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So I was asked a question by a Christian today...she asked me if Islamically Christians can get into Heaven?

I told her I would get back to her, even though I had an idea of the answer in my head. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the Qur'an it states...

http://al-Qur'an.info/#2:62/1

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إِنَّ الَّذينَ آمَنوا وَالَّذينَ هادوا وَالنَّصارىٰ وَالصّابِئينَ مَن آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صالِحًا فَلَهُم أَجرُهُم عِندَ رَبِّهِم وَلا خَوفٌ عَلَيهِم وَلا هُم يَحزَنونَ

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ʾinna lladhīna ʾāmanū wa-lladhīna hādū wa-n-naṣārā wa-ṣ-ṣābiʾīna man ʾāmana bi-llāhi wa-l-yawmi l-ʾākhiri wa-ʿamila ṣāliḥan fa-lahum ʾajruhum ʿinda rabbihim wa-lā khawfun ʿalayhim wa-lā hum yaḥzanūna

TRANSLATION

Indeed the faithful, the Jews,the Christians, and the Sabaeans—those of them who have faith in Allah and the Last Day and act righteously—they shall have their reward near their Lord,and they will have no fear, nor will they grieve.

http://al-Qur'an.info/#5:69/1

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إِنَّ الَّذينَ آمَنوا وَالَّذينَ هادوا وَالصّابِئونَ وَالنَّصارىٰ مَن آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صالِحًا فَلا خَوفٌ عَلَيهِم وَلا هُم يَحزَنونَ

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ʾinna lladhīna ʾāmanū wa-lladhīna hādū wa-ṣ-ṣābiʾūna wa-n-naṣārā man ʾāmana bi-llāhi wa-l-yawmi l-ʾākhiri wa-ʿamila ṣāliḥan fa-lā khawfun ʿalayhim wa-lā hum yaḥzanūna

TRANSLATION

Indeed the faithful, the Jews, the Sabaeans, and the Christians —those who have faith in Allah and the Last Day and act righteously— they will have no fear, nor will they grieve.

http://al-Qur'an.info/#5:72/1

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لَقَد كَفَرَ الَّذينَ قالوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ ۖ وَقالَ المَسيحُ يا بَني إِسرائيلَ اعبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبّي وَرَبَّكُم ۖ إِنَّهُ مَن يُشرِك بِاللَّهِ فَقَد حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِ الجَنَّةَ وَمَأواهُ النّارُ ۖ وَما لِلظّالِمينَ مِن أَنصارٍ

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la-qad kafara lladhīna qālū ʾinna llāha huwa l-masīḥu bnu maryama wa-qāla l-masīḥu yā-banī ʾisrāʾīla ʿbudū llāha rabbī wa-rabbakum ʾinnahū man yushrik bi-llāhi fa-qad ḥarrama llāhu ʿalayhi l-jannata wa-maʾwāhu n-nāru wa-mā li-ẓ-ẓālimīna min ʾanṣārin

TRANSLATION

They are certainly faithless who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.’ But the Messiah had said, ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Indeed whoever ascribes partners to Allah, Allah shall forbid him paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire, and the wrongdoers will not have any helpers.’

Those passages are the first ones that came to mind...however, if there are others please post them.

Based on these three passages, would I be correct in inferring that only the Christians that do not believe in the Trinity will be eligible to be judged for entry into Jannah? Such as Mormons, Unitarians, Jehonvah's Witnesses, etc... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism#Christian_groups_with_nontrinitarian_positions

However, I have the feeling that she is going to counter my answer with this verse. 

http://al-Qur'an.info/#3:85/1

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وَمَن يَبتَغِ غَيرَ الإِسلامِ دينًا فَلَن يُقبَلَ مِنهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الخاسِرينَ

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wa-man yabtaghi ghayra l-ʾislāmi dīnan fa-lan yuqbala minhu wa-huwa fī l-ʾākhirati mina l-khāsirīna

TRANSLATION

Should anyone follow a religion other than Islam, it shall never be accepted from him, and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

 

I was going to reply in that instance that the term "Islam" is defined as the one who submits to the will of Allah. If one is a pious Non-Trinitarian then is that the same as one who is submitting to the will of Allah, even though they don't pray, fast, perform the Haj, etc...?

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Salam  for more clarification

6 hours ago, aaaz1618 said:

May or may not answer your question directly, worth a watch.

