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The Role of Zoroastrianism in the Development of Shiaism

Al-Ihqaqi said, �The catastrophes that befell both the Iranian and Roman Empires were because of the Muslim invasion and the Arab treatment. The newly converts who were not accustomed much with the spirit of Islam, had implanted in their hearts hate to the Arabs and to their customs. This was because the conquerors were uncivilized Bedouins who ravaged and destroyed their beautiful cities and cultivated lands, in the east and the west. The thirsty worshippers of carnal desires raided the chastity and honour of these two empires...... (Risalatul Emaan,p.323, Mirza Hasan al Haieeri al-Ihqaqi, As Sadiq library, Kuwait)

According to this Shiite al-Ihqaqi, the noble companions who conquered Persia ,the superpower of the time, with zeal and faith were early Bedouins, who worshipped their carnal desires and they spread havoc and destruction. And this is the main reason why many Shiite Iranians have hatred towards Umar ibn al-Khattab because the later overrun the mighty and arrogant Persian Empire.

In the Iranian city of Keyshan, there is a street by the name of Firouzi. By the side of this road lies the ground of Firouzi which holds the tomb of Abu Lu�lu al-Majusi the killer of Umar. The Shiite Iranians call him �Baba Shujahudeen� or the �brave of religion� and they present their respect and condolences to him on the day he died. By giving the attribute of �Baba Shujahudeen� to Abu lu�lu leaves two impressions:

Firstly it makes it clear the Abu Lu�Lu is the spiritual father of the Shiites.

Secondly the attribution of �Shujahudeen� shows that the Zoroastrian religion is the real religion for them. Thus the religion of the Rawafid is a mere Magian sect.

The same is the reason behind the exaltation of the descendents of Imam Hussein(ra) solely, and not of the progeny of Imam Hassan(ra). This is because the descendents of Hussein are their own Persian brethren as Imam Hussein(ra) was married to ShahrBano the daughter of Yazgard who was the last Persian Empire. [shiite source: Bihaarul Anwar 45:329]

One is amazed to see that the Shiites weep over the martyrdom of Imam Hussein(ra) whereas they never weep over the martyrdom of his brother Abu Bakr ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib and over the martyrdom of his son Abu Bakr. Those who bear those names are from the Ahlul Bayt also. Why negligence? Is it because they have names which are disliked by the Rafadhis and by announcing it to their Shiite listeners would expose the love of the Ahlul Bayt to the companions especially to Abu Bakr and Umar?

Shiite muhaditeen like Abu Faraj al-Isfahani in his Muqatil at-Talibeen-p.88,142,188; Al-Arbali in his Kashful Ghumamah vol.2,p.64; and Majlisi in Jila el-ou�ioun 582 stated that amongst those who were martyred with Hussein in Karbala were Abu Bakr ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib and Abu Bakr ibn Hussein ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib.

Why doesn�t the ceremonies held during Ashoora not mention the names of the following who were martyred with Hussein:

Umar ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib

Abu Bakr ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib

Uthman ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib

Abu Bakr ibn Hassan ibn Ali

Umar ibn Hassan ibn Ali

Abu Bakr ibn Hussein ibn Ali

Umar ibn Hussein ibn Ali

Uthman ibn Hussein ibn Ali.

Is it because that the likes of Abu Bakr and Umar wiped out the Sassanid arrogance and for this reason mentioning their names are unbearable?

Muhammad Ali Mu�zi, an Iranian Shiite researcher in France has stated with pride: �The basic fundamentals of the Zoroastrian religion has entered into Shiaism even in some minute issues. The marriage of Imam Hussein with the daughter of the last Sassanid Empire is a symbol of ancient Iran as Shahrbano became the first mother or lady for the Iranian nation. And this relationship marked the brotherhood between Shiaism and the ancient Magian Iran.�

For this reason they exalt Salman al-Farsi regardless of the other companions in so much that they claimed about him that he used to receive revelations because he was a �Persian�. (Shiite source: Rijaal Kashshi)

For this reason we see in their works that Ali ibn Abi Talib said with respect to Kisraa: �God has saved him from the punishment of hell fire, and hell is made forbidden for him.� [shiite source: Bihaarul Anwar 41:14]

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(bismillah)

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O YOU WHO BELIEVE! IF AN EVIL DOER COMES TO YOU WITH A REPORT, LOOK CAREFULLY INTO IT, LEST YOU HARM A PEOPLE IN IGNORANCE,THEN BE SORRY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.(surah hujarat ,Al-Quran)

The above article by Ali0009 , can be sumed up as mere lack of proper knowledge and understanding, and an absolute ignorance of historical facts.

