: "And then the emergence of the guided Mahdi (The ansars refer to Ahmed al Hasan) that will take the banner from the hand of Jesus son of Mary and then the Dajjal shall appear from Mesaan around Basra". This hadith is found in found in the same book Malahem Wal Fitan Sayed ibn Tawoos but on p.134. And do you want to know who the actual dajaal is? The infamous Abu Abdullah al Qahtani a.k.a Haydar Imshatat who impersonated Ahmed al Hasan a few years ago appeared and he lived in Maysan according to the biography of Haydar Imshatat's website

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6 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

And do you want to know who the actual dajaal is? The infamous Abu Abdullah al Qahtani a.k.a Haydar Imshatat who impersonated Ahmed al Hasan a few years ago appeared and he lived in Maysan according to the biography of Haydar Imshatat's website

Both of them were ally of each other but in process Ahmad Al Hasan bipassed him & seperated from him but both of them have same origin & both of them are Dajjals but Al Hasan became more famous than Imshatat that his claim was restricted to his area but Al Hasan claimed it internationally

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

We have strong Hadith from Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) that when Imam Mahdi (aj) reappeares his claim is clear as sun in clear sky of noon & he doesn't need to prove himself 

"& he doesn't need to prove himself" That is not part of the Hadith (Don't be offended, we cannot infer things. Just use truth).

It is quite the opposite, The matter becomes clear because of the proofs he provides.

Malek Al Juhani said to Imam Al Baqr (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): We describe the rightful owner with a description that isn't with anybody from among the people.
So Imam al Baqr ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) said: No by Allah, it will not be that at all until he himself proves it to you through it and calls you to it.

The hadith is as follows on this website in Kitab al ghaybah http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1281_كتاب-الغيبة-محمد-بن-إبراهيم-النعماني-ج-١/الصفحة_152

The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate). @Ashvazdanghe 

So basically, the Imam said the people who describe the clear matter are many and people will be trailed, differentiated and sifted and many will come out apostated from the religion. This means that many will not see the matter as being clear but the matter itself is clear

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

You delusioned by your wrong understanding

Explain how? I say apparent because the ahadeeth make things apparent to us. If that is what you're remarking at.

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4 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Both of them were ally of each other but in process Ahmad Al Hasan bipassed him & seperated from him but both of them have same origin & both of them are Dajjals but Al Hasan became more famous than Imshatat that his claim was restricted to his area but Al Hasan claimed it internationally

Everything I claimed had a reference.

What about you about this claim?

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@aaljibar in simplistic terms, who is this Ahmed Al-Hassan you believe I should be paying my attention to? 

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26 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

@aaljibar in simplistic terms, who is this Ahmed Al-Hassan you believe I should be paying my attention to? 

To make it simple, watch this video. Don't be discouraged by the low video view count or dislikes. Just take it as an introduction. The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate).

 

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7 hours ago, aaljibar said:

I realise that making a will is obligatory on all Muslims according to the qur'anic verse. كُتِبَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ اِذَا حَضَرَ اَحَدَكُمُ الۡمَوۡتُ اِنۡ تَرَكَ خَيۡرَا  ۖۚ اۨلۡوَصِيَّةُ لِلۡوَالِدَيۡنِ وَالۡاَقۡرَبِيۡنَ بِالۡمَعۡرُوۡفِۚ حَقًّا عَلَى الۡمُتَّقِيۡنَؕ‏  

(2:180) It is decreed that when death approaches, those of you who leave behind property shall bequeath equitably to parents and kinsmen. This is an obligation on the God-fearing.¹⁸²

There is a person named Ahmed Al Hassan who has used the will that to claim he is the mentioned one, a messenger of Imam al Mahdi. He has written books and there are numerous proofs for him. Now, the blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said about this will according to the narrations that "This will never lead you astray". This basically means that who ever claims to be mentioned in the will must be truthful. If Ahmed al Hassan is not truthful then the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would be wrong (I seek refuge in Allah).

So how authentic is the will?

Very very pathetic trick which is so common nowadays that everyone makes use of this.