Can non-Muslims enter Heaven according to Islam? - Sayed Mohammed Baqer Al-Qazwini

We know of many people around the world who are not Muslims or Shi`a but are nevertheless individuals of good conduct; for example, non-Muslims are responsible for many inventions. Is it right that they all deserve to be punished in Hell because they are not Muslims?
Concise answer

Those who do not believe in Islam can be classified into two groups:

 

1. Those who are termed ‘Jahil-e-Muqassir’ (lit. ‘culpable ignorant’). These are non-believers to whom the message of Islam has reached and who have understood its truthfulness. However, they are not prepared to accept the truth due to their obstinacy and stubbornness. This group deserves to be punished in Hell.

 

2. Those who are termed ‘Jahil-e-Qasir’ (lit. ‘inculpable ignorant’). These are non-believers to whom the message of Islam has not reached, or it has been presented to them in a very incomplete and untruthful manner. Such people will attain salvation if they are truthful to their own religion.

Detailed Answer...

https://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa283

 

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23 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Will let you know if I get there.

definitely yes

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Qalb, Taqwa, Din, Ihsan and their effect on one's Soul (Ruh) is really the most decisive factor on the Day of Judgement. Even in the very opening of the Qur'an there is 2:8. The notion of "People of the Book" (Ahl al-Kitab) itself does make it obvious that people from other religions, most closely the other two Abrahamics, have the potentiality of getting to Jannah. But as with 2:8, we have be mindful that it truly does start with the Heart (Qalb) firstly, not one's Ego-self (Nafs), procaiming oneself as a Muslim and all of the formalities of Islam do not guarantee anything in themselves, one cannot fool Allah if they are not genuine and seeking for truth. And we all know the Bismillah, Allah is most Beneficent and most Merciful. We have to be mindful but not fanatical about that. 

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5 hours ago, baqar said:

Muslims cannot even guarantee their own entry to heaven, much less can they know what will happen to others.

The Qur'an also spurns preempting  divine judgment.

Verse 13:40 tells the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) to deliver the message but taking account is not his job, rather God's.   

The verse clearly indicates that it is not our job to worry about others, rather about our own selves. 

As Maulana Baqar Qazwini has pointed out, non-Muslims will be judged on whether they have enough information about Islam or not.

But it is more important that we try to improve our own chances of going to heaven. 

I agree with you on that point.

However, as I stated above this was a question that was asked me by a Christian (her intention was not for the purpose of gaining knowledge about Islam, but for the purpose of fostering more fitna against Muslims). She had the standard Quranic verses handy such as the last one I quoted. 

As such, I asked for further information regarding what is available in the Qur'an.

3 hours ago, HakimPtsid said:

Qalb, Taqwa, Din, Ihsan and their effect on one's Soul (Ruh) is really the most decisive factor on the Day of Judgement. Even in the very opening of the Qur'an there is 2:8. The notion of "People of the Book" (Ahl al-Kitab) itself does make it obvious that people from other religions, most closely the other two Abrahamics, have the potentiality of getting to Jannah. But as with 2:8, we have be mindful that it truly does start with the Heart (Qalb) firstly, not one's Ego-self (Nafs), procaiming oneself as a Muslim and all of the formalities of Islam do not guarantee anything in themselves, one cannot fool Allah if they are not genuine and seeking for truth. And we all know the Bismillah, Allah is most Beneficent and most Merciful. We have to be mindful but not fanatical about that. 

Very true indeed but how would you take into consideration this verse then?...this is the verse which speaks directly about the doctrine of the Trinity.

http://al-Qur'an.info/#5:72/1

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لَقَد كَفَرَ الَّذينَ قالوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ ۖ وَقالَ المَسيحُ يا بَني إِسرائيلَ اعبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبّي وَرَبَّكُم ۖ إِنَّهُ مَن يُشرِك بِاللَّهِ فَقَد حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِ الجَنَّةَ وَمَأواهُ النّارُ ۖ وَما لِلظّالِمينَ مِن أَنصارٍ

TRANSLITERATION

la-qad kafara lladhīna qālū ʾinna llāha huwa l-masīḥu bnu maryama wa-qāla l-masīḥu yā-banī ʾisrāʾīla ʿbudū llāha rabbī wa-rabbakum ʾinnahū man yushrik bi-llāhi fa-qad ḥarrama llāhu ʿalayhi l-jannata wa-maʾwāhu n-nāru wa-mā li-ẓ-ẓālimīna min ʾanṣārin

TRANSLATION

They are certainly faithless who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.’ But the Messiah had said, ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Indeed whoever ascribes partners to Allah, Allah shall forbid him paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire, and the wrongdoers will not have any helpers.’

