Sri Lanka Bans Niqab

[Mohammadi_follower]

In general what do you think about countries banning this dress for "security" reasons ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-Asia-48088834

[aaaz1618]

In this case, it's a complete knee jerk reaction. I don't remember that terrorist wearing a niqab and walking into the church.

I don't disagree entirely with regulating things, but it has to be specific to security and it has to be a wide ban not just on niqab, but any form of wear that could cover identifiable facial features, including sunglasses and baseball caps. I don't see the laws including hats and sunglasses, it's very much balaclavas, motorbike helmets and niqabs. People don't walk around in balaclavas unless they are bank robbers and people generally know by now to take helmets off, so really, the law is just targeting niqabis. An easy target really, women, "oppressed women" (their words not mine).

Much harder to stop people from wearing Ray-Bans and Nike caps, but these are just as serious.

[realizm]

1 hour ago, aaaz1618 said:

In this case, it's a complete knee jerk reaction. I don't remember that terrorist wearing a niqab and walking into the church.

I don't disagree entirely with regulating things, but it has to be specific to security and it has to be a wide ban not just on niqab, but any form of wear that could cover identifiable facial features, including sunglasses and baseball caps. I don't see the laws including hats and sunglasses, it's very much balaclavas, motorbike helmets and niqabs. People don't walk around in balaclavas unless they are bank robbers and people generally know by now to take helmets off, so really, the law is just targeting niqabis. An easy target really, women, "oppressed women" (their words not mine).

Much harder to stop people from wearing Ray-Bans and Nike caps, but these are just as serious.

I think the method was used in many attacks actually.

[Akbar673]

What is the official ruling on Hijab/Niaqab/Chador as per the Jafari fiqh?

Which is required? 

[Mohammadi_follower]

10 minutes ago, realizm said:

I think the method was used in many attacks actually.

I heard some cases in countries attacked by boko haram (nigeria cameroon) but that was really an exception so I don’t know if these is really a good argument here.

[Guest theObserver]

If they banned this due to security issues, good on them, prevent these lunatics a channel to do evil in the name of our religion

[Simon the Canaanite]

1 hour ago, realizm said:

I think the method was used in many attacks actually.

Many female suicide bombers used the method in Iraq, long ago. They used it to surpass checkpoints, and then detonate at a mosque, or public place.

[Haji 2003]

16 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

In general what do you think about countries banning this dress for "security" reasons ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-Asia-48088834

They have to be seen to be doing something. It has a tinge of Islamophobia about it, but that was the bombers' intention in the first place. There seems to be no other reason for an attack such as this.

What challenges my worldview in terms of this attack is that I've always felt the Gulf Arab states were behind ISIS etc. But the UAE has a significant Tamil population, they can do without any animosity between Tamils and Muslims.

Last thing some lazybones Emirati needs is a Tamil spitting in their coffee before serving it.

[Mohammadi_follower]

25 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Many female suicide bombers used the method in Iraq, long ago. They used it to surpass checkpoints, and then detonate at a mosque, or public place.

I understand that but at the end of the day most suicide bombers didn't even used that didn't they? Also there are many countries were many females wear it and no terrorist attack happen. 

[Simon the Canaanite]

4 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I understand that but at the end of the day most suicide bombers didn't even used that didn't they? Also there are many countries were many females wear it and no terrorist attack happen. 

The exact opposite is correct, most of the suicide bombers were females at that time, and they used that method.

[aaaz1618]

2 hours ago, realizm said:

I think the method was used in many attacks actually.

But not this one, so what is the logic? If anything needs banning it's backpacks!