Now to begin with, any person aware of islamic history will tell you Iran was overwhemingly Sunni after the conquest by the arab aramies of Umar ibn Khattab, it remained Sunni for centuries on end until the Safavids imposed Shia Islam as the state religion in Iran in the SIXTEENTH CENTURY.

So how come Shia islam originated from Magian Persia?

The greatest Sunni scholars like Bukhari etc were from Iran, does it imply they were influenced by Zorastrians??

This is a stupid article, which lacks any historical relevance......Shia of Ahlul bayt (as) were always arabs and also inhabitants of Qom etc initially, only after Imam Ali ibn Musa`Redha(AS) visited TOOS in Iran ,Shia islam got an impetus in Iran.

Plus who says Shia"s dont commemerate the martydom of Imam Hassan (as) ?? Absolute ignorance or what......Regarding Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr's killing, well who killed him, and who put his body in the skin of a donkey and burnt it, well the answer is the very sunni Ibn Hudayj a soldier of Amr ibn al As, the favourite of Mauwiya.....

Regarding Abu Lolo ( the killer of Umar al khattab), give me a break, the Zorastrians held him as hero, and shia, as there were no shia in Iran at that time, his grave is revered by them only to this day...............

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HONESTLY A REALLY FOOLISH COPY PASTE JOB, I wonder at the level of ignorance of the poster..........

"O you who believe, let not a folk ridicule another folk who may be better than they are; nor should women ridicule other women who may be better than them. Neither defame one another nor insult one another by calling names. That is the name of lewdness after faith and whoso turns not in repentance, such are evildoers." (ch. 49, v.11 Al-Quran)

And by the way , read this: http://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/default....iran/mutual.htm

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The Role of Zoroastrianism in the Development of Shiaism

Al-Ihqaqi said, �The catastrophes that befell both the Iranian and Roman Empires were because of the Muslim invasion and the Arab treatment. The newly converts who were not accustomed much with the spirit of Islam, had implanted in their hearts hate to the Arabs and to their customs. This was because the conquerors were uncivilized Bedouins who ravaged and destroyed their beautiful cities and cultivated lands, in the east and the west. The thirsty worshippers of carnal desires raided the chastity and honour of these two empires...... (Risalatul Emaan,p.323, Mirza Hasan al Haieeri al-Ihqaqi, As Sadiq library, Kuwait)

Most Arabs ( Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians, Iraqis) know that the Bedouin people of the Gulf are uncultured and unsophisticated.

In the Iranian city of Keyshan, there is a street by the name of Firouzi. By the side of this road lies the ground of Firouzi which holds the tomb of Abu Lu�lu al-Majusi the killer of Umar. The Shiite Iranians call him �Baba Shujahudeen� or the �brave of religion� and they present their respect and condolences to him on the day he died. By giving the attribute of �Baba Shujahudeen� to Abu lu�lu leaves two impressions:

Firstly it makes it clear the Abu Lu�Lu is the spiritual father of the Shiites.

Pirouz was a Magian but he did a deed worthy of a Shia.

The same is the reason behind the exaltation of the descendents of Imam Hussein(ra) solely, and not of the progeny of Imam Hassan(ra). This is because the descendents of Hussein are their own Persian brethren as Imam Hussein(ra) was married to ShahrBano the daughter of Yazgard who was the last Persian Empire. [shiite source: Bihaarul Anwar 45:329]

This appears to be true.

One is amazed to see that the Shiites weep over the martyrdom of Imam Hussein(ra) whereas they never weep over the martyrdom of his brother Abu Bakr ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib and over the martyrdom of his son Abu Bakr. Those who bear those names are from the Ahlul Bayt also. Why negligence? Is it because they have names which are disliked by the Rafadhis and by announcing it to their Shiite listeners would expose the love of the Ahlul Bayt to the companions especially to Abu Bakr and Umar?