 

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23 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

 

Based on these three passages, would I be correct in inferring that only the Christians that do not believe in the Trinity will be eligible to be judged for entry into Jannah? Such as Mormons, Unitarians, Jehonvah's Witnesses, etc... 

 

 

 

Lol sooo....if Trinitarian issues are the big thing...supposedly God's going to overlook the Mormon belief that Allah was once a man and that all of them will someday be gods of their own planets? What about the fact that the Jehovah's witnesses ( besides the fact that their very name is a linguistic mash-up mistake that never was really a moniker for God ) think only a pre-set certain number of folks will enter heaven along with quite a few other interesting beliefs. Unitarians generally do not consider themselves Christians. Some don't even believe in a Supreme Being at all, depending on the individual or the individual church. The ones around here are pretty much Nuage Pagans as far as I can tell. Being a " non-Trinitarian" doesn't mean your other doctrines aren't a little squirrelly, from a mainstream  traditional church's point of view.

PS...this doesn't mean these folks won't get into heaven,though. I suspect God judges on things other than doctrinal purity.

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11 hours ago, baqar said:

Muslims cannot even guarantee their own entry to heaven, much less can they know what will happen to others.

The Qur'an also spurns preempting  divine judgment.

Verse 13:40 tells the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) to deliver the message but taking account is not his job, rather God's.   

The verse clearly indicates that it is not our job to worry about others, rather about our own selves. 

As Maulana Baqar Qazwini has pointed out, non-Muslims will be judged on whether they have enough information about Islam or not.

But it is more important that we try to improve our own chances of going to heaven. 

I agree with you brother, let's worry about ourselves before being concerned of other people's fate.

God keep us steadfast on His path.

Everyday we recite in salat atleast 10 times,

ehidina al siratul mistaqeem.

In this holy month of Ramadhan, we ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to release our necks from the Hellfire.  We cannot guarantee ourselves heaven let alone other people.

Faith is not enough, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) wants faith and righteous deeds.

:bismillah:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ وَأَخْبَتُواْ إِلَى رَبِّهِمْ أُوْلَـئِكَ أَصْحَابُ الجَنَّةِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

 

 

11:23 Behold, [only] those who attain to faith and do righteous deeds and humble themselves before their Sustainer - [only] they are destined for paradise, and there shall they abide.
M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah
 
 
 
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Brother Assalam Alikum.
 
Can you give us a quick background of this Sheikh?
 
Ram Mohan Roy studied the Vedas and found therein One God. He went on to establish the Brahmo Samaj Movement in Hinduism. The duty of a scholar of the Qur'an is to locate such Truth in the Hindu scriptures and to gently direct the Hindu to the Truth that is already in his scriptures - and is also in the Qur'an. When he does that, it would facilitate eventual Hindu recognition of Truth in the Qur'an and also facilitate the consequent inevitable recognition of Prophet Muhammad as a Prophet of that One True God. If a Hindu, Christian or Jew chooses to recognize Truth in the Qur'an, and to also recognize Prophet Muhammad as a Prophet of the One God, but chooses to remain identified as Hindu, Christian or Jew, and to follow a sacred law other than that revealed to the Prophet, it is Allah Most High Who will judge him - and not those who follow the Prophet. INH
 

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Alhamdulilah, 

Monotheistic Christians who believe in God and  his oneness and Jesus as only messenger are granted Jannah. Polytheistic/pagan Christians who associate others with God will not be granted Jannah and be sent to Jahannam. They are considered disbelievers. 

Pagan Christians have infused themselves with monotheistic Christianity. It’s a great deception by Satan and his followers. Anyone who at the core associates others with being God or son of God is a hypocrite at heart hiding behind religion. This explained in the Qur'an. 

There are people who are born into pagan Christian families but don’t agree with the trinity of Jesus and him being God or son of God at heart. These are believers. These kind either stay at the teachings of Jesus or they come to Al Islam. 

