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Noor Taleb

God is infinite, but aren’t numbers infinite?

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2 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

God IS  INFINITE RIGHT THEN........

ARENT NUMBERS INFINTE?

What numbers? What are numbers? Infinite Numbers are a misrepresentation of the unknown or what we can’t understand. Before judgement day every living creation will die leaving only Allah who has always existed. 

Things like time, space, infinite numbers etc, are only relative to humans who are not infinite. Allah’s wisdom goes beyond science and math. He is the creator of science, math, time, space, and everything in between space. 

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2 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

God IS  INFINITE RIGHT THEN........

ARENT NUMBERS INFINTE?

My understanding, and I'm a poor mathematician but a semi-acceptable observer, is that numbers are finite and beyond the highest number, we are just dealing with symbolic representations and theories.

A googolplex is finite, beyond the finity of numbers mathematicians use things like Aleph-0, which I know nothing about other than it's not a number, I can't buy Aleph-0 boxes of Barfi and its usage is probably not useful to explain anything beyond theory.

To the human mind, while we like to think of infinite quantities, we cannot comprehend let alone write down what an infinite number looks like without resorting to using something that doesn't even resemble a number anymore. Does the human need to know the existence of 999 duotrigintillion googolplexes? Not really, and such figure has no significance other than comparison and theory. Are 999 duotrigintillion googolplexes even a correct number? I wouldn't know, and most people wouldn't, because we have finite understanding and there is no proof that numbers are infinite, we can theorise, but that wouldn't be answering your question.

So really, according to the realms of the human mind at least, numbers are finite, and I think that suits humans just fine. 

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I need to go count some sheep... One, two, three, fou...

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44 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

My understanding, and I'm a poor mathematician but a semi-acceptable observer, is that numbers are finite and beyond the highest number, we are just dealing with symbolic representations and theories.

A googolplex is finite, beyond the finity of numbers mathematicians use things like Aleph-0, which I know nothing about other than it's not a number, I can't buy Aleph-0 boxes of Barfi and its usage is probably not useful to explain anything beyond theory.

To the human mind, while we like to think of infinite quantities, we cannot comprehend let alone write down what an infinite number looks like without resorting to using something that doesn't even resemble a number anymore. Does the human need to know the existence of 999 duotrigintillion googolplexes? Not really, and such figure has no significance other than comparison and theory. Are 999 duotrigintillion googolplexes even a correct number? I wouldn't know, and most people wouldn't, because we have finite understanding and there is no proof that numbers are infinite, we can theorise, but that wouldn't be answering your question.

So really, according to the realms of the human mind at least, numbers are finite, and I think that suits humans just fine. 

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I need to go count some sheep... One, two, three, fou...

Thank you so much!

There are people on google literally saying universe is infinite because of some sort of potential Vs actual infinity concept and I did not get anything they said as I am a MATH HATER , so this explanation is way way easier to understand , thank you for making it easy.

God bless 

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2 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

Thank you so much!

There are people on google literally saying universe is infinite because of some sort of potential Vs actual infinity concept and I did not get anything they said as I am a MATH HATER , so this explanation is way way easier to understand , thank you for making it easy.

God bless 

Glad to be of some use!

May Allah bless you too.

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8 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

God IS  INFINITE RIGHT THEN........

ARENT NUMBERS INFINTE?

why are you basing your faith on other peoples definition of things? I mean if just a statement like that is able to deteer you from faith what about those far more complex things you will eventually come accross? Even pure philosophical arguments that can baffle a mind?

Your faith is not supposed to be based on non sanctioned abstract ideas, besides do you know why we learn all this science and all these theories? we learn them to see just how much we don’t know , that is what they inadvertently teach us, when you learn mathematics from the beginning it seems very solid and true and almost unbreakable, but as you dwel deeper into it you find there is so much we don’t know and how its rules break as you r understanding increases, same applies to physics , as you move from classic physics into relativity and quantum then things start to break, the laws don’t hold anymore and nobody knows anything and its so complex and  wavering that its almost too much for any real answer to stand solidy

but to learn physics or maths or whatever to those degrees u need to spend 10 years on each, and what you going to do? not pray not follow your religion, have doubts for 10 years? for each one? for biology for science for chemistry for phsyics?

faith requires just that faith, and hope in God, you can’t know everything from the start, later in life it reveals itself ot you anyway, but this is the test now are you going to just turn back on your heels till u get a satisfactory answer or you going to just deny everything until u have a answer which you are satisifed

you know what that is? thats Ego vs God, your Ego vs God which will you choose to worship, as if God has ot bend the knee to you before you choose to accept Him, as if He is below you or He has to serve yo and openly then will you choose to serve Him

this life is a test, this is teh test it is truly faith based, and God has promised that if you HAVE faith He wil reveal the truth to you, and it doesnt take 10 years or 10 months, but once faith is established you will get the proof you need but YOU have to take the first step not God taking the first step towards you

He did not create you so that He serves you, rather the other way and if you choose your ego then you will be forgotten like the rest into the abyss of Hell

this new movement of Muslism having to agree their religion to what science says is truly a total catastrophe and total step in the opposite direction

think about the people before you, what did they have what did they know? and yet their faith was so strong they willingly walked into a situation which got them killed tortured suffered and son and so forth

this last nation is truly the weakest as Musa told Muhammad(Peace be upon them both) and as the Qur'an says that the last generations will comprise the majority of those who go to Hell

its no wonder we were born in this time away from all the Prophets from Imams, from miracles and so on and so forth, little divine attention was given to this last nation cause they are so faithless and weak

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8 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

God IS  INFINITE RIGHT THEN........

