‘in my ummah there will be 72 sects in hell and 1 in heaven, and it will be the jaa’ma’ 

[Isaam]

I’ve heard about that Hadith saying ‘in my ummah there will be 72 sects in hell and 1 in heaven, and it will be the jaa’ma’ 

in this case doesn’t jaa’ma mean main group of Muslims? Which we are 2nd biggest.

Can someone help me understand this quote?

Also, if we are the saved sects, what about the other Muslims? I don’t want them to go to hell, and my Sunni friends feel the same about me.

[Guest Ghadeer]

14 hours ago, Isaam said:

I’ve heard about that Hadith saying ‘in my ummah there will be 72 sects in hell and 1 in heaven, and it will be the jaa’ma’ 

in this case doesn’t jaa’ma mean main group of Muslims? Which we are 2nd biggest.

Can someone help me understand this quote?

Also, if we are the saved sects, what about the other Muslims? I don’t want them to go to hell, and my Sunni friends feel the same about me.

The Hadith is Sahih. 

Forget about Sunnis, Salafis, Sufis, and others.

Look at it this way, after the sermon of Ghadeer al Khum, WHAT IF the Ummah is considered only those who believed in the Wilayah, that is only the Shi’a.

WHAT IF the Hadith is talking about the Shia Muslims only, that the real ummah would be divided in 72 sects and only one would go to Jannah. 

The sect among Shia which will find Jannah would be that which equally follows Qur'an and Ahlul Bayt in the way our Prophet S instructed us many times. 

Anybody else, and there are plenty who deviate more towards Qur'an and less towards Ahlul Bayt or more towards Ahlul Bayt and less towards Qur'an, and in varying degrees there in, would be divided into the remaining 71 sects.

Let’s count all those who take culture over Islam, anti Marja, anti WF, Hussaynia nuts, Quranists, malangs, tatbeeris, those who openly abuse Sunni demagogues, those attributing God like characteristics to Imams, those who don’t pay attention to the Holy Prophet Muhammad sawaw and overly focus on Imam Ali, those who ignore Hajj, those who cry for Zainab but abandon Hijab, those who keep salat over Aza of Imam Hussain, anti Mutah, anti Polygyne (pretty much whole of ShiaChat), those who are overtly focused on their own rijal, those who take one Hadith only and deduce their religion from it, those who consider WF to be the end all and be all, those who insist on adding in salat what Imams didn’t do, and numerous more who have gone by and would come by in future.  

[Simon the Canaanite]

The Prophet said: “Indeed, he who died on the love of my Ahlul Bayt, died on the Sunna & Jamāʻah.”

(1. Tafsir Al-Qurtubi, volume 18, page 468. 2. Tafsir Al-Zamakhshari, volume 3, page 467).

Edited April 24, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Simon the Canaanite]

2 hours ago, Isaam said:

Also, if we are the saved sects, what about the other Muslims? I don’t want them to go to hell, and my Sunni friends feel the same about me.

As for your friends, and you not wanting them to go to hellfire... Firstly, you don't decide & judge, God decides and judges.

Secondly, if you were that keen, eager and wishful for them to be in paradise, then invite & preach to them your belief.

(16:125)

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good advice and dispute with them in a manner that is best.”

And use reasoning, morals (manners and ethics) in your inviting. Expose the enemies of God, from their works. Show them the right path, also from their works.

Last but not least, never ever sugarcoat or flatter with them. (e.g., saying: ‘We’re the same. We're both going to paradise!’) which is the worst mistake to be made.

People flatter and sugarcoat others by the means of beauty & being well mannered (e.g., someone characterized as 'ugly,' comes and asks you, whether he/she are beautiful or not. Out of respect, you tell them, that they are beautiful). This is fine, but in terms of religion, you can’t do that.

You sugarcoat another belief, and by that, you make him enter hellfire!

And never forget our famous ruling:

ألزِمُوهُمْ بِمَا ألزَمُوا بِهِ أنْفُسَهُمْ

(6:107)

“Had Allah wished they would not have ascribed partners [to Him]. And We have not appointed you over them as a guardian, nor is it your duty to watch over them.”

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

5 hours ago, Isaam said:

Also, if we are the saved sects, what about the other Muslims? I don’t want them to go to hell, and my Sunni friends feel the same about me.

It’s just  Sunni narration & their belief but if based on their narration will be asaved sect it will be Shias but as Shias we don’t generally believe to it ,we only use thei to prove our point to Sunni Muslims but there is narration from our Imams like as Imam Sajad (عليه السلام) : for acceptance of every good deed in judgement day people must believe to Wilayat of them & who doesn’t believe to it rest of his actions like as Namaz won’t be accepted although any person prays whole of his life beside Kaaba between Rkon & Maqam that the most holy point & fasts whole of his life but without acceptance of their Imamate it won’t be accepted from him in judgment day.

[OrthodoxTruth]

5 hours ago, Isaam said:

Also, if we are the saved sects, what about the other Muslims? I don’t want them to go to hell, and my Sunni friends feel the same about me.

For anyone who rejects the Wilayah of A’immah, the doors of Paradise are automatically closed. It is attested in hundreds of our ahadith.
 

Quote

 

al-Kafi, Volume 1:

H 1166, Ch. 108, h 89
Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn Abu ‘Umayr from Sama‘a from Abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who has said the following:

“About the words of Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Gracious, ‘. . . fulfill your covenant with Me. . . .,’ the Imam said that it is [the covenant to acknowledge Wilayah of Ali, recipient of divine supreme covenant] . . . and I shall fulfill Mine . . .’ [Admit you in paradise].” (2:40)

If you are truly concerned about the well being of your friends, you should teach them about orthodox Islam as ordained by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ).

