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A response to the wahhabi documentary! (Islamic Pulse)

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13 minutes ago, starlight said:

And in other news ...Alhumdollilah Shias and Sunnis breaking fast and praying together.

The fitnah mongers in the wahabbis will always try and spread fitnah, lest their petrodollar income is stopped.

The person in the cartoon video, why is he scared to show his face?? 

They should learn a thing or two from this thread and the Shias. We don't blindly defend what's wrong. This is the basic difference between us and them. If someone from us makes a mistake or says something wrong he gets pointed out and criticised too. So it's not 1 vs 3, for us it's right vs wrong.

It's completely true but I see it an staged fitnah at first a radical Christian attacked to Muslims in christchurch but when they saw strengthening of Muslims & Christians instead of hatred in s3comd phase they attacked to Christians in Sri Lanka in name of Muslims in a country that Muslims were in trouble with Buddhist but tried it to make it a Christian -Muslim war again that in tthese incodents Christians were more positive about Shias but in start of month of Ramadan that all sects become close together they stared a new war with Shias to separate us from other sects & some Christians by engaging us in war with them as coalition of wahabbists & Zionists because they want a war with Iran beside fulfilling so called deal of century because they know first group in Muslims that will citize it will be Shias that they want distract our mind's from  plan for war with Iran &  finalizing deal of century with Israel

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6 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

See from 4:15

Y'all Youtube famous now guys :clap:

We made it. We da best.

 

@AStruggler @Hassan- @Ibn al-Hussain @Ibn Al-Ja'abi @starlight 

 

Congratulations to all of the above, may God grant you all wisdom in action and sincerity in your deen and may He protect you all from acts without wisdom, such as being unthoughtful or saying things without thinking that it may later be used against you or faith without sincerity, such as boasting or alternating the way you speak when theres a crowd listening so that they may like you and that in turn would decide if you would like yourself or not.

May God protect us all from being among those who have time to complain about others work but never time enough to do some work themselves.
I hope we are all satisfied with the way we have spent our time during this month of Ramadan, so satisfied that if we were to die before we get the chance to take part of this blessed and holy month again, we would die satisfied with how we spent the last Ramadan of our lives on Earth.

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On 5/12/2019 at 12:18 PM, starlight said:

Do not make friendship with a fool because when he will try to do you good he will do you harm. - Imam Ali(عليه السلام) 

Muzaffer Hyder is that foolish friend. 

Given recent developments, do you still insist this was the right tone and rhetoric to use against brother Muzaffer Hyder? 

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13 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

He probably might take a much needed break or saw we were mocking his cartoon face. So he may recruit someone braver.

Knowledge not required

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I'm surprised that he isn't concerned about the possibility of a Shia volunteering under taqiyya in order to subvert the narrative by making dog whistles that only fellow Shias would understand, for example subtly flashing 313 with his fingers throughout the video. :hahaha: Note to TSD (who apparently reads these comments obsessively and seriously takes it to heart) that this is a joke and obviously not a permissible use of taqiya. 

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3 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

I'm surprised that he isn't concerned about the possibility of a Shia volunteering under taqiyya in order to subvert the narrative by making dog whistles that only fellow Shias would understand, for example subtly flashing 313 with his fingers throughout the video. :hahaha: Note to TSD (who apparently reads these comments obsessively and seriously takes it to heart) that this is a joke and obviously not a permissible use of taqiya. 

Oh worry not. One of his fanboys has already thought of such a scenario and warned him about it.

 

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4 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

Note to TSD (who apparently reads these comments obsessively and seriously takes it to heart) 

Understatement. I think many don't realise that this Bu Noor character (pun not intended) behind TSD has even posted on page 6 of this very thread as a guest:

He still is yet to respond to my reply asking for a name of one of these "large Shia mosques" (a jama3) in Manama, as shaikh Google only came back with 2, which were Sunni.

And don't tell me you of all people not read my post Bu Noor!

