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Salam Alaikum,

In this day and age the companions of the cave are possibly a key lesson to mankind according to many eschatologists. One of those friends is a dog, who faithfully guarded the cave. I am a person who grew up most of his life with dogs and I have many things to say about those beautiful creatures, and I wanted to see if there other dog lovers around who also appreciate the only physical animal alive that would give his/her own life to defend their human masters. I hope that we can share our love, knowledge and experience about those most loyal, useful, and loving creatures from God.

Thanks

PS: try to go beyond the najasa issue and see it from perspective of fellowship of the cave 

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Whilst I have had disagreements with you on another thread, to the point that I opted to hide your posts, which clearly does not work.

I can set this aside as I share the love for our canine friends too. As per my post here:

I do wish many Muslims can look beyond the cultural negative view they have of dogs. As I said, no animal does more for us than dogs.

I hope to have a Japanese Akita one day. Although not sure my cats would be as enthusiastic.

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10 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Whilst I have had disagreements with you on another thread, to the point that I opted to hide your posts, which clearly does not work.

I can set this aside as I share the love for our canine friends too. As per my post here:

I do wish many Muslims can look beyond the cultural negative view they have of dogs. As I said, no animal does more for us than dogs.

I hope to have a Japanese Akita one day. Although not sure my cats would be as enthusiastic.

Akita has a very famous member and legendary story in Japan. Beautiful dogs masha Allah, and need lots of space so get used to exercising a lot and moving if you plan on getting one. I think people made studies proving that dog owners are statistically healthier, which is quite logic. They force you to move and they bring the good side of your animal instinct out. Vladimir Putin in a big dog lover who even surprised Angela Merkel with his late [Edited Out] in a public meeting, and she turned out to have dog phobia like so many Muslims do. 

Nice post you wrote in that other thread! Masha Allah. Time to defend those who defended us and the companions of the cave.

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No matter how nice, cute and loyal the dogs may be, a dog is ritually impure according to Islamic law, and thus it would cause one to live with considerable difficulty. It's also been mentioned that prayers in a place with a dog around is abominable.

In fact, having at home any animal that has fur, for examples a cat, brings a great mount of difficulty due to its hair being everywhere and they can easily invalidate one’s prayers. 

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When analysing the qur'anic verses that mention the dog of the cave, it refers to the dog as one of the companions, and does not differentiate. Allah numbers them as one, so according to this we should avoid insulting those creatures and ask ourselves why this fitna has happened. Why is it that every time Muslims think of dogs they think of dirt? Why do they not remember that they are talking about a full fledged member of the companions of the cave, who did not ruin the ambience or purity of the cave he inhabited. I have several theories why shaytan made this fitna, in case anybody is interested. Anybody else have any theories?

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I absolutely adore dogs! 

Look at this cutie, maybe he’s too fluffy for some but I love Chow Chows. This is a pup but I saw an adult one the other day and got so excited lol. I also love Huskies, Golden retrievers and oh gosh so many!!

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1 hour ago, 313 Seeker said:

When analysing the qur'anic verses that mention the dog of the cave, it refers to the dog as one of the companions, and does not differentiate. Allah numbers them as one, so according to this we should avoid insulting those creatures and ask ourselves why this fitna has happened. Why is it that every time Muslims think of dogs they think of dirt? Why do they not remember that they are talking about a full fledged member of the companions of the cave, who did not ruin the ambience or purity of the cave he inhabited. I have several theories why shaytan made this fitna, in case anybody is interested. Anybody else have any theories?

Brother, you started three different topics where in all three you clearly have some sort of an agenda to undermine the taqlid to mujtahids and their rulings. It doesn’t matter what you or us think, it matters what the marja’ of your choice ruled in regard to the fiqh issues and the rulings on dogs are quite clear across the board. We don’t make up our own jurisprudence as we please. 

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10 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

^ All the dog lovers, now talk!

Still a beautiful creation of the Almighty :itsok:

Plus creatures do tasbih of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), which is a lot more than us humans who are forgetful in their rememberance.

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41 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

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Very old dog visible from the teeth, and looks blind. This breed was bred the wrong way which gives it problems breathing and moving, but there are still people who love Bulldogs, and they do have a certain kind of charm. This picture is like showing a 98 year old human, with all kinds of genetic defects

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Dogs are good for 

Scaring your neighbors pets 

Running with them / keep you active as they need walks frequently 

Keeping pesky kids teenagers off your property 

Keep them outside your living quarters,  their saliva and hair are najis 

I would not keep a dog if I live in the city only if it's a far suburb or rural country 

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3 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Keep them outside your living quarters,  their saliva and hair are najis

Depends which breed, and also depends how the dog us kept. Most people are najis too apparently because it seems according to Qur'an that most people are bad. I think people are on average filthier than any dog. And most of the time the filthiness of a dog can be directly traced back to human activity. When left alone, nature is very clean. 

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8 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Depends which breed, and also depends how the dog us kept. Most people are najis too apparently because it seems according to Qur'an that most people are bad. I think people are on average filthier than any dog. And most of the time the filthiness of a dog can be directly traced back to human activity. When left alone, nature is very clean. 

That's your opinion

But that of vast majority of scholars say they are najis 

I agree most people are filthy too but thsts a different issue 

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44 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

That's your opinion

But that of vast majority of scholars say they are najis 

I agree most people are filthy too but thsts a different issue 

Majority of scholars are wrong if they don’t respect as7ab el kahf. It's ok to wrong as long as its forgiven. Let us stay in line with Qur'an and common sense, while giving space to dog lovers to Express more positive things. It's a big interesting field. If dogs are groomed correctly they wont be najis. Here is a chance to discuss proper grooming. 

