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Christians getting into Jannah

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4 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

My question would be very provocative but what is the interest to be Muslim if according to you even non Muslim could go easily to heaven? 

You're very correct.
The interest is to increase one's connection with Allah (we love Allah and fear separating from Him), but this can only be done by obeying His commands and not your carnal desires I.e. submitting to the One who knows best, who created and sustains you... the only thing worthy of worship. BUT, if everyone goes to heaven, then there is no truth, life is no longer a test, and everything becomes totally meaningless... In such a case where there is no attainable truth, there is no straight path set by Allah. Submission to Allah becomes impossible if there are no rules to follow. Following Allah's message as revealed by Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and emulating his ettiquette would become void of meaning (a'udhu billah).

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On May 23, 2019 at 4:20 AM, Laayla said:

Is the fish fried in lard,or in the same oil with the chicken?  

I hope you are checking and asking  before eating at fast food restaurants. 

#checkifhallal

M3 Salamah, Fe Amin Allah 

If they don't want to get in trouble with the Catholics, they need to fry it in vegetable oil with no contact with other meat. I myself avoid all meat,even fish, on the abstinence days just to make sure. But that's just me.

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9 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

How can any non-Muslim currently in the world have an excuse for not knowing what Islam and its beliefs are? Whether they accept, or even agree with, Islam is a different story. I don't think the majority of the world can use the excuse of not knowing what Islam is.

Maybe, but According to SIL, Muslims generally suck at proselytizing ( even though they tout themselves as the " fastest growing religion" they also don't keep a large fraction of converts because they also apparently suck at nurturing them. Where do I get this info?From SG's family, a couple of articles, and a few ex-Muslims who felt they were paid attention to until they were converted and then were ignored and even shunned due to not being of the correct ethnicity, etc. Apparently, they feel many are still too specifically culture-bound to integrate" outsiders" easily. Admittedly, that's not a lot of sources, but I don't think those issues can be ignored. Personally I suspect this will change quickly among American and other " western" Muslims,though, as time goes by. SG , his family, and a lot of the American Muslims in this forum seem free of those problems.)

Plus , on the receiving end, there is already a prejudice ,recently more vehement due to the world situation, against Muslims and a distaste for learning from them due to distrust, fear, and ignorance. Harder to build bridges with that going on, no matter whose " fault" it is.

Now me, I have no excuse. Lol.

 

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9 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Now me, I have no excuse.

Where have you been all this while?

We have had a lot of drama while you were away and you were the chief protagonist in that drama.

Did you check the script? 

I even contributed my mite. 

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All  Christians are Trinitarian. Its the definition of Christianity. It's a bit of an oxymoron to speak of Christians without the Trinity. It's like trying to be Muslim without Muhammed. 

Groups that do not accept the Trinity are not considered "Christian"  by Christians.

Too lazy to look it up, but one question on a Muslim site ( do t remember the sect)  a long time ago was " if I can marry a Christian woman, how do I know if she's really a Christian? " The answer from the scholar came back like he had literally lifted the definition from the book of Catholic Canon Law. The groups listed as kosher for marriage were exactly the same as those accepted by the Catholic Church for a marriage to be considered canonically as between two Christians ( therefore sacramental) was, in short: Trinitarians. Those groups rejected by the mainstream churches should also be rejected for marriage. Ergo: No Mormons for Muslims, according to this guy. 

This makes sense. The Christianity Muslims encountered in the 7th century was already doctrinally set. They believed pretty much what Christians do today. So, if Muslims found a reason to like them then,they should like them now.

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, baqar said:

Where have you been all this while?

We have had a lot of drama while you were away and you were the chief protagonist in that drama.

Did you check the script? 

I even contributed my mite. 

I did, but mostly skimmed. Sorry. I've had a busy bear of a two days and just finished watching my  relatives and kids on the news. Proud of them. Proud of  your Shia Gentleman, too. He's grown into a good ally. Really brave. 

Might need to crash soon,though. So many battles and I'm not getting any younger.  Lol.