Abu Bakr and Umar opposed and usurped Ali and the ahlulbait.

Is it because that the likes of Abu Bakr and Umar wiped out the Sassanid arrogance and for this reason mentioning their names are unbearable?

No, Umar is hated because his was a way of the seeking of anfal and war over Islam and peace. He ravaged Iran as a plunderer and barbarian, not as a Muslim. Would Ali have done these terrible acts against the Persians? He was a warrior but not a pirate.

Muhammad Ali Mu�zi, an Iranian Shiite researcher in France has stated with pride: �The basic fundamentals of the Zoroastrian religion has entered into Shiaism even in some minute issues. The marriage of Imam Hussein with the daughter of the last Sassanid Empire is a symbol of ancient Iran as Shahrbano became the first mother or lady for the Iranian nation. And this relationship marked the brotherhood between Shiaism and the ancient Magian Iran.�

No, most of what Shiism shares with Zoroastrianism is also shared with Sunnism.

For this reason they exalt Salman al-Farsi regardless of the other companions in so much that they claimed about him that he used to receive revelations because he was a �Persian�. (Shiite source: Rijaal Kashshi)

There is actually a verse about this in the Qur'an where Muhammad defends himself from those who thought Salman was teaching him.

"We know indeed that they say, ?It is a man that teaches him,? The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear."
(16:103) Edited by Muraqib ul tarighat

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Allah curse the animals that plundered my nation and raped its daughters, they were indeed no different to the zionists and crusaders. any of us here would stand to defend our nation against such an invasion, can anyone answer why a single innocent iranian defender needed to die at their hands? does the thread starter have any understanding of what his 'noble' companions were doing? were they spreading islam? is God's truth so limp and helpless and pathetic that it cannot spread but with the aid of 'noble' Omar's sword? is this Islam? killing people fulfilling their natural God given instinct and duty of defending their nation against invasion, and then stealing their daughters as sex slaves, this is islam and this is how we spread islam? the thread opener you should never dare criticise Israel or whine about the crusades ever again, your 'noble' companions are the soul mates and twins and mirror images of these people and the only difference between them is that an Israeli soldier who kidnaps a woman will face trial in his nation, the 'noble' companion who didnt kidnap a woman would be given one anyway as part of his 'booty'. your 'noble' companions down the toilet, Allah bless the hero of Iran, the shoja of the deen, and that deen being none but true Islam, Firooz Abu Lulu :wub: i love him so much, im thinking of getting his name tattoed on my arms...this awesome thread its like tripled my love for him i cant believe how much i love him!!!!

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and there is no problem incorporating Zorastrian ideals. the three basic tenets of Zartosht are "Good thought, good words, good actions", a truly islamic and pious formula that your 'noble' rapists would have done well to learn. This shia openness is no different to that of the the sunnis of China, many of whose Mosques contain plaques commemorating Confucious and celebrating the light he brought to the world in pre-Muhammadan times. History did not begin with Prophet Muhammads revelation pbuh, nor did human morality and knowledge of God; Islam is primordial, it has always been with humanity, what we gleam from older religions only adds to our store of knowledge and morality, only the fundamentalist idiot who hates both knowledge and morality could object to this.

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Hey Guys ,

I wanted to ask something 

what makes Zorastrainsm and Islam different ?

like I used to believe that that they believe in 1 God but were dualist like God and some evil spirit who is a rival and will get killed by God at the end.

But to my surprise this is not the case at all ?

like read this from Quora:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Zoroastrianism-a-henotheistic-or-a-monotheistic-religion

 

Here the guy is clearly telling it’s not God vs the demon rival it’s spirits God created that are against each other and later the Bad one will be destroyed and Good will win 

like read the whole thing to understand.

instead they attack us by saying we made shaitaan rival of God they didn’t ???

like the info about their dualist views I got from Islamic sites like how can they not know this !!

If this is the case then where does the difference lies in theological aspect ?

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7 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

Hey Guys ,

I wanted to ask something 

what makes Zorastrainsm and Islam different ?

like I used to believe that that they believe in 1 God but were dualist like God and some evil spirit who is a rival and will get killed by God at the end.