Ahmed al Hasan cannot tell the root of its word Ahmed that whether it is from Aramic language or Ibrani language and he is speaking about this hadith. We Shias never run on names but on attributes and that is how we distinguished Allah (عزّ وجلّ) from the rest of idols. Like there were many idols before our Prophet (PBUHHP) spoke about Allah's attributes, there would also be many impostors before our Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and like our dear Prophet pbuhhp destroyed those idols both logically and physically, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) is destroying those impostors by showing to the world that they cannot accomplish what is destined for Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and are receiving lanah day and night.

5 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

our Prophet, peace and blessings upon him and his family, could not predict the future. Allah Himself told him to tell the people that he couldn't (7:188 and 46:9 for reference). So this matter of him predicting there would be 12 Imams and their names, it cannot be true.

Brother, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shares his hidden knowledge with whom he likes, that is the reason you know that this world will end and there will be heaven and hell which you did not know before....and also there are verses in Qur'an which says that Prophets did not know it before because before every before there is Allah.....but Allah (عزّ وجلّ) says that he shares secret knowledge for reference 

Shakir 11:49] These are announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you, you did not know them-- (neither) you nor your people-- before this; therefore, be patient; surely the end is for those who guard (against evil).

This is the reason that Prophet (PBUHHP) said in his hadith: "I know who is going to heaven and who is going to hell among you and among your forefathers".

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25 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

To make it simple, watch this video. Don't be discouraged by the low video view count or dislikes. Just take it as an introduction. The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate).

 

lolz for this video

because of these kinds of trickeries and weak minds those who fall into these easy traps, Imam al-Mehdi (عليه السلام) will have few helpers from Arabs, and that is not to difficult to see from the current Arab pictures.....most of Arab countries including Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Some of Afro-Arab countries do not believe in Mehdi (عليه السلام) and only few areas are there such as Iraq, Lebanon and Bahrain who believe in Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام). And, those who believe in Ahmed al Hasan, who has studied from the Ulema in Hawza Ilmiya Najaf and now want to rule his teachers lolz also among those who disbelieved in Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام).

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4 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Very very pathetic trick which is so common nowadays that everyone makes use of this.

Ahmed al Hasan cannot tell the root of its word Ahmed that whether it is from Aramic language or Ibrani language and he is speaking about this hadith. We Shias never run on names but on attributes and that is how we distinguished Allah (عزّ وجلّ) from the rest of idols. Like there were many idols before our Prophet (PBUHHP) spoke about Allah's attributes, there would also be many impostors before our Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and like our dear Prophet pbuhhp destroyed those idols both logically and physically, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) is destroying those impostors by showing to the world that they cannot accomplish what is destined for Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and are receiving lanah day and night.

What is your argument here?

1. What do you mean he cannot tell the root word whether it's from aramic and ibrani. Where did you get that from?

2. Allah is destroying imposers of the Mahdi the one I mentioned earlier in this thread.

What does any this have to do with Ahmed al Hassan at all?

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3 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

What is your argument here?

1. What do you mean he cannot tell the root word whether it's from aramic and ibrani. Where did you get that from?

2. Allah is destroying imposers of the Mahdi the one I mentioned earlier in this thread.

What does any this have to do with Ahmed al Hassan at all?

Pretty much, if you do not know what it means, how could I argue with you since you not know what personality Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) would possess ?

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26 minutes ago, aaljibar said:

To make it simple, watch this video. Don't be discouraged by the low video view count or dislikes. Just take it as an introduction. The fact of the matter is, their will be a tribulation and the majority will initially shun Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) according to the book Al Kafi - Sheikh Al Kulayni - Volume 1 - Page 375: Abu yafoor heard Imam Al Saadiq (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم): Woe unto the tyrants among the arabs from a matter that came near. I said: May I be sacrificed for you, how many are from the arabs? He said: A few people. I said: By Allah, those who describe this matter are many. He said: People must be trialed, differentiated, and sifted, and from the sieve many will come out (I.e. apostate).

 

Okay. So I watched the video. 

