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Cursing the enemies of Ahlul Bayt

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3 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Why are you always misleading others, huh? Insulting the enemies of God, is what Allah did in his Holy Book:

(62:5):

“The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah,

then failed to carry it,

is that of a donkey carrying books.

Evil is the example of the people who

deny Allah’s signs,

and Allah does not guide the wrongdoing lot.”

 

How am I misleading anyone brother? Did Imam Khamenei not declare it Haram? And did Sayed Sistani not say do it privately? Not once have I given my opinion, only referred the the maraji', and you have came and attacked me. I also know people like Shaykh Vahid Khorosani consider it highly mustahhab, but that is not what OP was asking for, was it?

Note: The Imam Khamenei fatwa is widely available online. The Sayed Sistani fatwa I've learned from several scholars over the year, whom I trust, so if you don't want to trust it, be my guest.

The closest Sayed Sistani fatwa I can find online is the following, but doesn't really prove what I'm saying:

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Question:
As-Salaamun ‘alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

A video clip is circulating on social media of a mourning procession on the anniversary of the martyrdom of Imam al-Jawad ((عليه السلام).), and a group of people in the area of al-A‘dhamiyya are seen shouting abuses on ‘Umar and ‘Aisha and others.

Is such an act condemned by the highest religious leadership (marji‘iyyat)? