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AmirioTheMuzzy

r/Islam is the WORST. Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam.

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Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted.

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I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. 

Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting.

Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. 

Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic?

Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises.

Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority.

Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given.

...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah.

...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense.


Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?"

...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi"

[yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...]

I would love to hear your thoughts.

Wassalam.

JazakAllah Khair.

Fi sabilillah.

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4 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

ok... I went a bit overboard on the tags :hahaha:

Makes me think of that song... How does it go?

"I'm going to pop some tags, got 20 gigs mobile data..."

Moving on...

I'll name one- Imam Ali ibn Hussain. Most people who adhere to Sunni thought will never have heard of Al-Sahifa Al-Sajjaddiya, despite it being a profoundly deep book of supplications which can be applied to our lives. Even if we didn't recite them word for word, reading these supplications inspires us to seek Allah in similar ways. It shouldn't be that a Sunni only hears about Imam Ali ibn Hussain if they get curious and flick through Ahlul Bayt TV, as was the case with me. If people know about Al-Ghazali, someone who people of Sunni ideology often see as a great thinker and writer, then they must know Imam Ali ibn Hussain. 

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They talk about Abu Huraira, Khalid bin waleed, Talha, zubair. Why do they never mention Salman Farsi and Bilal(رضي الله عنه)? Are they not Sahabas?

What about Abu Dharr Ghaffari(رضي الله عنه)one of the earliest people to convert to Islam, why is he never mentioned ?? Because Abu Dharr Ghaffari opposed Muawiyah.

Miqdad bin Awsad (رضي الله عنه) another companion. I can bet most Sunnis have never even heard of him.

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

I'd like to read the results of the OP

I think it would be more beneficial if a more knowledgeable user like yourself compiled the final list.

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What bothers me is that in the ilm rijal of Sunni hadith literature the testimonies of those considered shi'I are rejected.

While shi'I was a very broad term. It could be a rafidi but also one who rejected the usurpation of the caliphate by Yazid, agreed with Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) but still considered the Rashidun caliphs as legitimate. The uprisings consisted of a coalition of diffirent sects like mutazilites, ahnaf, khawarij abbasids and extinct Shi'I sub-sects, pre-Twelver sects and ghulat sects, all if not the majority of them considered to be shi'is.

In case of serious research this should be raken into considersation as an important fact.

Point is that Sunni ahaadith literarure is in favour of the Umayyad usurpation at the cost of those who supported Imam Hussain (عليه السلام).

Edited by Faruk

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43 minutes ago, starlight said:

They talk about Abu Huraira, Khalid bin waleed, Talha, zubair. Why do they never mention Salman Farsi and Bilal(رضي الله عنه)? Are they not Sahabas?

What about Abu Dharr Ghaffari(رضي الله عنه)one of the earliest people to convert to Islam, why is he never mentioned ?? Because Abu Dharr Ghaffari opposed Muawiyah.

Miqdad bin Awsad (رضي الله عنه) another companion. I can bet most Sunnis have never even heard of him.

Because the Umayyads hid behind the Rashidun caliphs and their claimed legitimacy that a caliph should be only from Quraish (and not only Bani Hashim). The hadith of the ten promised Paradise is one of their tools too cement it further.

The most revered Shi'is were non-Arabs, non-Quraishi's or insignificant Quraishi's.

To venerate those was of no benefit to their (Umayyad) claims.

Edited by Faruk

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4 minutes ago, Faruk said:

Because the Umayyads hid behind the Rashidun caliphs and their claimed legitimacy that a caliph should be only from Quraish. The hadith of the ten promised Paradise is one of its tools.

The most revered Shi'is were non-Arabs, non-Quraish or insignificant Quraishi's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_ten_with_glad_tidings_of_paradise#Shiite_view

Wikipedia destroys this Hadith :hahaha:

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5 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

The order in itself is laughable to begin with. It starts with the exact order of the Rashidun Caliphs. How obvious.

There are numbers of naieve people who consider this to be a sign.

I am immune for such lists as I can immediately smell the political motives of it.

Edited by Faruk

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The sad truth is that most of the Ahlul Bayt that went to Karbala are not given the respect or attention by other schools of thought. Ask them who Zainab was and what she did, she would be considered up there with Maryam, Fatima and Asiya if only they bothered to find out. I am yet to find anyone in my community who knows of Zainab bint Ali. 

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