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1 hour ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

He still is yet to respond to my reply asking for a name of one of these "large Shia mosques" (a jama3) in Manama, as shaikh Google only came back with 2, which were Sunni.

And don't tell me you of all people not read my post Bu Noor!

Salam all Shia mosques in Bahrain belongs to before time of Al-Khalifa regime all of them made from old time until Pahlavi dynasty that Shah of Iran gifted it to british & American agents in name of independence but after establishing Al-Khalifa dynasty in Bahrain ,they stated to demolishing Shia mosque that in recent years this process accelerated by them anyway separating Bahrain from Iran was painful for all Iranians that even now some of anti Iranian regime groups are claiming that want to fix this error & return Bahrain to Iran in any cost  .

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30 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam all Shia mosques in Bahrain belongs to before time of Al-Khalifa regime all of them made from old time 

Yes I know. But Bu Noor is trying to insinuate how magnanamous the regime is to it's Shia subjects in having these alleged multiple large Shia masjids in the capital, (in contrast to Iran's capital not having an official Sunni one).

Next he'll be claiming there are many in Riyadh.

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The TSD’s “no knowledge requirement” just made me laugh so hard, at last the People of Ignorance are truthful and admitted to the simple facts :hahaha: . This IS with whom we have to deal with since ever; no knowledge required, just be good at propaganda and brainwashing. The deaf lead the blind. It is a true tragedy of this dunya. 

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37 minutes ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

The TSD’s “no knowledge requirement” just made me laugh so hard, at last the People of Ignorance are truthful and admitted to the simple facts :hahaha: . This IS with whom we have to deal with since ever; no knowledge required, just be good at propaganda and brainwashing. The deaf lead the blind. It is a true tragedy of this dunya. 

 

Well to me it seems, they want someone charismatic and that someone doesn't have to be knowledgeable because TSD already has many knowledgeable members. It's like being a TV host or a news reporter, you don't have to be knowledgeable about all topics as long as you're good on screen and attracting viewers. That way the message can be delivered further. For example, there is some bald guy on youtube who a lot of channels hire for information videos purely because he has a talent for the camera and he talks about all manner of topics. I don't know his name but you've probably seen him.

Why do some of you find this concept funny? It happens regularly in industries/set ups where people provide content for public consumption. 

Well they made a video with some claims about Shiaism and Iran, this Pulse person replied and basically said it was false but you guys literally refuted Pulse. So they ended up being pretty truthful, how can truth be propaganda?

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6 hours ago, Berke said:

 

Well to me it seems, they want someone charismatic and that someone doesn't have to be knowledgeable because TSD already has many knowledgeable members. It's like being a TV host or a news reporter, you don't have to be knowledgeable about all topics as long as you're good on screen and attracting viewers. That way the message can be delivered further. For example, there is some bald guy on youtube who a lot of channels hire for information videos purely because he has a talent for the camera and he talks about all manner of topics. I don't know his name but you've probably seen him.

Why do some of you find this concept funny? It happens regularly in industries/set ups where people provide content for public consumption. 

I know what was meant by “knowledge not required”, but it still sounds funny and ultimately truthful. 

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Well they made a video with some claims about Shiaism and Iran, this Pulse person replied and basically said it was false but you guys literally refuted Pulse. So they ended up being pretty truthful, how can truth be propaganda?

I’ve never heard of “Shiaism”, what’s that? We refuted Pulse because from the beginning he produced tons of videos where at times he doesn’t know what he is talking about and it shouldn’t be accepted. Unlike your lot, we don’t blindly accept everything, even when it somehow goes against our own interests. Justice and truthfulness are fundamental for religious Shi’ite Muslims.