So he started his mission in 1999, why has nobody heard of him? If he had twenty years of work, you wouldn't get these videos with low view count. Like, Sunnis which are 80% or whatever of the population, how many have heard of him? How many take him seriously? I know people are supposed to shun even Prophets, but 20 years and nothing?

Which religious figures has he spoken to? Is there any proof that this has happened?

I am an open minded person, but there doesn't seem much proof in 20 years, otherwise we would have more proof. Even the Mirza Mahroor Ahmed has more evidence of getting about and talking to people and he has been head of the movement for less than 20 years. He's not even credible. So if this Ahmed Al-Hassan is credible... Do you get my jist?

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1 minute ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Pretty much, if you do not know what it means, how could I argue with you since you not know what personality Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) would possess ?

Ahmed al Hassan is not claiming to be Imam Mohammed Ibn Al Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))

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1 minute ago, aaljibar said:

Ahmed al Hassan is not claiming to be Imam Mohammed Ibn Al Hassan Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))

He is claiming to be his son right ? why don't do his DNA 

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Do you know what DNA Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) had or how to figure out an Imam's DNA from a non-Imam Syed ?

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If you do not know then why believe in such lies ?

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2 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Okay. So I watched the video. 

So he started his mission in 1999, why has nobody heard of him? If he had twenty years of work, you wouldn't get these videos with low view count. Like, Sunnis which are 80% or whatever of the population, how many have heard of him? How many take him seriously? I know people are supposed to shun even Prophets, but 20 years and nothing?

Which religious figures has he spoken to? Is there any proof that this has happened?

I am an open minded person, but there doesn't seem much proof in 20 years, otherwise we would have more proof. Even the Mirza Mahroor Ahmed has more evidence of getting about and talking to people and he has been head of the movement for less than 20 years. He's not even credible. So if this Ahmed Al-Hassan is credible... Do you get my jist?

It is said that he met with Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) in 1999 and his da'wah didn't go public until 2002 in Najaf and even then it was limited to a very few people. Saddam Hussein started to chase him because it's said that Saddam Hussein wanted anyone named "Ahmed" arrested. So he escaped for a few months until 2003. In around 2007 he started to gain some media attention until when finally he started a Facebook page in 2012 which currently has over 1 million followers. Since then he's written many books and has numerous amounts of followers around the world.

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Do you think that those whom Allah (عزّ وجلّ) chooses, he would leave them like strangers in this world and will not help him with authority that are moral and physical. A Prophet never learns from any infallible person for if he learns than infallible becomes his master and has guided him and one whom infallible guides is lying upon Allah that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) choose for him a teacher which can make mistakes and therefore Allah (عزّ وجلّ) has did mistake as well. 

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2 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

If you do not know then why believe in such lies ?

Have you done meaningful research to call it a lie?

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Any simple Muslim could declare him a kaffir by such reasoning and there is no need of a recognized qazi for him.

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1 minute ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Do you think that those whom Allah (عزّ وجلّ) chooses, he would leave them like strangers in this world and will not help him with authority that are moral and physical. A Prophet never learns from any infallible person for if he learns than infallible becomes his master and has guided him and one whom infallible guides is lying upon Allah that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) choose for him a teacher which can make mistakes and therefore Allah (عزّ وجلّ) has did mistake as well. 

1. What makes you think that Ahmed al Hassan is a stranger in this world and he is not receiving an moral or physical help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

2. Who said that Ahmed al Hassan is learning from an infallible?

Brother where are you getting your claims from.

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Just now, aaljibar said:

1. What makes you think that Ahmed al Hassan is a stranger in this world and he is not receiving an moral or physical help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

2. Who said that Ahmed al Hassan is learning from an infallible?

Brother where are you getting your claims from.

brother from truthful sources

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10 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

He is claiming to be his son right ? why don't do his DNA 

 

8 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

Do you know what DNA Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) had or how to figure out an Imam's DNA from a non-Imam Syed ?

 

7 minutes ago, Flying_Eagle said:

If you do not know then why believe in such lies ?

Let's say we got his DNA for you. How do we then know he's related to Imam al Mahdi ((عليه السلام))?

We have hadeeths that Imam Al Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) has children.