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Salam,

One of the verses that we use to prove Aisha and Hafsa were not believers is of course this verse from Surah al-Tahreem:

"It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allah), believers, obedient to Allah, turning to Allah in repentance, worshipping Allah sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allah's sake), previously married and virgins."

A common argument which you may hear many speakers argue is that the apparent meaning of the verse is that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is mentioning qualities which Hafsa and Aisha do not have (Muslim, believing, devout etc.).

However, one objection to this argument is that the verse also mentions virgins, which most people say Aisha was a virgin, and the verse mentions previously married, which Hafsa was and some say Aisha was as well. So the verse contains two qualities which Aisha and Hafsa did have. So therefore, it follows that the other qualities the verse mentions, Aisha and Hafsa may still have those qualities.

I was thinking, maybe a way to counter this objection is the fact that the qualities of being believers and being obedient and repentant etc. are qualities which will get one closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). However, from my knowledge being a virgin or previously married doesn't necessarily get one closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So basically, the verse isn't making the quality of being a virgin or previously married as something which makes for a better wife and person. What the verse may be saying is that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can give the Prophet (s) better wives who are either Muslim, believing, obedient etc., virgins or Muslim, believing, obedient etc. previously married women.

So the argument is still valid in that the verse mention qualities which Hafsa and Aisha don't have. Thoughts?

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1 minute ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

However, one objection to this argument is that the verse also mentions virgins, which most people say Aisha was a virgin, and the verse mentions previously married, which Hafsa was and some say Aisha was as well. So the verse contains two qualities which Aisha and Hafsa did have. So therefore, it follows that the other qualities the verse mentions, Aisha and Hafsa may still have those qualities.

They were both infertile (couldn’t produce children) and had no offspring.

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6 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Or how about the fact that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would not be married to non-believers.....

He treats people by the “exterior,” not the “interior,” by their outward behavior. And the rest is for God to judge in, just like Lot and Noah and their wives.

6 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

Why would Aisha be a virgin she's married.

She was infertile, just as her “friend” (counterpart; mentioned above) was. Being married doesn’t mean instant production.

I know a friend of mine, whose sister got betrothed five years ago, and I was invited to her wedding... and to this day, she didn’t bear a child.

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4 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Or how about the fact that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would not be married to non-believers.....

Yeah I guess the reply to this would be that Aisha and Hafsa were non-believers in the sense that they  were hypocrites. In reality hypocrites are kafir but since they don't openly do kufr the rules of Islam still apply to them

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7 minutes ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

Yeah I guess the reply to this would be that Aisha and Hafsa were non-believers in the sense that they  were hypocrites. In reality hypocrites are kafir but since they don't openly do kufr the rules of Islam still apply to them

Yes. And many after his death committed hideous acts (and some in his lifetime, whom he divorced)... see (this wife). She became an apostate after his death, married the son of this disbeliever, and followed this liar. All according to the books of those that oppose us, but they don’t propagate it, as they much as they propagate other things, because then, it’ll mean the end of their belief, that all of the wives were holy women - which also contradicts our holy book, which plainly (for those that have functioning brains) call out the wives of Lot and Noah as disbelievers, and women of hell.

Not to mention Zipporah, the wife of Moses, that fought against his successor, Joshua, in a historic battle, where he crushed her and defeated her army.
(How surprising and similar!) However, if I were to mention all of the wives that committed such acts, it
’d be considered as spam, perhaps.

Wives are a “borrowed link,” it could be cut if the wife is bad, or could stay as it is, and become bolder, if she’s good. Same goes for husbands.
I mentioned wives here, since we’re speaking about Prophets, which are men (husbands).

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15 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

He treats people by the “exterior,” not the “interior,” by their outward behavior. And the rest is for God to judge in, just like Lot and Noah and their wives.

She was infertile, just as her “friend” (counterpart; mentioned above) was. Being married doesn’t mean instant production.

I know a friend of mine, whose sister got betrothed five years ago, and I was invited to her wedding... and to this day, she didn’t bear a child.

I said virging, not childless. But how did they know she was infertile?

Allah let Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) know about other hypocrites. He would have let him know of a wife. Aisha was his favorite wife.

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7 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Yes. And many after his death committed hideous acts (and some in his lifetime, whom he divorced)... see (this wife). She became an apostate after his death, married the son of this disbeliever, and followed this liar. All according to the books of those that oppose us, but they don’t propagate it, as they much as they propagate other things, because then, it’ll mean the end of their belief, that all of the wives were holy women - which also contradicts our holy book, which plainly (for those that have functioning brains) call out the wives of Lot and Noah as disbelievers, and women of hell.