They ended up being pretty lame and lying. The Wahhabi channel’s sole mission is to insult, mock and male fun of orthodox Islam. They keep pupping up like mushrooms after rain all over YouTube. If Shia Islam isn’t true, then why dedicated their whole lives to it :hahaha:? You don’t see orthodox scholars running channels dedicated solely to refutation, pardon insulting and mocking, Sunnism. If something isn’t true, you aren’t afraid of it. Besides, Wahhabis behind such initiatives aren’t scholars, meanwhile our ulama studies books past and present to attain any respectable rank in the field of knowledge. We don’t take anything, be it arguments or knowledge,’from the ignorant, self-made “scholars”.  

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12 hours ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

I know what was meant by “knowledge not required”, but it still sounds funny and ultimately truthful. 

I’ve never heard of “Shiaism”, what’s that? We refuted Pulse because from the beginning he produced tons of videos where at times he doesn’t know what he is talking about and it shouldn’t be accepted. Unlike your lot, we don’t blindly accept everything, even when it somehow goes against our own interests. Justice and truthfulness are fundamental for religious Shi’ite Muslims.

They ended up being pretty lame and lying. The Wahhabi channel’s sole mission is to insult, mock and male fun of orthodox Islam. They keep pupping up like mushrooms after rain all over YouTube. If Shia Islam isn’t true, then why dedicated their whole lives to it :hahaha:? You don’t see orthodox scholars running channels dedicated solely to refutation, pardon insulting and mocking, Sunnism. If something isn’t true, you aren’t afraid of it. Besides, Wahhabis behind such initiatives aren’t scholars, meanwhile our ulama studies books past and present to attain any respectable rank in the field of knowledge. We don’t take anything, be it arguments or knowledge,’from the ignorant, self-made “scholars”.  

Well I think they seem quite knowledgeable if they seem to know even more than a channel which is based right out of Qom. They can't be lying because some of you confirmed parts of their video as being true. 

They're not just a group of wahaabis, they come from a range of different Sunni backgrounds, it was mentioned on their forum. I think some of you on this website purely call people wahaabis simply for them being antagonistic towards shiaism, that's not very intellectual. 

Well just because something isn't true, it doesn't mean people can't criticise or make videos against it. Muslims make videos refuting atheism all the time in the same manner. 

Whilst Shia scholars may not be running youtube channels, they certainly seem to be saying plenty of bad things about Sunnis in their speeches and in their books. I mean this whole thread is based on Khomeini saying some pretty evil things about certain sahaba (رضي الله عنه) and Aisha (رضي الله عنه). 

The last sentence is certainly not true. The only reason Pulse is able to run that channel is because he does attract a good chunk of Shia who watch his videos for arguments & knowledge. 

 

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18 hours ago, Berke said:

 because TSD already has many knowledgeable members

 

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On 5/11/2019 at 3:29 PM, Ibn al-Hussain said:

:salam:

Sigh. Horrible come back - such a rookie mistake at 3:35 he completely misunderstood the Arabic. Can't be making such blunders on such a large platform.

Trust me, most people won't even notice it until it is mentioned. 

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If you want to cringe, read the following comment section:

A few gems:

"I wouldn't wait for that [referring to the returnal of Imam al-Mahdi]. The day of justice is the day of judgement we just need to fill our balance and prepare."

Astagfirullah. This is a straight up misguided blasphameous belief, is it not? ...believing that you won't be accountable for not working towards the return of Imam Al-Mahdi on the day of judgment

"Saudi Arabia is 100x better and has done now for Muslims worldwide while Iran has killed so many Muslims..."

Epic revisionist history. I suppose the Saudi-United States genocide didn't happen in Yemen?

"They are a very effective warlord in killing Muslims"

What a hot take /s. Let's make it all about Muslims... who even cares if they're oppressors! Let's make it all about Muslims... who even cares if these particular groups they fight against are tyrant oppressors... 'they're still killing Muslims so it doesn't matter'

"Iran's existence is a terrible reality for Muslims... they are misguided in religion"

Even if we are misguided... how is that a threat to the correctly guided Muslims?