I wrote a topic called The Two Species: Believers and unbelievers. The believers are on the same signal of belief, just different level of belief level but same signal. Muslims are the upper echelon because they believed in all tenants. Allah and his oneness, messengers, Angels, Imams, books, and followed the pillars to its upmost. These believers will attain the highest Jannah. 

The monotheistic Christians now are not apart of Jesus (عليه السلام). Ummah. Every believer in the world during and after Muhammad is part of Muhammad’s ummah.  So those who are monotheistic Christians who knowingly do not accept the final stages of Islam and Muhammad will cut themselves off from the highest levels of Jannah. There could be a penalty but lower levels of Jannah are still attainable. 

There is realistically only two groups. those who are believers and disbelievers. Islam is the only religion since Adam and the other stuff outside the oneness of God is disbelief. Even the last man to come out of Hell will have held on to the oneness of God and didn’t associate with Allah will get Jannah, he will get 10 times more than this world and everything in it. These type of believers go to Jahannam based on conduct. These will be low level believers whose actions in conduct resembled unbelievers. 

 

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I am yet to watch this, but from skimming through it seems similar to the answers already given. But, it may be beneficial if I post it anyways.

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31 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Well, guess I'm going to hell, then.

Meh. Every religion thinks that people of other religions are going to hell. There can only be one truth.

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Well, guess I'm going to hell, then. The common definition of being a Christian is to be Trinitarian.  It's also considered monotheistic,though. But we've been through all this ad nauseum.

That’s the common definition now. But if you are Trinity Christian that definition wasn’t around during Jesus days on Earth. His ummah of believers are monotheistic. Any Muslim on here who tells you differently is only trying to be nice. In the Qur'an, Allah is very specific about associating people or things along with him as God or having sons. Christianity can’t be trinity and monotheistic at the same time. That’s the great deception. True Abrahamic religions only belief in one God with no association of other images, people, or idols. No other Prophet in the Bible mentions worshipping Jesus or the trinity. They observed one true God. 

Does this mean your going to Hell? Not necessarily. At your core you yourself might be truly monotheistic. Only you and God knows.

But yes if you worship Jesus as God and son of God while knowingly receiving guidance on about submitting to the one Oneness of God as in no image or human, and you die without accepting true belief you will die as an unbeliever and According to the Qur'an will not get Jannah. 

 

I will leave this link for you below 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/romecorruptedchristianity.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/nimrods-family-created-God-the-father-and-God-the-son/amp/

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29 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

^ Actually mine doesn't think folks of other religions are going to hell. One of the reasons I like it. 

Alhamdulilah,

I lot of people like a religion that you can do anything and not have no accountability for actions. Hell is made for a reason and judgment day is for a reason. Those evil doers and deniers will have to stand before God and answer for the crimes. 

In essence there’s only only one religion and that’s the religion of the one true God, the God of Abraham. Abraham never worshipped Jesus as God or the son of God. He worshipped one true God. 

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With all due respect, I've read all of the stuff people have thrown at me already. Most of it is, In my humble opinion, inaccurate,biased, or intellectually disingenuous.. Whether they are trying to " be nice" or not. Some of it is stunningly ignorant and derivative of the worst research spewed out these days by anti-Catholics with no critical thinking skills.

Most Muslims don't understand the concept of the Trinity or have a good grasp of Church history or the early Church Fathers.

That's not surprising, it's not their religion. No reason for them to be.

I'm reasonably well-versed in my own faith ( taught by some of the best minds and researchers around...don't know what the Muslim equivalent would be, but it'd likely be pretty lofty) and they were quite a bit better than  the " Christian theologians" and " Church historians"  in here. Lol. 

 

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4 minutes ago, AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola said:

Alhamdulilah,

I lot of people like a religion that you can do anything and not have no accountability for actions. Hell is made for a reason and judgment day is for a reason. Those evil doers and deniers will have to stand before God and answer for the crimes. 

In essence there’s only only one religion and that’s the religion of the one true God, the God of Abraham. Abraham never worshipped Jesus as God or the son of God. He worshipped one true God. 

I didn't say my religion allowed me to "do anything". It's actually pretty strict. I said it doesn't hold that folks of other faiths are necessarily  going to hell.

