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Friendship with an atheist

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Salaam

I have an atheist friend n we r so close n we do really like each other. Apart from the fact that I have to be careful about my religion n beliefs  , I want to know if it's haram in Islam that a Muslim would be friend with an atheist .

Thanks

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It's not necessarily problematic, because in the end, what really matters is your standpoint in many aspects of life (and not so much the cause or reasoning which is more linked to your faith and beliefs). You can be a good person for several reasons.

Conflict with atheism tends to be more of a social problem than an individual one. This means, it's common to see an atheist committed to a set of moral values he believes in. However, it is not possible to expect this from a society.

I am assuming your atheist friend is a good person, believes in certain moral human values, and just merely doesn't believe in doctrine per se. Take care anyway, friends do influence us and its important to be a bit critic of what they say.

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22 minutes ago, Bakir said:

It's not necessarily problematic, because in the end, what really matters is your standpoint in many aspects of life (and not so much the cause or reasoning which is more linked to your faith and beliefs). You can be a good person for several reasons.

Conflict with atheism tends to be more of a social problem than an individual one. This means, it's common to see an atheist committed to a set of moral values he believes in. However, it is not possible to expect this from a society.

I am assuming your atheist friend is a good person, believes in certain moral human values, and just merely doesn't believe in doctrine per se. Take care anyway, friends do influence us and its important to be a bit critic of what they say.

Yea sure my friend is a good logical person ( n I know if he was logical enough , he would find God ). N yeah . I'm all careful n actually I prefer not to talk about our beliefs! Personality matters to me n I think he's got a good one ( actually better than other guys that I know )

Thank u , Bakir

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You can't obey them:

O Prophet, fear Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. Qur'an 33:1

Nor you can take him as friend if he effect your imaan:

O you who have believed, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give Allah against yourselves a clear case? 4:144

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2 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

You can't obey them:

O Prophet, fear Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. Qur'an 33:1

Nor you can take him as friend if he effect your imaan:

O you who have believed, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give Allah against yourselves a clear case? 4:144

Thank u so much

What does "obey" exactly mean? Like in everything , I'm not allowed to agree with him n do what he wants?

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If you are a sister, friendship with him isn't permissible in the way the OP seems to imply. If not, Sistani has said you may treat them with dignity, honour, help them in their needs, so long as they do not make you go against your religion or try to misguide you. They are your fellow human beings, you share humanity with them. 

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19 hours ago, strength=Abbas said:

Salaam

I have an atheist friend n we r so close n we do really like each other. Apart from the fact that I have to be careful about my religion n beliefs  , I want to know if it's haram in Islam that a Muslim would be friend with an atheist .

 Thanks

dunno if it's haram or not but based on the spirit of Islam I imagine it would be extremely detestable to consider one who rejects God as a "friend".

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Why don't we find a friendship with an atheist as an opportunity to ignite faith in them?

Its funny how we find atheists as a threat to our faith. When they should find it a threat to their non-belief. 

Unless you have a problem with weak-belief, then you should strengthen your faith in Allah and Islam regardless of a atheist friend or not. Because that means any incident can shake your belief.

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1 hour ago, BowTie said:

Why don't we find a friendship with an atheist as an opportunity to ignite faith in them?

 Its funny how we find atheists as a threat to our faith. When they should find it a threat to their non-belief. 

 Unless you have a problem with weak-belief, then you should strengthen your faith in Allah and Islam regardless of a atheist friend or not. Because that means any incident can shake your belief.

Definition of friend: a person whom one knows and with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically exclusive of sexual or family relations.
 
Now please explain to me why a Muslim would have affection for an individual who opposes every fibre of the Muslim's being?
Can you have affection for truth and falsehood?
Can you have affection for justice and injustice?
Can you have affection for Allah and enemies of Allah?
 
Being an acquaintance, respectable/helpful member of society, or an inviter to truth is one thing.
Being "friends" is another.

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On 4/24/2019 at 3:49 PM, strength=Abbas said:

Salaam

I have an atheist friend n we r so close n we do really like each other. Apart from the fact that I have to be careful about my religion n beliefs  , I want to know if it's haram in Islam that a Muslim would be friend with an atheist .

Thanks

Walaykum as Salam, 

it is makrooh to have non-religious, non-Muslim friends because they can influence weak people in bad ways. The Holy Qur'an is very clear on that matter, stating that they won’t be ever pleased with you, until you won’t accept their belief. Atheism is the worst form of kufr, and therefore you should limit your contacts with that person to the point of showing them the right path in life, if they won’t accept, leave them to be and cut your contacts with such person. Try to surround yourself with religious sisters, it will only benefit you. 

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30 minutes ago, dragonxx said:
Definition of friend: a person whom one knows and with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically exclusive of sexual or family relations.
 
Now please explain to me why a Muslim would have affection for an individual who opposes every fibre of the Muslim's being?
Can you have affection for truth and falsehood?
Can you have affection for justice and injustice?
Can you have affection for Allah and enemies of Allah?
 
Being an acquaintance, respectable/helpful member of society, or an inviter to truth is one thing.
Being "friends" is another.
 

Why not? 

You're friends with someone because of his humanity and personality. More over, if he is an atheist, its his problem in judgement day not your problem. To add, being his friend, may help you realize why he became an atheist in the first place, and you may rectify his beliefs.

If everyone ignored atheists or non-believers. Is that a humane Muslim manner? Or what do you think, lonely atheists will sit in the dark corner at night and become Muslim to "fit in the crowd"?

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34 minutes ago, dragonxx said:
Now please explain to me why a Muslim would have affection for an individual who opposes every fibre of the Muslim's being?
Can you have affection for truth and falsehood?
Can you have affection for justice and injustice?
Can you have affection for Allah and enemies of Allah

 Meaning we can’t befriend anyone who is not a practicing Shia Muslim? 

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4 minutes ago, 2Timeless said:

 Meaning we can’t befriend anyone who is not a practicing Shia Muslim? 

You can’t because, for example Christians and Jews are najis, and possibly even Pak, according to Ayatollah Sistani (may Allah prolong his life) alone. There are even stricter rulings by other maraji’. 

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3 minutes ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

You can’t because, for example Christians and Jews are najis, and possibly even Pak, according to Ayatollah Sistani (may Allah prolong his life) alone. There are even stricter rulings by other maraji’. 

Oh. You're understanding of religion is a bit shaky shaky my friend. 

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21 minutes ago, BowTie said:

Oh. You're understanding of religion is a bit shaky shaky my friend. 

*Your, not you’re. Secondly, my understanding of fiqh related issues is always based upon the teachings of A’immah and the fatwas of maraji’. I don’t interpret religion at all the way I see it, because I’m not qualified to do so. If you disagree with Grand Ayatollah Sistani, because I clearly pointed out that it is his ruling (and other maraji’ ruled similarly on this matter), you’re more than welcome to contact his office and raise your concerns. I realised so far that in fact it is you who keeps passing rulings on things without referring to the books of fiqh at all, and that’s not how it works in Usuli Twelver Islam. 

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