They only say the wives of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) were "holy".

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4 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

I said virging, not childless.

As for being a virgin, there are many traditions that indicate, that before him, they had married other men.

4 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

But how did they know she was infertile?

She didn’t bear children, and couldn’t. And the passage above mentions that.

4 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

Aisha was his favorite wife.

Except, she wasn’t. Sayyida Kḫādīja was. Aisha herself says that she’s jealous of her.

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5 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

They only say the wives of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) were "holy".

How are they going to explain how one of his wives, Qātīla, became an apostate (disbelieved in God), married the son of A'bu Jāhl and followed Musāylīmāh the Liar?

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29 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

As for being a virgin, there are many traditions that indicate, that before him, they had married other men.

She didn’t bear children, and couldn’t. And the passage above mentions that.

Except, she wasn’t. Sayyida Kḫādīja was. Aisha herself says that she’s jealous of her.

I don’t agree that they were infertility, the mother of believers umm salama ((رضي الله عنه)) had children from her previous husband but when she married the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)), she did not bear any children from him. If I’m not wrong, she ((رضي الله عنه)) was from her early 30’s when he married him ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). 

I think the mother of believers were practicing birth control.

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..The only accounts we have of Ayesha are either from Qur’an, the word of God or from her own descriptions. The sayings of the Holy Prophet are completely muted praising her. Qur’an has indeed mentioned her in multiple places, denouncing her one action or the other. In one occasion she was found bullying a wife of the Prophet who was a converted daughter of a Jewish noble on account of her lineage. On this occasion, the Merciful God revealed, “Not let women ridicule other women; perhaps they may be better than them.” The Holy Prophet had told that wife to next time reply Ayesha in words like ‘Moses is her father, Aaron is her uncle, and Muhammad is her husband’. In the other two places, the divine revelations suggested to the Holy Prophet to divorce her for her musings. On one occasion she was called a person of ‘twisted heart’. In another place where she was falsely accused of an indecent act testified to her gullibility where she could not keep herself in the manners she was supposed to in the presence of strange men. This event was called the event of the False Accusation or ‘Ifk’ in the Qur’an. The Holy Prophet had quit bringing her to out of town excursions after the event of Ifk and remained separated from her for a month after this.

Source: Prophet Muhammad (A Young Adult's Guide to the Early History of Islam) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1790469651

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4 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

They were both infertile (couldn’t produce children) and had no offspring.

I personally believe that a Muslim should not implies towards a biological weakness or infirmity as his or her being or lower value but Iman. As pointing out towards bodily infirmity is actually implying towards what he or she could not amend but one should speak about their such faults at which they had authority to change but they did not change. Prophet (PBUHHP) was not hurt by Bibi Ayesha or Bibi Hafsa due to their infertility but their lack of obedience.  

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5 hours ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

 

Salam,

One of the verses that we use to prove Aisha and Hafsa were not believers is of course this verse from Surah al-Tahreem:

"It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allah), believers, obedient to Allah, turning to Allah in repentance, worshipping Allah sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allah's sake), previously married and virgins."

A common argument which you may hear many speakers argue is that the apparent meaning of the verse is that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is mentioning qualities which Hafsa and Aisha do not have (Muslim, believing, devout etc.).

However, one objection to this argument is that the verse also mentions virgins, which most people say Aisha was a virgin, and the verse mentions previously married, which Hafsa was and some say Aisha was as well. So the verse contains two qualities which Aisha and Hafsa did have. So therefore, it follows that the other qualities the verse mentions, Aisha and Hafsa may still have those qualities.

I was thinking, maybe a way to counter this objection is the fact that the qualities of being believers and being obedient and repentant etc. are qualities which will get one closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). However, from my knowledge being a virgin or previously married doesn't necessarily get one closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So basically, the verse isn't making the quality of being a virgin or previously married as something which makes for a better wife and person. What the verse may be saying is that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can give the Prophet (s) better wives who are either Muslim, believing, obedient etc., virgins or Muslim, believing, obedient etc. previously married women.

So the argument is still valid in that the verse mention qualities which Hafsa and Aisha don't have. Thoughts?