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Well, guess I'm going to hell, then. The common definition of being a Christian is to be Trinitarian.  It's also considered monotheistic,though. But we've been through all this ad nauseum.

hi , Moms don't go to hell :) but acceptance of truth & changing way of life is very hard for everyone ,that may lasts whole of life ,we consider belief system there is many Christians that behave like Muslims & deserve Paradise although they don't know about Islam but they unknowingly follow it's moral in the other hand there is Muslims that just are Muslims in name but whole of their behavior deserves hell like as ISIS ,etc 

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9 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

hi , Moms don't go to hell :) but acceptance of truth & changing way of life is very hard for everyone ,that may lasts whole of life ,we consider belief system there is many Christians that behave like Muslims & deserve Paradise although they don't know about Islam but they unknowingly follow it's moral in the other hand there is Muslims that just are Muslims in name but whole of their behavior deserves hell like as ISIS ,etc 

People believe Isis to be Muslims. They are not Muslims either. In Islam if you kill someone unjustly that is automatic Jahannam. Eternity in Jahannam. Eternity in Jahannam means there was unbelief. They were hypocrites pretending to be Muslim. There are also hypocrites pretending to be Christians. They are selling religion for a price of their worldly desires. 

The Qur'an is very specific if you worship other than him no matter how nice you are you will not get Jannah. Allah knows you better than anyone so if at your core you truly believe in God alone that will save you. Allah knows who the true believers and unbelievers are. 

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I know Muslims who hate ISIS, but still think they are technically Muslims. Just like the baptized members of the ( hopefully fading)  little Neo-Nazi infestation hereabouts are technically Christians, although I have no idea how they possibly missed the part of the faith that holds that Jesus was Jewish...along with about a thousand other things.

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31 minutes ago, AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola said:

 

In essence there’s only only one religion and that’s the religion of the one true God, the God of Abraham. Abraham never worshipped Jesus as God or the son of God. He worshipped one true God. 

The Incarnation hadn't happened yet, so....

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8 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

lol. Don't worry. I don't take it personally that some Muslims think I'm going to hell. Some so-called Christians would like to send me there sooner. 

I’m not saying you will go to Hell. I’m saying according to The Qur'an those who worship other than Allah will not attain Jannah at all. This is what Allah says. 

I don’t know your fate as only God knows wether or not you will choose his religion and accept all of his Prophets and books. But I have given you the message as I’m sure you have received before. To you be your way and I’m goina be on my way. Lol  Hands swiped bout to eat a sandwich lol 

enjoy your night Left Coast Mom, 

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastMom said:

^ Actually mine doesn't think folks of other religions are going to hell. One of the reasons I like it. 

I don't see the importance in this, since believing otherwise does not prevent us from peacefully coexisting. Everyone is too busy trying to get themselves into heaven to be actively thinking about where other people will end up.

To each his/her own, but I think this belief is unjust as it makes the truth unattainable. The point of Islam is to seek closeness to Allah by submitting to His commands instead of one's own desires. God made life as a test for us, and we must pursue the truth to pass this test. It would be unjust for someone to have struggled their whole life submitting to Allah and seeking closeness to Him to end up in heaven, while someone else who followed their carnal desires, and rejected their connection to Allah also ends up in heaven... despite not recognizing nor appreciating the one who created and sustained them, nor aiming to find the truth.

Connection with Allah (Muslims, People of the Book, other Monotheists) and No connection with Allah (Atheists, Agnosts, Polytheists, Pagans) are POLAR OPPOSITES. As for the Monotheists, only one of them can be on the straight path.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my 2 cents.

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Islam is a simple and accessible religion and it is easy to find out its truthfulness by means of the two guiding authorities that have been given to mankind: the ‘outer’ guiding authority, that is, Allah’s Prophets and saints, and the ‘inner’ one, that is, the intellect.

Islam is in complete opposition to the concept of religious pluralism because this concept is based on the principle that different beliefs are equal and that Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews etc. all have the same rank and status. According to religious pluralism, no proof exists for the invalidity of any belief because the truth is unattainable and religion is a relative and completely personal affair. Not only are its truths and real substance unattainable and every person takes from it whatever he or she personally understands, but furthermore, there are numerous truths and many correct paths to salvation and deliverance.

Such views are inconsistent with the religion of Islam, which is comprised of a set of fundamental beliefs and practical, legal and ethical laws and principles. Islam does however give concessions to those who are far from its reality.


[Islamquest.net]

 

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