This shows that their concern is not with helping the oppressed fight against the oppressors, but rather they are concerned that Shi'ism will be spread if Iran is victorious in any of these conflicts.

"Iran is just as bad as Saudi Arabia but some people still think it's superior for some reason"

...that's why...

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18 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

A genuine question. Is it common to emigrate to the Islamic Republic of Iran? Is it something Shi'a Muslims do very often?

Salam , it’s not common & Shia Muslims don’t do it very often but there is some examples specially  from new converts from around world that migrated to Iran & mostly become residents of the city of Qom & Mashhad specially Qom that you can find their stories in this site https://rahyafteha.ir/ that specially works on this matter.

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33 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , it’s not common & Shia Muslims don’t do it very often but there is some examples specially  from new converts from around world that migrated to Iran & mostly become residents of the city of Qom & Mashhad specially Qom that you can find their stories in this site https://rahyafteha.ir/ that specially works on this matter.

But these persons are not just students who came temporaly to Iran for religious studies ?

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20 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

But these persons are not just students who came temporaly to Iran for religious studies ?

Salam there is between them persons that come for permanent staying that also start studying in Hawza

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , it’s not common & Shia Muslims don’t do it very often but there is some examples specially  from new converts from around world that migrated to Iran & mostly become residents of the city of Qom & Mashhad specially Qom that you can find their stories in this site https://rahyafteha.ir/ that specially works on this matter.

Walaikum salam. True, I did know of a a revert who went to Qom to study. Now married with a daughter. 

I was just wondering because Sunnis in Britain (often reverts, but not always) sometimes emigrate to Muslim countries and wondered whether it was something done across the board so to speak.

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I have a quick theological question for the brothers and sisters on here; is calling Aisha, Talha and az Zubair more impure than dogs and pigs considered La3n or is it considered sabb? بارك الله فيكم

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7 hours ago, Guest Just Wondering said:

I have a quick theological question for the brothers and sisters on here; is calling Aisha, Talha and az Zubair more impure than dogs and pigs considered La3n or is it considered sabb? بارك الله فيكم

Salam non of them Imam Khomeini talks about Khawarij & brings name of Aisha as symbol political & social opposition against Imam Ali (عليه السلام) that in the end considers worst thing that we can think and refutes it.

http://www.Imam-Khomeini.ir/fa/c78_124286/کتاب/امام_خمینی_و_حکومت_اسلامی_مأخذشناسی_اندیشه_سیاسی_امام/کشف_الاسرار

Ruhollah Khomeini wrote Kashf al-Asrar to answer questions about the credibility of Islamic and Shia beliefs that originated in a pamphlet called The Thousand-Year Secrets, which was written by Ali Akbar Hakamizada, who had abandoned clerical studies at Qom seminary.

Kashf al-Asraris the first book that expresses Khomeini's political views.

 

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The Thousand-Year Secrets was supported by Ahmad Kasravi and Mirza Rida Quli Shari'at-Sanglaji (d. 1944), the Wahhabi-influenced Shia scholar.[1][7] Along with the publication of the pamphlet, objections were raised by scholars and seminary students. According to Ayatollah Hossein Badala and Bagheri, some scholars decided to respond to it. One of the responses was written by Mehdi Al-KhalissiKashf al-Asrar was another answer to the pamphlet; Ruhollah Khomeini taught philosophy at that time. Qom Seminary selected Kashf al-Asrar as answers to Hakimzada's questions in The Thousand-Year Secrets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashf_al-Asrar

 

 

he refers to a narration that mentions in two pages earlier from Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام)

«عن ابی عبدالله (علیه السلام) فی حدیث قال: و الناصب لنا أهلَ البيت، و هو شرّهم؛ فإنّ اللّٰه تبارك و تعالى لم يخلق خلقاً أنجس من الكلب، و إنّ الناصب لنا أهلَ البيت لأنجس منه»

Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) said in the hadith: Those who reveal their enmity and Humility  toward us the  the AhleBeit, and they say evil to us, are most evil creatures. Allah does not create a creature that is more impure than a dog, and Nawasib  of the households are  more unclean than dog.