 

و عليكم السلام و رحمتاالله

Seems legit, though the Sunni/Shia thingy is going on for too long now. I would say 1400 years is enough. It takes everyone in the Ummah so long to come to a conclusion as if people distorted our beliefs. Is Allah really going to question us about this? We have millions of ulema and still no clear proofs/ and or ijma about certain topics. And Allah is looking at us debating anything and we sometimes make it worse with that. Inshallah we will find truth and unite with Allah without doubting our belief.

 

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7 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

As for being a virgin, there are many traditions that indicate, that before him, they had married other men.

She didn’t bear children, and couldn’t. And the passage above mentions that.

Except, she wasn’t. Sayyida Kḫādīja was. Aisha herself says that she’s jealous of her.

It doesnt say she couldn't have children. She didn't have children. That doesn't make her infertile.I mean from among those later on. Point being he loved Aisha very much.

 

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7 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

How are they going to explain how one of his wives, Qātīla, became an apostate (disbelieved in God), married the son of A'bu Jāhl and followed Musāylīmāh the Liar?

Never heard of such a wife. Reference?

Aisha was a virgin by the way

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8 hours ago, Aragaia said:

Never heard of such a wife. Reference?

Aisha was a virgin by the way

It’s in your books. This is in Al-Istīʿāb Fi Māʿrifāt al-Aṣḥāb, number 3279. And in Al-Tabaqāt al-Kubrā, volume 10, page 142, number 4970, (or volume 8, page 147, other print).

Here, I underlined the part where she became a disbeliever (an apostate). And she was a one of his wives. So, is this disbeliever also your “umm al-mumineen?”

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1 hour ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

It’s in your books. This is in Al-Istīʿāb Fi Māʿrifāt al-Aṣḥāb, number 3279. And in Al-Tabaqāt al-Kubrā, volume 10, page 142, number 4970, (or volume 8, page 147, other print). 

Here, I underlined the part where she became a disbeliever (an apostate). And she was a one of his wives. So, is this disbeliever also your “umm al-mumineen?”

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Do you mean Qutayla bint Qays? The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) either married her or got engaged with her shortly before his death. Their marriage was never consummated and she was never considered one of the mothers of the believers.

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One of your prominent mufāsīrin (exegetes), Fākḫr al-Dīn al-Rāzī, says in his book, Māfatīḥ al-Ḡhāyb, volume 30, page 44, in the tafsir of these passages:

(66:4-5)

“If you two [wives] repent to God, for your hearts have certainly swerved [strayed], and if you back each other against him, then [know that] God is indeed his guardian, Gabriel, the righteous among the faithful, and thereafter, the angels are his supporters.
 
“It may be that if he divorces you, his Lord will give him, in [your] stead, wives better than you: [such as are] Muslim, faithful, obedient, penitent, devout and given to fasting, virgins and non-virgins.
 
That the two wives are Aisha and Hafsah. See for yourself!
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Do you know what happens if God, the faithful and his angels oppose you? (As it was in the situation of Aisha and her friend)...

[Say,] ‘Whoever is an enemy of Allah, His angels and His apostles, and Gabriel and Michael, [let him know that] God is indeed the enemy of the disbelievers.’ (2:98)

50 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

Do you mean Qutayla bint Qays? The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) either married her or got engaged with her shortly before his death. Their marriage was never consummated and she was never considered one of the mothers of the believers.

Who says? I want the words of a prominent scholar. I showed you the words of many of your prominent scholars (and tabiʿin) that regarded her as one of his wives...

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Fākḫr al-Dīn al-Rāzī also says in his book, Māfatīḥ al-Ḡhāyb, volume 30, page 49, in the tafsir of this verse:

God draws an example for the disbelievers: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of our righteous servants, yet they betrayed them. So, they did not avail them in any way against God, and it was said [to them], ‘Enter the Fire, along with those who enter [it].’ (66:10)

That God likened Aisha and Hafsah to the wives of Lot and Noah, the two disbelievers that’ll enter hellfire!
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9 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

One of your prominent mufāsīrin (exegetes), Fākḫr al-Dīn al-Rāzī, says in his book, Māfatīḥ al-Ḡhāyb, volume 30, page 44, in the tafsir of these passages:

(66:4-5)

“If you two [wives] repent to God, for your hearts have certainly swerved [strayed], and if you back each other against him, then [know that] God is indeed his guardian, Gabriel, the righteous among the faithful, and thereafter, the angels are his supporters.
 