[Revert1963]

First about the garment. I have not seen any reliable justification based on the Qur'an that the Niqab would be a religious requirement or preference. From a human perspective it literally set up a boundary between the wearer and other people they meet in the street, hindering communication. This could of cause hinder haram interactions, but it will not stop them any more than other garments that show more of the face. I would not wear it my self on a regular basis. Of cause I can never say never, because I my self once thought I would never wear a Chador and to day I actually have a good feeling about wearing one. I do think though that the face veil is completely unnecessary. On the other hand it is a woman's right to wear it if it's her thing and she get a religious fulfillment from it. Therefor I am completely against banning it. Even in my country where the only ones wearing a Niqab, both before and after the Niqab ban, are Salafis.

I agree that there would be a security risk if a person with a face veil or a balaclava entered into a bank or a similar place where there is a risk of someone committing a crime. To the extent that it constitutes a problem, it is only if the perpetrator tries to get away and you need to identify who committed the crime. In case of suicide bombers it is rarely so. At least parts of them stay put after they have blown them selves up. With or with out Niqab it doesn't make a difference. In countries where Muslims is in a minority, like Sri Lanka and countries in Europe, terrorists would probably be more inclined to dress as a non-Muslim in order to blend in. People who are visible Muslims does get checked more thoroughly in airport security and similar places. So banning the Niqab will not stop suicide bombers.

I think the politicians who wants to ban the Niqab are really trying to buy into Islamophobic sentiments and possibly pave the way for further sanctions and animosity against Muslims.

[Mohammadi_follower]

1 hour ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

The exact opposite is correct, most of the suicide bombers were females at that time, and they used that method.

Hm not so sure honnestly. The "white widows" in Russia didn't wear niqab if I am not wrong. 

[Simon the Canaanite]

1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Hm not so sure honnestly. The "white widows" in Russia didn't wear niqab if I am not wrong. 

Who mentioned Russia? I was talking about Iraq and the Middle East...

And this woman could’ve worn the veil, for all we know..

Edited April 29, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Mohammadi_follower]

2 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Who mentioned Russia? I was talking about Iraq and the Middle East...

And this woman could’ve worn the veil, for all we know..

Most attack in Middle East had not been commited by niqabi women. By the way what is Shia opinion about niqab? 

[Simon the Canaanite]

4 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Most attack in Middle East had not been commited by niqabi women. By the way what is Shia opinion about niqab? 

And who told you that..? I’m Middle Eastern, and I tell you, that most of the female suicide bombers were covering their faces. But, that doesn’t mean that I’m against women that cover their face, it’s their own free will. I was being factual.

As for the opinion on it, jurists differ. But for me, I agree with it. I was merely being factual, as I said.

And by the way, that also doesn’t mean that I’m with the decision of prohibiting it.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Mohammadi_follower]

2 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

And who told you that..? I’m Middle Eastern, and I tell you, that most of the female suicide bombers were covering their faces. But, that doesn’t mean that I’m against women that cover their face, it’s their own free will. I was being factual.

As for the opinion on it, jurists differ. But for me, I agree with it. I was merely being factual, as I said.

And by the way, that also doesn’t mean that I’m with the decision of prohibiting it.

I am also from Middle East.... 

[Simon the Canaanite]

1 minute ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I am also from Middle East.... 

Guess what I found about the 'White Widow..!'

She covered her face, so your argument is invalid.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Simon the Canaanite]

What country are you from in the Middle East?

[Mohammadi_follower]

23 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Guess what I found about the 'White Widow..!'

She covered her face, so your argument is invalid.

Sorry I make a mistake. I was in reality talking about BLACK widows https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(Chechnya) 

[OrthodoxTruth]

7 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

What is the official ruling on Hijab/Niaqab/Chador as per the Jafari fiqh?

Which is required? 

Hijab is always wajib. The rest is your choice. In the Jafari fiqh, woman should always cover in front of men who are not her mahram. However, it is not mandatory for women to cover the face, hands and feet but some maraji’, as per precaution, ruled covering such parts as an mustahab act, especially when visiting the shrines or prominent scholars of Islam. There’s plenty of Shia sisters wearing niqab in Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq or Pakistan. Others tend to wear jilbab or chador (Iran, Iraq), instead of a simple veil for the modesty reasons. I personally like when when women wear niqab or chador instead of a simple hijab, I find it more modest. 