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8 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

You're very correct.
The interest is to increase one's connection with Allah (we love Allah and fear separating from Him), but this can only be done by obeying His commands and not your carnal desires I.e. submitting to the One who knows best, who created and sustains you... the only thing worthy of worship. BUT, if everyone goes to heaven, then there is no truth, life is no longer a test, and everything becomes totally meaningless... In such a case where there is no attainable truth, there is no straight path set by Allah. Submission to Allah becomes impossible if there are no rules to follow. Following Allah's message as revealed by Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and emulating his ettiquette would become void of meaning (a'udhu billah).

Or you could " follow the rules" because you love God and your neighbor, as Jesus says, and you think " the rules" are what is best for your community. Doing the right thing simply out of fear of punishment works, but it is the lowest level of morality,In my humble opinion. Even my dog does better than that. There was zero concept of hell around here locally before Christianity. It was still a well-ordered and moral place. Even the priests commented on it. Most folks here still don't worry too much about it even today to be honest,including me. Guess it's not cultural. 

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9 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

By reading you it looks like being a Muslim at the end is not so important to go to heaven but maybe I misunderstood you. 

I don't know why you came to such a conclusion. I clearly stated the Qur'anic verses 3:113-115,  and those principles are exactly same thing with Muslims too. 

Edited by Abu Nur

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2 hours ago, LeftCoastMom said:

Doing the right thing simply out of fear of punishment works, but it is the lowest level of morality,In my humble opinion.

Yeah... I literally said exactly this:

10 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

we love Allah and fear separating from Him

I.e. we don't fear Allah per se, we fear losing our connection and love for Allah.


Anyways, my point was that having no attainable truth prevents any form of accountability or justice in this life and the hereafter, AND it means that there is no straight path, thus no way of seeking closeness to Allah.

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آیت الله شهید سید عبد حسین دستغیب شیرازی

به گزارش رهیافتگان:

By: Ayatullah Shaheed Syed Abdul Husayn Dastaghaib Shirazi
There were two persons formerly Christians but later on they became Muslim. They lived in a city called Taleetah, perhaps in Morocco. I asked them the cause of their conversion. I asked them how you, former Christians, are now in deep search of Islamic truths. They replied: A few years ago, we were imprisoned in a jail. An Iraqi Muslim was also with us in our cell. Everyday he used to read Qur’an. As we did not know Arabic language, by and by we learned some words from that gentleman and began to understand a little from what he recited. One day he recited the verse:
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وَاسْأَلُوا اللَّهَ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ

“…and ask Allah of His grace…
Then he also recited the verse:
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ادْعُونِی أَسْتَجِبْ لَکُمْ

“Call upon Me, I will answer you…”
And he said that it was God’s Word. God also says:
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وَإِذَا سَأَلَکَ عِبَادِی عَنِّی فَإِنِّی قَرِیبٌ أُجِیبُ دَعْوَهَ الدَّاعِی إِذَا دَعَانِ

“And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me…”
If you want anything, say: O Allah, yourself. You don’t have to come to the Mosque. He does not order to come and to give hand in the hand of a scholar, but He says: “Anyone from My servants who wants Me, I am near him.” God is not far. He even does not want you to complain. He only asks to seek from Him whatever you want. You can even remember Him from your heart. He knows what is there in your heart. He says it is better if you recite supplication, as it is more effective.
When I heard these two or three verses of the Holy Qur’an, I told my companion, “See what the Prophet of Islam says; ........

https://rahyafteha.ir/7853/Christian-youths-become-rightly-guided-through-holy-Qur'an/

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16 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

I would like to believe that being a Muslim increases your chances based on the precepts of our religion

Brother

That may be possible but in most cases it sounds odd that the chances of a person who is born in a Muslim home should be improved.

What has he done to become Muslim?

Nothing!

He has inherited it.

15 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

How can any non-Muslim currently in the world have an excuse for not knowing what Islam and its beliefs are? 

It is very much possible for a non-Muslim in the modern world to have a distorted view of Islam.

Because many of those who have heard of Islam's beliefs are also confronted by hundreds of stories in Islamic history and hadith that show the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) in negative light. 

17 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

This is thread is just going back and forth with personal opinions in my opinion at this point. 

Then why don't you talk to real scholars?

Why waste your time here?

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