“It may be that if he divorces you, his Lord will give him, in [your] stead, wives better than you: [such as are] Muslim, faithful, obedient, penitent, devout and given to fasting, virgins and non-virgins.
That the two wives are Aisha and Hafsah. See for yourself!
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Do you know what happens if God, the faithful and his angels oppose you? (As it was in the situation of Aisha and her friend)...

[Say,] ‘Whoever is an enemy of Allah, His angels and His apostles, and Gabriel and Michael, [let him know that] God is indeed the enemy of the disbelievers.’ (2:98)

Who says? I want the words of a prominent scholar. I showed you the words of many of your prominent scholars (and tabiʿin) that regarded her as one of his wives...

Sheikh Gibril Haddad for instance

https://eshaykh.com/history/Prophets-wives/

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– Qutayla bint Qays b. Ma`dikarb  al-Kindiyya the sister of al-Ash`ath b. Qays (a.k.a. Qayla bint Qays). Al-Zurqani says the Prophet married her shortly before he left this world and the marriage was never consummated.

You want to misinterpret the Qur'an as suits your advantage. The verse doesn't support your absurd claims on any way. Allah described a good Muslim wife. That doesn't mean his description must be the exact contrary to the wives you or the Qur'an mentions.

 

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16 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

You want to misinterpret the Qur'an as suits your advantage. The verse doesn't support your absurd claims on any way. Allah described a good Muslim wife. That doesn't mean his description must be the exact contrary to the wives you or the Qur'an mentions.

Whoa, buddy. I didn’t interpret it to suit my advantage... go sue your clerics! They’re the ones that said that, not me. Go tell them that they’re absurd.

16 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

Sheikh Gibril Haddad for instance

I don’t even know this man... whilst, if you were to ask any of your clerics about the one I told you about, all will know him.

16 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

The verse doesn't support your absurd claims on any way. Allah described a good Muslim wife.

I’ll go with what you said, for the sake of the argument. However, how are you going to explain their swerving? Factually speaking, there isn’t one tradition (or verse) that one of them repented, and even if there is, there’ll still be a necessity of proving it.. e.g., that God accepted their repentance.. and that isn’t proved.

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4 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Whoa, buddy. I didn’t interpret it to suit my advantage... go sue your clerics! They’re the ones that said that, not me. Go tell them that they’re absurd.

I don’t even know this man... whilst, if you were to ask any of your clerics about the one I told you about, all will know him.

I’ll go with what you said, for the sake of the argument. However, how are you going to explain their swerving? Factually speaking, there isn’t one tradition (or verse) that one of them repented, and even if there is, there’ll still be a necessity of proving it.. e.g., that God accepted their repentance.. and that isn’t proved.

I’d like to ask though... Where are you from?

So one of them repented. Yunus repented, David repented. Everyone repents. That's what we're here for.

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2 minutes ago, Aragaia said:

So one of them repented. Yunus repented, David repented. Everyone repents. That's what we're here for.

I never said that one of them repented. I asked you to bring me proof that one of them repented, and that God accepted their repentance.

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12 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

I never said that one of them repented. I asked you to bring me proof that one of them repented, and that God accepted their repentance.

Sorry, I misread. I think there's proof enough in the authentic hadith and the Qur'an in that it gives no indication they hadn't but instead says that if they don't surely Allah and the angels and the  believers will back him up. but I don't think it is relevant to prove especially in the Qur'an. The Qur'an is not a biography.

 

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On 6/11/2019 at 1:35 PM, Aragaia said:

They only say the wives of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) were "holy".

It is well known recorded fact in history of Islam that Aisha , the wife of the Prophet s.a.aw went leading her army to fight with fourth caliph of Sunnis and 1st Imam of Shia Ali bin Abi Talb AS. in battle of Camel ie Jamal. This battle resulted in killing of thousands of Muslim from both sides.

I like to mention the following verses of Qur'an in  comparison to her such acts:

وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ

And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. (33:33)
 

وَمَن يَقْنُتْ مِنكُنَّ لِلَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَتَعْمَلْ صَالِحًا نُّؤْتِهَا أَجْرَهَا مَرَّتَيْنِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهَا رِزْقًا كَرِيمًا

And whoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger and does good, We will give to her her reward doubly, and We have prepared for her an honorable sustenance. (33:31)

يَا نِسَاءَ النَّبِيِّ مَن يَأْتِ مِنكُنَّ بِفَاحِشَةٍ مُّبَيِّنَةٍ يُضَاعَفْ لَهَا الْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ ۚ وَكَانَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرًا

O wives of the Prophet! whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this is easy to Allah. (33:30)

Wasalam

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Guest Sunni

this is sad, the Prophet died in the house of his beloved wife Aisha in fact he died while his head was on her chest. subhanallah making takfir on your mother. what bad followers of the Prophet you are. 