[Guest Isaam]

Thanks everyone for the replies!!

iA we will all be in jannah 

[realizm]

SF

To start with, the hadith is funny when used by Sunnis.

It equals to saying : My Ummah will be extremely divided, but amongst all the divisions, the largest will be in Jannah, an the minority will go to hell.

- Why would Rasulullah (sawas)  call them all 'his Ummah' if most are in the fire in the first place ?

- Why not say 'all my Ummah except deviant groups (since Sunnis are most numerous) will be in Jannah' 

- Based on the above why not admit that the promised group should be amongst the least numerous - like Shias ?

[Guest Isaam]

33 minutes ago, realizm said:

SF

To start with, the hadith is funny when used by Sunnis.

It equals to saying : My Ummah will be extremely divided, but amongst all the divisions, the largest will be in Jannah, an the minority will go to hell.

- Why would Rasulullah (sawas)  call them all 'his Ummah' if most are in the fire in the first place ?

- Why not say 'all my Ummah except deviant groups (since Sunnis are most numerous) will be in Jannah' 

- Based on the above why not admit that the promised group should be amongst the least numerous - like Shias ?

I’m a little confused of what you meant. Can you re explain?

[Isaam]

50 minutes ago, realizm said:

SF

To start with, the hadith is funny when used by Sunnis.

It equals to saying : My Ummah will be extremely divided, but amongst all the divisions, the largest will be in Jannah, an the minority will go to hell.

- Why would Rasulullah (sawas)  call them all 'his Ummah' if most are in the fire in the first place ?

- Why not say 'all my Ummah except deviant groups (since Sunnis are most numerous) will be in Jannah' 

- Based on the above why not admit that the promised group should be amongst the least numerous - like Shias ?

Can you explain this better?

You said “- Why not say 'all my Ummah except deviant groups (since Sunnis are most numerous) will be in Jannah' “

you said this and then you said 

“- Based on the above why not admit that the promised group should be amongst the least numerous - like Shias ?”

I’m Shi’a myself and I just want to understand better.

[realizm]

6 hours ago, Isaam said:

Can you explain this better?

You said “- Why not say 'all my Ummah except deviant groups (since Sunnis are most numerous) will be in Jannah' “

you said this and then you said 

“- Based on the above why not admit that the promised group should be amongst the least numerous - like Shias ?”

I’m Shi’a myself and I just want to understand better.

It seems rather logical to me that when one says "there are many [...] and only one is right" then it is to explain that the majority is wrong. 

Here the hadith is used to say that in fine, the majority is right. 

The rethoric is not adapted with the message.

[realizm]

Btw, do we have 2 Isaams here ?

[Isaam]

55 minutes ago, realizm said:

Btw, do we have 2 Isaams here ?

No I accidentally logged out.

[Muslim2010]

On 4/24/2019 at 11:28 AM, Isaam said:

I’ve heard about that Hadith saying ‘in my ummah there will be 72 sects in hell and 1 in heaven, and it will be the jaa’ma’

You may like to see analysis for this hadith as mentioned below. It may give you a better understanding of the facts:

 

[Simon the Canaanite]

On 4/24/2019 at 6:46 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

It’s just  Sunni narration & their belief but if based on their narration will be asaved sect it will be Shias but as Shias we don’t generally believe to it ,we only use thei to prove our point to Sunni Muslims but there is narration from our Imams like as Imam Sajad (عليه السلام) : for acceptance of every good deed in judgement day people must believe to Wilayat of them & who doesn’t believe to it rest of his actions like as Namaz won’t be accepted although any person prays whole of his life beside Kaaba between Rkon & Maqam that the most holy point & fasts whole of his life but without acceptance of their Imamate it won’t be accepted from him in judgment day.

It’s not a ‘Sunni narration,’ it’s also in our books. 

[Isaam]

2 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

It’s not a ‘Sunni narration,’ it’s also in our books. 

I do feel like Allah will deal with all believers equally. I do feel like all believers will reach jannah eventually inshallah. 

When it says the other 72 in hellfire, who knows maybe they will be in hellfire for one second. 

And Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best.

[Muslim2010]

Even All the believers are not equal in their ranks based on their eman/ belief and taqwa. The examples of Abuzar RA and Salman Farsi RA can be seen in this regard.

Those who have rejected / usurped the rights of Ahl Albayat (including Wilayah and immamah)   and those who followed them can not be equal to the ranks of believers & followers of Ahl alabayat as..

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)  likes those who perform justice in actions so the believers and followers of Ahl albayt as cannot be equal to those who followed the vain desires of the enemies of the progeny of the Prophet Muhamamd saw.

wasalam

Edited April 27, 2019 by Muslim2010

[BowTie]

So basically the whole universe is going to hell except Shia? 

[Isaam]

18 minutes ago, BowTie said:

So basically the whole universe is going to hell except Shia? 

Not necessarily. There is supposedly a saved sect in Islam.

but, all believers who believed in jannah will reach there, because there is a story of the poor people of jannah, who believed and Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is suppose to let them into jannah after a period of torture in jahanam.

[Muslim2010]

2 hours ago, BowTie said:

So basically the whole universe is going to hell except Shia? 

Those who hate the progeny of the Prophet and wage war against them are hypocrites and Nasbis.. The hypocrites and their followers will be in hell:

Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth (grade) of the Fire; no helper will you find for them [Al-Nisaa’ 4:145]

I have based my interpretation for hypocrites as mentioned in the verses of Qur'an (not for all).

Edited April 27, 2019 by Muslim2010