بلکه به خاطر معارضات حکومتی و یا اغراض دیگر باشد، مثل عایشه و زبیر و معاویه و امثال اینها


But because of Government disputes or other reasons, such as Ayesha, Zubayr and Mu'awiya, and the like.

but they  except Mu'awiya (la) don't say evil to Imam Ali (عليه السلام) 

https://www.valiasr-aj.com/persian/shownews.php?idnews=7355

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On 5/19/2019 at 5:20 PM, Guest Just Wondering said:

I have a quick theological question for the brothers and sisters on here; is calling Aisha, Talha and az Zubair more impure than dogs and pigs considered La3n or is it considered sabb? بارك الله فيكم

I think you have been answered before. The answer is again, he never said they are impure than dogs.

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3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

I think you have been answered before. The answer is again, he never said they are impure than dogs.

 

Sorry akhi, but the word khabeeth also can also mean impure, and the discussion was about in Kitab At Tahaara... but I digress.  I guess dogs and pigs are “wicked” in Islam and not impure.

Either case, is calling her wicked “أخبث" considered la3n or sabb?

For the record, tonight during the “wicked” Taraweeh; I heard the Imam recite “الخبيثون للخبيثات" and I remembered Khamenei’s discussion about Ayesha and thought how it was interesting that he used that specific word to describe her

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Try to understand that in his statement he do not mean they are impure. Here is the translation:

As for the remaining groups of the Nāṣib, even the Khawārij, there is no evidence for their impurity, even though they are the worst in punishment from among the disbelievers. If a power were to rebel against Amīr al-Muʾminīn (a), not for religious reasons, rather for kingship or other goals — such as ʿĀʾisha, Zubayr, Ṭalḥa, Muʿāwiya, and their like — or holding enmity for him or any one of the Imams (a), not for religious reasons but for enmity of Quraysh, Banū Hāshim, the Arabs, or due to his being the killer of his child, father, etc., apparently none of this necessitates outward impurity. Even though they are worse than dogs and pigs, [this is due] to the lack of evidence from consensus or reports for this."

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Either case, is calling her wicked “أخبث" considered la3n or sabb?

None of them. Because enemy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) are in reality and status worst than pig or dogs. This we both agree.

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23 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

None of them. Because enemy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) are in reality and status worst than pig or dogs. This we both agree.

I don’t agree that Ayesha is the enemy of God nor do I agree that a Muslim would call the wife of a Prophet as خبيثة considering the verse "الخبيثون للخبيثات"... I also don’t understand how calling her “أخبث" is neither a la3n nor is it a sabb. 

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Brothers and sisters, let us be careful calling revered Sunni symbols, let alone the wife of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as an enemy of God. 

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10 minutes ago, Guest Just Saying said:

I don’t agree that Ayesha is the enemy of God nor do I agree that a Muslim would call the wife of a Prophet as خبيثة considering the verse "الخبيثون للخبيثات"... I also don’t understand how calling her “أخبث" is neither a la3n nor is it a sabb. 

I can refer a person and say they are wicked because of their evil intentions and actions and their heart that have reached such a darkness without me sending la'nah or insult to them. 

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1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

I can refer a person and say they are wicked because of their evil intentions and actions and their heart that have reached such a darkness without me sending la'nah or insult to them. 

You don't consider calling a person who considers themselves religious as "wicked" to be a sabb?  I, along with all non-12ers, find that to be a sabb.  I'm sorry that you have convinced yourself otherwise.  In fact, at this point I was thinking of calling you more "wicked" than dogs and pigs, because according to you that is neither a sabb or a la3n, but I honestly couldn't bring myself to do it.

Also, why do you keep ignoring that Khomenei called Ayesha "أخبث" when Allah says in the Qur'an "الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ"; how does that no bother you?

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