 

ridiculous, and just shameful. 

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2 hours ago, Guest Sunni said:

this is sad, the Prophet died in the house of his beloved wife Aisha in fact he died while his head was on her chest. subhanallah making takfir on your mother. what bad followers of the Prophet you are. 

 

ridiculous, and just shameful. 

They are not our mothers the way you understand it. No one is doing any takfir to them, just stating the historical fact of what they did. In Shia viewpoint they are worst in reliability and are know for hating and being jealousy to the members of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام). 

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2 hours ago, Guest Sunni said:

this is sad, the Prophet died in the house of his beloved wife Aisha in fact he died while his head was on her chest. subhanallah making takfir on your mother. what bad followers of the Prophet you are.

1. The wives of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) are mother of nation / ummah yes it is believed in the light of verses of Qur'an because no one can marry them after the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). This is a pride exclusively for the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and not for his wives.

2.  Do the Sunni take verses of Qur'an first as source of their religion or hadith ? If you take verses of Qur'an as first source of religion  then these are above the hadith text that you are quoting by keeping the eyes closed from the truth.

I have just quoted the verses where the wives of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) are addressed by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) thyslef. How do consider the quoting of the verses of Qur'an as takfir?

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When did the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) divorce Ashia (رضي الله عنه)?

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58 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

They are not our mothers the way you understand it. No one is doing any takfir to them, just stating the historical fact of what they did. In Shia viewpoint they are worst in reliability and are know for hating and being jealousy to the members of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام). 

Do you really believe that the title Mothers of the Believers did not grant them a certain status no matter what happened before?

And even though they made grave mistakes or commited grave sins didn't both Allah and the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) forgave them?

And if no why did't he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) divorced her?

What about Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?

He (عليه السلام) did not punish her (رضي الله عنه) and gave her a worthy escort home after she (رضي الله عنه) lost the Battle of Jamal.

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1 hour ago, Faruk said:

When did the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) divorce Ashia (رضي الله عنه)?

Brother if you are referring to my post then it is clarified I have not mentioned any where that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) divorced Aisha.

1 hour ago, Faruk said:

And if no why did't he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) divorced her?

What about Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?

He (عليه السلام) did not punish her (رضي الله عنه) and gave her a worthy escort home after she (رضي الله عنه) lost the Battle of Jamal.

The matter of not divorcing her seems similar to the behavior with the people of Makkah  including hypocrites who were present at time of conquest of Makkah. But the Prophet did not take them out or punish and just did not give attention to their matter.

Imam Ali AS did send Aisha back because he exhibited the same manner as was showed by the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) at the time of conquest of Makakh to his opponents including the hypocrites.

wasalam

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2 hours ago, Faruk said:

Do you really believe that the title Mothers of the Believers did not grant them a certain status no matter what happened before?

It does grand them certain status, I don't want to sound here that is not important title.

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And even though they made grave mistakes or commited grave sins didn't both Allah and the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) forgave them?

 And if no why did't he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) divorced her?

Perhaps in the time of Prophet (saws) but after him is another story.

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 What about Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?

 He (عليه السلام) did not punish her (رضي الله عنه) and gave her a worthy escort home after she (رضي الله عنه) lost the Battle of Jamal.

This is the first fitnah, and punishing a daughter of man who many Muslims hold him in high status and wife of the Prophet (saws) will only cause more fire to the fitnah. Imam Ali (عليه السلام) always see how he can benefit the religion of Islam.

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On 6/12/2019 at 10:43 PM, Abu Nur said:

Perhaps in the time of Prophet (saws) but after him is another story.

How do you know?

 

On 6/12/2019 at 10:43 PM, Abu Nur said:

This is the first fitnah, and punishing a daughter of man who many Muslims hold him in high status and wife of the Prophet (saws) will only cause more fire to the fitnah. Imam Ali (عليه السلام) always see how he can benefit the religion of Islam.

The intention of a man is between him and Allah.

What we know is that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) treated her (رضي الله عنه) well.

Be a Shiatul Ali and follow his footsteps.

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