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14 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Majority of scholars are wrong if they don’t respect as7ab el kahf. It's ok to wrong as long as its forgiven. Let us stay in line with Qur'an and common sense, while giving space to dog lovers to Express more positive things. It's a big interesting field. If dogs are groomed correctly they wont be najis. Here is a chance to discuss proper grooming. 

I understand your stance, but even their saliva is najis and that is less easy to rectify than grooming them. 

Nothing wrong in owning them, just not indoors.

The role of dogs in families in the West has evolved over recent generations. In say, the 60s and 70s it was less common to have dogs sleeping on owners beds or having bedding in the family home. Traditionally they lived in the garden in a dog house.

Even Spike in old school Tom and Jerry lived outdoors.

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3 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I understand your stance, but even their saliva is najis and that is less easy to rectify than grooming them. 

Nothing wrong in owning them, just not indoors.

The role of dogs in families in the West has evolved over recent generations. In say, the 60s and 70s it was less common to have dogs sleeping on owners beds or having bedding in the family home. Traditionally they lived in the garden in a dog house.

Even Spike in old school Tom and Jerry lived outdoors.

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Any healthily bred dog does not drool, and can be taught easily not to lick you. So drool isn't an issue I believe. Grooming is to avoid hair especially when change of season. Many scholars say that the hair is only an issue when wet as well.

It can be argued that the dog of ashab el kahf is inside the cave by the entrance. I think the way westerners treat animals is more Islamic than Muslims do. 

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8 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

I think the way westerners treat animals is more Islamic than Muslims do. 

I agree with this.

It is unfortunate how cruel Muslims can be to animals, usually out of ignorance and also as they do not prioritise animal rights as in the West, partly due to more existential issues and poverty.

But there is hope, with social media we are seeing more committed individuals and organisations in Muslim countries.

Like this young woman in Baghdad who looks after stray dogs.

 

Edited by Propaganda_of_the_Deed

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As someone who has spent time with an elderly lady and her poodle (a miniature one), they are remarkably intelligent creatures with an incredible depth of emotion. They cry, feel sad, feel scared, feel loved, and can even enjoy embracing and sleeping on top of their owner. 

I am sometimes startled with how human-like they can be. On certain Psychiatric wards, they are even used as therapy. 

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Why is there a fan club for dogs?

Read these hadiths:

إِنَّ جَبْرَئِيلَ ع أَتَانِي فَقَالَ إِنَّا مَعَاشِرَ الْمَلَائِكَةِ لَا نَدْخُلُ بَيْتاً فِيهِ كَلْبٌ‏ وَ لَا تِمْثَالُ جَسَدٍ وَ لَا إِنَاءٌ يُبَالُ فِيهِ.

The Gabriel came to the Prophet and said: We angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog.

يُكْرَهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ فِي دَارِ الرَّجُلِ الْمُسْلِمِ الْكَلْبُ.

It is discouraged for a Muslim man to have dog in his house.

لَا خَيْرَ فِي الْكِلَابِ إِلَّا كَلْبَ‏ صَيْدٍ أَوْ كَلْبَ‏ مَاشِيَةٍ.

There is no benefit in dogs, except in hunting and as shepherds

مَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ يَتَّخِذُ كَلْباً إِلَّا نَقَصَ فِي كُلِّ يَوْمٍ مِنْ عَمَلِ صَاحِبِهِ قِيرَاطٌ.

Whoever keeps a dog loses a little portion of his good deeds everyday

لَا تُمْسِكْ كَلْبَ‏ الصَّيْدِ فِي الدَّارِ إِلَّا أَنْ يَكُونَ بَيْنَكَ وَ بَيْنَهُ بَابٌ.

Do not keep your hunting dog in your house except there is a door between you and him.

The fatwa of Ayatollah Seestani (rahimahullah):

Question: Is it permissible to keep a dog as a pet in my house?

Answer: It is better not to, and its preferable to choose another animal as a pet, as a dog is ritually impure (Najis) according to Islamic law, and thus it would cause one to live with considerable difficulty. It's also been mentioned that prayers in a place with a dog around is abominable (Makrooh).

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58 minutes ago, Guest Haram Police said:

Why is there a fan club for dogs?

 

It is discouraged for a Muslim man to have dog in his house.

No one is encouraging others here to keep dogs inside the house.

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On 4/23/2019 at 8:14 AM, 313 Seeker said:

When analysing the qur'anic verses that mention the dog of the cave, it refers to the dog as one of the companions, and does not differentiate. Allah numbers them as one, so according to this we should avoid insulting those creatures and ask ourselves why this fitna has happened. Why is it that every time Muslims think of dogs they think of dirt? Why do they not remember that they are talking about a full fledged member of the companions of the cave, who did not ruin the ambience or purity of the cave he inhabited. I have several theories why shaytan made this fitna, in case anybody is interested. Anybody else have any theories?

Dogs are not clean, it is scientifically proven. Their saliva carries many pathogens.

Edited by Ibn Al-Shahid

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Animals in general (ourselves included) are carriers of various nasties. At least dogs don't sit around smearing themselves in saliva like cats do. Also, I think that is evidence that growing up around dogs and other pets is good for the immune system. Also, they're adorable.

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