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Salam, dear brothers and sisters in Islam I have recently contracted a temporary marriage with a girl from Ahlul-Kitab (Catholic) she is a virgin girl and I was seeking  to inquire if the marriage contract that I have done with her is valid, I hope to not God forbid have this be an invalid contract in which would lead me to disobeying Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) 

the permission to "date" was granted ( I was told that would be considered عرف) I explained to the girl that there will be a fixed term and I chose one year and also for the dowry I said it was like a gift and instead of providing a specified gift I just gave $20 I am not sure if she remembers that the term was for one year but I did state it clearly to her through text and as for the oath I also explained what it meant in English on text and then in person I told her to repeat after me the words in Arabic in which she complied the words were a bit broken, but understandable. 

The father of the girl has passed therefore the permission to “date” was given by the mother the girl knows that this is a form of marriage contract in which I stated briefly would protect her rights and honor her

If this is not a valid Mutah contract how may I make it as such (the more thorough and concise answer the better) 

And if this is a valid Mutah contract thank you for clearing my conscience may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) grant you all the intercession of the Prophets holy progeny

I really love this girl and I hope to one day marry her if she is guided to the path of the Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام)) she has shown great willingness to debate and discuss religion and has told me if she is shown the truth she would adhere to it therefore I am trying fervently by the grace of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to provide the evidences needed in substantiating Shia Islam and in rebuking any deviated beliefs posed by the Catholics and their traditions respectively 

Side note: the mother allows us to date and perhaps is knowledgeable over certain intimate acts that may occur in which are known to be evident between “dating teenagers” but by no means would accept or agree to any act of copulation and or most likely oral gratification and the use of the other partners hands to aid the other in reaching ecstatic relief

would the use of such means of intimate acts between one another; other then the means of osculation be prohibited 

for the acts listed above such as oral gratification and the use of the other partners hands, aid in demolishing any deviated acts of self-gratification as the role of a Mutah contract does so evidently and respectfully through the protection of the rights of the female counterpart

If this marriage is a valid one would such intimate acts be prohibited and would copulation be allowed or not 

We are both virgins I am 19 and she is 18 

if such acts are prohibited how may I seek to make them permissible and in what way is it deemed fit to do so 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you all and grant you all the intercession of the Ahlul Bayt thank you for reading and aiding this lost soul in maintaining his faith clinging on to the rope of Allah through the aid of such pious and forbearing lovers of the truth 

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The conditions for Mutah are as follows, 

1) The Girl must be a muslima or Ahl Al Kitab (I believe, based on above, that this condition is met). Also, she must not be amoung the categories of women whom it is forbidden to marry (outlined in the Holy Qur'an in Surat Nisa)

2) The Aqd (contract) must be pronounced by the women, and the man must accept. Also, obviously, the mahr must be given. 

2378. It is permissible for a man and a woman to recite the formula of the temporary marriage (Mut'ah), after having agreed on the period of marriage and the amount of Mahr. Hence, if the woman says: Zawwajtuka nafsi fil muddatil ma'lumati 'alal mahril ma'lum (I.e. I have made myself your wife for an agreed period and agreed Mahr), and then the man immediately responds thus: Qabiltu (I.e. I have accepted), the marriage will be in order. And the marriage will also be in order if they appoint other persons to act as their representatives.

https://www.Sistani.org/english/book/48/2345/

3) In the case of a girl who is still under the Wikalat of her father, most marjaa' say it is necessary to get the fathers permission. It seems like you have done that step also. 

So it seems like, based on what you said, that the marriage is in order. 

There is a question in my mind why you used the term 'dating' and they accepted you to 'date' their daughter. Mutah is marriage, not dating. But I also understand that in the Catholic faith, there is no such thing as Mutah, temporary marriage so the closest equivalent in their mind would be 'dating'. So I think using this term, in the context you are using it is ok. 

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Just now, Abu Hadi said:

There is a question in my mind why you used the term 'dating' and they accepted you to 'date' their daughter. Mutah is marriage, not dating. But I also understand that in the Catholic faith, there is no such thing as Mutah, temporary marriage so the closest equivalent in their mind would be 'dating'. So I think using this term, in the context you are using it is ok. 

As far as I know, if she is a devout catholic dating must be supervised an no sexual intercourse. http://www.catholiclane.com/dating-rules-10-rules-for-chaste-dating/

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3 hours ago, Guest_313 said:

The father of the girl has passed therefore the permission to “date” was given by the mother the girl knows that this is a form of marriage contract in which I stated briefly would protect her rights and honor her

If this is not a valid Mutah contract how may I make it as such (the more thorough and concise answer the better) 

Salam ,your math is valid also all Maraji say that for doing Mutah with people of book you don’t need permission of their parents but you respites them & taketheir premision that is very good.

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4 minutes ago, Revert1963 said:

As far as I know, if she is a devout catholic dating must be supervised an no sexual intercourse. http://www.catholiclane.com/dating-rules-10-rules-for-chaste-dating/

Dating and extramarital sex, which, let's face it comes part and parcel with dating, is a modern concept in Catholicism, it's one of those things that parents have been pressurised to allow... That aside, I think things need clarifying that she is not 'dating' you.

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2 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

Also, I've heard different views on here, are Trinitarians counted as part of the Ahlul Kitab? 

Salam ,all branch of Christians are Ahlul Kitab ,we just take title of Christianity for Ahlul Kitab & don’t consider their branch.

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On 6/2/2019 at 10:57 AM, Guest_313 said:

would the use of such means of intimate acts between one another; other then the means of osculation be prohibited 

By osculation, if you mean kissing, that is allowed in marriage, whether mutah (temporary marriage) or nikah (permanent marriage). Mature people can read the following book, especially Chapter 3. If you are too young, please don't read it, especially if you are fasting. 

Marriage and Morals in Islam PDF

https://www.al-Islam.org/marriage-and-morals-Islam-Sayyid-Muhammad-Rizvi

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