But to my surprise this is not the case at all ?

like read this from Quora:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Zoroastrianism-a-henotheistic-or-a-monotheistic-religion

 

Here the guy is clearly telling it’s not God vs the demon rival it’s spirits God created that are against each other and later the Bad one will be destroyed and Good will win 

like read the whole thing to understand.

instead they attack us by saying we made shaitaan rival of God they didn’t ???

like the info about their dualist views I got from Islamic sites like how can they not know this !!

If this is the case then where does the difference lies in theological aspect ?

Hello, view this: http://www.avesta.org/antia/Omnipotence_of_Ahura_Mazda_R1.pdf

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19 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

instead they attack us by saying we made shaitaan rival of God they didn’t ???

like the info about their dualist views I got from Islamic sites like how can they not know this !!

Salam in Zoroastrian belief Ahuramazda created sepanta minu as representative of all good things & Angreh minu (Ahriman) as representative of all bad things &that these two are in war until Sepanta Minu will win the war but Shaitan (la) that calls Ahriman  was & will never a rival of Ahuramazda (Allah) & human is creation of him too that is in fight with Ahriman   it's similar to creation of Aql (wisdom) & Jahl (ignorance) that Kafi book starts narrations from creation of these two entities .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahriman

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam in Zoroastrian belief Ahuramazda created sepanta minu as representative of all good things & Angreh minu (Ahriman) as representative of all bad things &that these two are in war until Sepanta Minu will win the war but Shaitan (la) that calls Ahriman  was & will never a rival of Ahuramazda (Allah) & human is creation of him too that is in fight with Ahriman   it's similar to creation of Aql (wisdom) & Jahl (ignorance) that Kafi book starts narrations from creation of these two entities .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahriman

Where is the difference ie the disagreement 

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam in Zoroastrian belief Ahuramazda created sepanta minu as representative of all good things & Angreh minu (Ahriman) as representative of all bad things &that these two are in war until Sepanta Minu will win the war but Shaitan (la) that calls Ahriman  was & will never a rival of Ahuramazda (Allah) & human is creation of him too that is in fight with Ahriman   it's similar to creation of Aql (wisdom) & Jahl (ignorance) that Kafi book starts narrations from creation of these two entities .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahriman

Where is the Disagreement between Islam and them like ??

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1 minute ago, Noor Taleb said:

Where is the difference ie the disagreement 

I think Zoroastrianism is in agreement more than any religions with Islam but most thing in agreement with Islam from Zoroastrianism is about last savior the disagreement is very minor in mistaking about power of Sepanta Minu & Amgra minu & giving more importance than Aql & Jahl in Islam specially Shia Islam .

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38 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I think Zoroastrianism is in agreement more than any religions with Islam but most thing in agreement with Islam from Zoroastrianism is about last savior the disagreement is very minor in mistaking about power of Sepanta Minu & Amgra minu & giving more importance than Aql & Jahl in Islam specially Shia Islam .

How do they mistake the power ?

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1 minute ago, Noor Taleb said:

How do they mistake the power ?

They know these two over will of man & they can affect life of humans that Angra minu (Ahriman or Shaitan ) like as Christianity & Judaism has power over human not like Islam that just whispers & derives human in wrong path.

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21 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

They know these two over will of man & they can affect life of humans that Angra minu (Ahriman or Shaitan ) like as Christianity & Judaism has power over human not like Islam that just whispers & derives human in wrong path.

And what about the two separate entities and their battle what does Islam say about that 

Does Allah need to manifest his will of life being  a test by making good and evil spirit and we joining to defeat the bad one 

how does Islam answer this type of a belief ??

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22 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

They know these two over will of man & they can affect life of humans that Angra minu (Ahriman or Shaitan ) like as Christianity & Judaism has power over human not like Islam that just whispers & derives human in wrong path.

Offcourse Allah doesn’t need to do make evil and good spirit at all then how does he make the choice happen 

like wasn’t shaitaan made to be that evil option or not ? 

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43 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

They know these two over will of man & they can affect life of humans that Angra minu (Ahriman or Shaitan ) like as Christianity & Judaism has power over human not like Islam that just whispers & derives human in wrong path.