^ 15 July 2011: Shiite women read the Qur'an outside of the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf.

Edited April 29, 2019 by OrthodoxTruth

[Akbar673]

17 hours ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

Hijab is always wajib. The rest is your choice.

So based on that for Sri Lanka to ban the Niqab does not violate the Jafari Fiqh or the rights of the women who follow the Jafari Fiqh. 

17 hours ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

However, it is not mandatory for women to cover the face, hands and feet but some maraji’, as per precaution, ruled covering such parts as an mustahab act, especially when visiting the shrines or prominent scholars of Islam.

Again, the Ski Lanka law does not violate that.

17 hours ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

There’s plenty of Shia sisters wearing niqab in Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq or Pakistan. Others tend to wear jilbab or chador (Iran, Iraq), instead of a simple veil for the modesty reasons.

but that's simply out of personal preference. Niqab, Jilbab or Chador not required in the Jafari Fiqh, right?

17 hours ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

I personally like when when women wear niqab or chador instead of a simple hijab, I find it more modest. 

Are you a Man or a Woman?

So based on this information, the law in Sri Lanka does not violate the laws of Hijab in the Jafari Fiqh. Therefore the law is a valid one.

[Simon the Canaanite]

20 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Sorry I make a mistake. I was in reality talking about BLACK widows https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(Chechnya) 

As if that’s going to change anything...

Here are the ‘Black Widows,’ you've requested..

“A female Chechen fighter. About half of the suicide bombers in Russia have been women.” (Source)

“Chechen Black Widows: The lethal female terrorists ever.” (Source)

“A woman, one of fifty armed Chechens who seized a crowded Moscow theater in October 2002, poses with a pistol somewhere inside the theater in this image from a Russian television station. Some of the women claimed to be widows of ethnic Chechen insurgents.” (Source)

“This is the baby-faced 'Black Widow' suspected of blowing up herself and scores of commuters on the Moscow underground this week.” (Source)

“Russia says seventeen-year-old was one of 'black widows' who attacked Moscow metro.” (Source)

Edited April 30, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Mohammadi_follower]

21 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

 

Dear brother this is not very honnest to pic some particular with women wearing niqab while you could also find many other where they don't wear it. Also if I am not wrong most suicide bombers are actually men who don't wear niqab. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

8 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Dear brother this is not very honnest to pic some particular with women wearing niqab while you could also find many other where they don't wear it. Also if I am not wrong most suicide bombers are actually men who don't wear niqab. 

Salam also some Isis men were using Niqab & women costume to do suicide attacks or run from battlefields after their defeat from Shias in Iraq & Syria.

[Simon the Canaanite]

28 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Dear brother this is not very honnest to pic some particular with women wearing niqab while you could also find many other where they don't wear it. Also if I am not wrong most suicide bombers are actually men who don't wear niqab. 

You seem unread of the topic you’re talking about...

The list of terrorists that had worn veils or clothes of women is long, but here’s one, captured in Iraq:

And here are two, captured in the northern countryside of Aleppo:

 

Edited April 30, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Mohammadi_follower]

8 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

You seem unread of the topic you’re talking about...

The list of terrorists that had worn veils or clothes of women is long, but here’s one, captured in Iraq:

And here are two, captured in the northern countryside of Aleppo:

 

I think you don't want to debate but you just want to show that you are supposedly right so you and me lose our time and I think there is absolutely no need to continue this conversation. Salam. 

[Mohammadi_follower]

28 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam also some Isis men were using Niqab & women costume to do suicide attacks or run from battlefields after their defeat from Shias in Iraq & Syria.