ARENT NUMBERS INFINTE?

This is an argument I heard.

1 + 1 = 2 is infinite. We did not invent this, rather we discovered it.

But, in order for this to be infinite, since it is a abstract concept, it must exist in an eternal mind. 

That eternal mind, is the mind of God, the necessary being. 

Edited by Follower of Ahlulbayt

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8 hours ago, AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola said:

What numbers? What are numbers? Infinite Numbers are a misrepresentation of the unknown or what we can’t understand. Before judgement day every living creation will die leaving only Allah who has always existed. 

Things like time, space, infinite numbers etc, are only relative to humans who are not infinite. Allah’s wisdom goes beyond science and math. He is the creator of science, math, time, space, and everything in between space. 

Beautiful, I couldn't have said it any better!

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4 hours ago, Guest theObserver said:

why are you basing your faith on other peoples definition of things? I mean if just a statement like that is able to deteer you from faith what about those far more complex things you will eventually come accross? Even pure philosophical arguments that can baffle a mind?

Your faith is not supposed to be based on non sanctioned abstract ideas, besides do you know why we learn all this science and all these theories? we learn them to see just how much we don’t know , that is what they inadvertently teach us, when you learn mathematics from the beginning it seems very solid and true and almost unbreakable, but as you dwel deeper into it you find there is so much we don’t know and how its rules break as you r understanding increases, same applies to physics , as you move from classic physics into relativity and quantum then things start to break, the laws don’t hold anymore and nobody knows anything and its so complex and  wavering that its almost too much for any real answer to stand solidy

but to learn physics or maths or whatever to those degrees u need to spend 10 years on each, and what you going to do? not pray not follow your religion, have doubts for 10 years? for each one? for biology for science for chemistry for phsyics?

faith requires just that faith, and hope in God, you can’t know everything from the start, later in life it reveals itself ot you anyway, but this is the test now are you going to just turn back on your heels till u get a satisfactory answer or you going to just deny everything until u have a answer which you are satisifed

you know what that is? thats Ego vs God, your Ego vs God which will you choose to worship, as if God has ot bend the knee to you before you choose to accept Him, as if He is below you or He has to serve yo and openly then will you choose to serve Him

this life is a test, this is teh test it is truly faith based, and God has promised that if you HAVE faith He wil reveal the truth to you, and it doesnt take 10 years or 10 months, but once faith is established you will get the proof you need but YOU have to take the first step not God taking the first step towards you

He did not create you so that He serves you, rather the other way and if you choose your ego then you will be forgotten like the rest into the abyss of Hell

this new movement of Muslism having to agree their religion to what science says is truly a total catastrophe and total step in the opposite direction

think about the people before you, what did they have what did they know? and yet their faith was so strong they willingly walked into a situation which got them killed tortured suffered and son and so forth

this last nation is truly the weakest as Musa told Muhammad(Peace be upon them both) and as the Qur'an says that the last generations will comprise the majority of those who go to Hell

its no wonder we were born in this time away from all the Prophets from Imams, from miracles and so on and so forth, little divine attention was given to this last nation cause they are so faithless and weak

Umm damn so harsh but thanks for the response :)

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17 minutes ago, Noor Taleb said:

Umm damn so harsh but thanks for the response :)

yes im sorry your right, reading it back it was harsh, I meant well, but just annoyed with all the science approval people are seeking for their beliefs , its like if the religion doesnt approve the science or the science doesnt approve the religion, people are ready to discard whatever is the topic

like science is the ultimate truth , God hasnt approved it , so why are people so adamant on it , we have t realize and accept that we are requires at some point to have blind faith, thats just the way the test is setup, and it doesnt hurt you or harm you in any way, its not a life ending decision, just try it and see how u go

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15 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

God IS  INFINITE RIGHT THEN........

ARENT NUMBERS INFINTE?

Salam walaikum

Allah created the concept of infinite. Anything used to describe Allah is not Allah it’s just an attribute. 

Nahjul Balagha 

Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking Earth with rocks.

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16 hours ago, Noor Taleb said:

God IS  INFINITE RIGHT THEN........

ARENT NUMBERS INFINTE?

God is the Creator of infinity.

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 18:

وَإِن تَعُدُّوا نِعْمَةَ اللَّهِ لَا تُحْصُوهَا إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَغَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

And if you would count Allah's favors, you will not be able to number them; most surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (English - Shakir) 

 

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1 hour ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Salam walaikum

Allah created the concept of infinite. Anything used to describe Allah is not Allah it’s just an attribute. 

Nahjul Balagha 

Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking Earth with rocks.

Thank you for your feedback

 

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30 minutes ago, Guest Light said:

God is the Creator of infinity.

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 18:

وَإِن تَعُدُّوا نِعْمَةَ اللَّهِ لَا تُحْصُوهَا إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَغَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

And if you would count Allah's favors, you will not be able to number them; most surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (English - Shakir) 

 

Thank you so so much !  

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