Isn’t this like according to us when Allah says that is he an enemy to the Human being that means he has some sort of power over humans that drives them to the wrong path then how is zorastains thinking different ?

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30 minutes ago, Noor Taleb said:

And what about the two separate entities and their battle what does Islam say about that 

Does Allah need to manifest his will of life being  a test by making good and evil spirit and we joining to defeat the bad one 

how does Islam answer this type of a belief ??

War of these entities depends on our will & which one of them we support it explained in following link 

http://fourshiabooks.com/view/al-kafi/1

Definitely Allah doesn't need to do it  read above link it's very clear 

 

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4 minutes ago, Noor Taleb said:

Sorry brother, I honestly know very little about Zoroastrianism, or at least I don't know enough to really contribute.

Shame we don't have any Ahmadis knocking around, they would shed some light, as they view Zarathustra as a Prophet or so I think, could be wrong.

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9 minutes ago, Noor Taleb said:

Isn’t this like according to us when Allah says that is he an enemy to the Human being that means he has some sort of power over humans that drives them to the wrong path then how is zorastains thinking different ?

We are enemies of ourselves at first & Allah is enemy of people that are enemies of themselves 

If Shaitan wasn't made Allah would create another test for us .

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On 6/5/2019 at 7:10 PM, Noor Taleb said:

Hey Guys ,

I wanted to ask something 

what makes Zorastrainsm and Islam different ?

like I used to believe that that they believe in 1 God but were dualist like God and some evil spirit who is a rival and will get killed by God at the end.

But to my surprise this is not the case at all ?

like read this from Quora:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Zoroastrianism-a-henotheistic-or-a-monotheistic-religion

 

Here the guy is clearly telling it’s not God vs the demon rival it’s spirits God created that are against each other and later the Bad one will be destroyed and Good will win 

like read the whole thing to understand.

instead they attack us by saying we made shaitaan rival of God they didn’t ???

like the info about their dualist views I got from Islamic sites like how can they not know this !!

If this is the case then where does the difference lies in theological aspect ?

I was reading that Zoroaster could’ve been an Islamic Prophet because they did they’re 5 daily prayers similar to ours

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6 hours ago, Isaam said:

I was reading that Zoroaster could’ve been an Islamic Prophet because they did they’re 5 daily prayers similar to ours

He wasn't an Abrahamic Prophet but truth is always truth & all godly religions are Islam based on narrations & majority research of Shia scholara Zotoaster was a reformer (maybe called him a Prophet) between Majus but all what remains from time of Prophet Mohammed (pbu) until now is calling Zoroastrianism

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On 6/6/2019 at 11:10 AM, Noor Taleb said:

Hey Guys ,

I wanted to ask something 

what makes Zorastrainsm and Islam different ?

like I used to believe that that they believe in 1 God but were dualist like God and some evil spirit who is a rival and will get killed by God at the end.

But to my surprise this is not the case at all ?

like read this from Quora:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Zoroastrianism-a-henotheistic-or-a-monotheistic-religion

 

Here the guy is clearly telling it’s not God vs the demon rival it’s spirits God created that are against each other and later the Bad one will be destroyed and Good will win 

like read the whole thing to understand.

instead they attack us by saying we made shaitaan rival of God they didn’t ???

like the info about their dualist views I got from Islamic sites like how can they not know this !!

If this is the case then where does the difference lies in theological aspect ?

This is a topic that Muslims (Shi'ites in particular) and Zoroastrians used to debate about and it's fascinating but not quite as convoluted as it appears.

Zoroastrianism itself is wholly Monotheistic, One transcendent all-pervading God that has no equivalent. I've already mentioned Zoroastrianism to you prior but it has no contradiction, even in it's diverted form, from Islam. The two slip like a glove, although Zoroastrianism's original revelations from Allah didn't survive (much like the Injeel Isa recieved etc). 

However there is much to gain spiritually from studying the Avesta...The Gathas especially, very beautiful hymns there. 

Zoroastianism is very philosophical like Shi'ism, so just like Shi'ism we have to consider it within two primary theological aspects: Metaphysics and Morals/ethics. In order to unmask Zoroastrianism's tenants as a religion and spiritual path in comparison to Islam.