Yeah but most of them don't even used it for attacks. As for running from battlefield this is true but with this logic we could also say that we must forbid razor because many of them espaced just by cutting their haires and beards. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Yeah but most of them don't even used it for attacks. As for running from battlefield this is true but with this logic we could also say that we must forbid razor because many of them espaced just by cutting their haires and beards. 

But they were making themselves like women to do suicide attack but after blowing up we can’t find their bodies , they were using this filthy tactic to attack people in early days but people found out about their tactics & prevented them from doing it that at the end they used it again to run away from battlefields.

[Simon the Canaanite]

3 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Yeah but most of them don't even used it for attacks. As for running from battlefield this is true but with this logic we could also say that we must forbid razor because many of them espaced just by cutting their haires and beards. 

You can’t deny the obvious, unless you’re oblivious.

January 4, 2009. “A male suicide bomber dressed as a woman, killed 38 and injured 72 Shi’ite pilgrims.” (Source)

April 24, 2009. “Two female suicide bombers killed at least 66 people and wounded 125 others as people were heading towards the mosque for Friday prayers.

“The bomber was a woman wearing an abaya, a robe-like dress,” said Maj. Gen. Qassim Atta, military spokesman for Fardh al-Qanoon, an interagency domestic security body.” (Source)

And here are Iranian women wearing explosive belts (suicide vests), posing with a portrait of a so called, 'Palestinian martyr,' that blew herself up... as an act of suicide (which is forbidden), and they regard her a martyr...

Edited April 30, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Sumerian]

The claim that covering the face is only recommended or it is not required as per our Fiqh is not accurate at all - even though this can be argued as the popular view.

The fact is, some jurists historically and even presently have decreed that it is wajib for a woman to cover her face atleast in accordance with obligatory precaution.

One famous case is that of Sayyed Al-Khoei.

Edited April 30, 2019 by Sumerian

[Mohammadi_follower]

17 hours ago, Sumerian said:

The claim that covering the face is only recommended or it is not required as per our Fiqh is not accurate at all - even though this can be argued as the popular view.

The fact is, some jurists historically and even presently have decreed that it is wajib for a woman to cover her face atleast in accordance with obligatory precaution.

One famous case is that of Sayyed Al-Khoei.

So what do you think about those saying we must forbid it for "security reasons". 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Lashkar e Zainabiyon

20 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

And here are Iranian women wearing explosive belts (suicide vests), posing with a portrait of a so called, 'Palestinian martyr,' that blew herself up... as an act of suicide (which is forbidden), and they regard her a martyr...



it was for honorin her martyrdom  not her act also it’s not always suicide in Iran-Iraq war some Iranian fighters were doing it to save others but it derivated in wrong way by Isis & wahhabist they take it from fighters in wars to kill innocent people & make a bad image of self sacrifice in battle with killing people in non war zones but Palestinians & Israelis are at war ,anyway it’s last resort not their first option

 

[Simon the Canaanite]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

it was for honorin her martyrdom not her act also it’s not always suicide in Iran-Iraq war some Iranian fighters were doing it to save others but it derivated in wrong way by Isis & wahhabist they take it from fighters in wars to kill innocent people & make a bad image of self sacrifice in battle with killing people in non war zones but Palestinians & Israelis are at war ,anyway it’s last resort not their first option

Definitely not a good role model...

(4:29-30)

“O’ you who have faith! Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly, but only [in lawful] trade by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves. Indeed, God to you is ever merciful.” (29)

 

“And whoever does that in aggression and injustice, We will soon make him enter the fire. And that, for God, is always easy.” (30)

 

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Ashvazdanghe]

Photos: Sri Lankan Buddhists attack Muslim-owned stores

http://en.abna24.com/news//photos-sri-lankan-Buddhists-attack-Muslim-owned-stores_941393.html

May 14, 2019 - 6:43 PM News Code : 941393 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): Buddhist monks have led an attack on a Muslim-owned stores in Sri Lanka, destroyed and fired at stores