They're not theistically dualistic, Ahura Mazda is the Absolute, there is none above him. Ahura Mazda is not limited to anything.

Angra Mainyu however is a force implicit through manifestation of the Universe, like the Shaitan, same principle essentially. Duality, Ego, Sin, chaos, destruction, war etc etc etc. Note again, Angra Mainyu is subordinate, not equal, Angra Mainyu is not an 'opposite' of Ahura Mazda.

From the philosophical perspective Zoroastrianism is about understanding the struggle between: good vs evil, light vs dark, intelligence vs ignorance, liberation vs self-enslavement, Ruh vs Ego. etc etc. 

The whole Zoroastrian worldview arises with the notion that Ahura Mazda is the only one that ever will "win the battle" as darkness and evil are a biproduct of Duality. 

Just like Islam, it's wrong to frame Zoroastrianism as ontologically and metaphysically dualistic as it's an entirely false notion. Although in some diverging later sects of Zoroastrianism tended to drift away in some respects (kinda like literalist forms of Sunnism and it's abomination of Wahhabism/Salafism). 

Zoroastrianism as we know it now though as mentioned before, has diverted in it's external form, although some texts such as the Gathas are purportedly written by Prophet Zoroaster himself, we cannot know for sure though. However, even though the surviving texts of Zoroastrianism don't pay lip-service to our own established Prophets (Adam, Abraham, Noah etc), it is too likely that Zoroaster (in his historical form) was one of the unmentioned Prophets in the Qur'an, I don't have much doubt in that. 

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1 hour ago, HakimPtsid said:

This is a topic that Muslims (Shi'ites in particular) and Zoroastrians used to debate about and it's fascinating but not quite as convoluted as it appears.

Zoroastrianism itself is wholly Monotheistic, One transcendent all-pervading God that has no equivalent. I've already mentioned Zoroastrianism to you prior but it has no contradiction, even in it's diverted form, from Islam. The two slip like a glove, although Zoroastrianism's original revelations from Allah didn't survive (much like the Injeel Isa recieved etc). 

However there is much to gain spiritually from studying the Avesta...The Gathas especially, very beautiful hymns there. 

Zoroastianism is very philosophical like Shi'ism, so just like Shi'ism we have to consider it within two primary theological aspects: Metaphysics and Morals/ethics. In order to unmask Zoroastrianism's tenants as a religion and spiritual path in comparison to Islam.

They're not theistically dualistic, Ahura Mazda is the Absolute, there is none above him. Ahura Mazda is not limited to anything.

Angra Mainyu however is a force implicit through manifestation of the Universe, like the Shaitan, same principle essentially. Duality, Ego, Sin, chaos, destruction, war etc etc etc. Note again, Angra Mainyu is subordinate, not equal, Angra Mainyu is not an 'opposite' of Ahura Mazda.

From the philosophical perspective Zoroastrianism is about understanding the struggle between: good vs evil, light vs dark, intelligence vs ignorance, liberation vs self-enslavement, Ruh vs Ego. etc etc. 

The whole Zoroastrian worldview arises with the notion that Ahura Mazda is the only one that ever will "win the battle" as darkness and evil are a biproduct of Duality. 

Just like Islam, it's wrong to frame Zoroastrianism as ontologically and metaphysically dualistic as it's an entirely false notion. Although in some diverging later sects of Zoroastrianism tended to drift away in some respects (kinda like literalist forms of Sunnism and it's abomination of Wahhabism/Salafism). 

Zoroastrianism as we know it now though as mentioned before, has diverted in it's external form, although some texts such as the Gathas are purportedly written by Prophet Zoroaster himself, we cannot know for sure though. However, even though the surviving texts of Zoroastrianism don't pay lip-service to our own established Prophets (Adam, Abraham, Noah etc), it is too likely that Zoroaster (in his historical form) was one of the unmentioned Prophets in the Qur'an, I don't have much doubt in that. 

How did they drift away from Islam ? 

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4 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

How did they drift away from Islam ? 

It's mentioned that one of Persian Kings married with his daughter & when people opposed him ,he said Prophet Adam sons also married with their Mahrams  and people & scholars accepted it so derivation from right pass started between them & they burned their book  

https://shamim.valiasr-aj.com/include/VIEW.php?bankname=LIBLIST&code=26&RADIF=36

http://ensani.ir/fa/article/92667/بحثی-درباره-مجوس-2-

6 hours ago, HakimPtsid said:

. However, even though the surviving texts of Zoroastrianism don't pay lip-service to our own established Prophets (Adam, Abraham, Noah etc), it is too likely th

In book of Jamasb Nameh that is written by Jamasb the direct student of Zotoaster prophecized coming of Prophet Musa & Isa (عليه السلام) & Prophet Muhammad (pbu) even prophecized coming of Imam Mahdi (aj) similar with all details  like as Islamic ptophecies ,

There is a narratio in Bihar Al -Anwar Even Yazdgerd the last Sasanid king after defeating from Muslim army in time of his running away from palace said one of my sons will back & will rule the whole world when one of companions of Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) asked about from him ,he confirmed this & said that son is Imam Mahdi (aj) that is sixth son from my lineage & is from lineage of his daughter that married with Imam Hussain (عليه السلام)

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I was reading that people say Zoroasterism was the worlds first religion and Hinduism got influenced by it then Judaism, then Christianity, then Islam, etc.

Do you guys believe any of these religions have anything to do with Zoraster?

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There was a topic on this last week, one of my replies was: 

 

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On 6/8/2019 at 1:12 AM, Noor Taleb said:

How did they drift away from Islam ? 

It is hard to really say, aside from how their originally revelation received by Zoroaster obviously was lost but incorporated into their theology/philosophy. I guess in areas like ritual and symbolism they developed their own ideas but there isn't much inherently that 'drifted away', inasmuch as they brought in colors and textures (so to speak). But their core beliefs aren't that different from Judaism or Christianity either, historically many of our Shi'ite leaders have considered them to be included in the Ahl al-kitab, which makes sense.

Keeping in mind too that the word "Zoroastrianism" itself is kinda a modern invention, that their religion has been refereed to as various things historically (like "Mazdeanism", named after Ahura Mazda). Remember, at times Islam itself has been referred to as "Muhammadeanism". 

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Calling Iranians “Descendants Of The Magi” Is Actually A Compliment

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Kitab Al-Kafi Book # 13: The Book of laws of Charities, Taxes

Chapter 46: Zakat of Tax Payers

Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Abu Yahya al-Wasitiy from certain persons of our people who has said the following:



"Once Abu 'Abd Allah, 'Alayhi al-Salam, was asked about the case of Zoroastrians if they had a 
Prophet. He (the Imam) said, 'Yes, they had a Prophet. Have you not heard about the letter of the 
Messenger of Allah to the people of Makkah? He asked them to accept Islam, otherwise, war is 
declared against you. They wrote back to the Messenger of Allah asking him to receive al-Jizyah and 
leave them to worship their idols. The Holy Prophet wrote to them, 'I receive al-Jizyah only from the 
people of the book? They then wrote to him (the Messenger of Allah) to rebut him, 'You think that 
you do not receive al-Jizyah except from the people of the book and then receive al-Jizyah from majus 
(Zoroastrians) who have migrated? The Holy Prophet wrote to them, 'majus had a Prophet but they 
killed him. They had a book, which they burnt. Their Prophet brought them a book on twelve thousand 
skins of bull? 

 

Share...Chapter: 46, Hadith: 5958, Number: 4
 
 

Kitab Al-Kafi Book # 12: The Book of laws of Prayer

Chapter 30: Manners of Standing and Sitting Positions in Salat (prayer)

It is a narration from him (narrator of previous Hadith) by Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Hammad from Hariz from a man who has said the following:
 



"I once asked Abu Ja'far, 'Alayhi al-Salam, about the words of Allah, 'Perform Salat (prayer) for the 
sake of your Lord and offer sacrifice. . . .'(108:2) He (the Imam) said, 'Offering sacrifice' is a 
reference to standing in a level posture by keeping one's back and neck level.' He (the Imam) said, 
'You must not place your hand on your other hand; majus (Zoroastrians) people would do so. You 
must not cover your mouth, do not hold your limbs tightly together and do not squat (sit on one's 
heels) and do not place your arms flat on the ground.'" 

 

Share...Chapter: 30, Hadith: 5060, Number: 10 
 
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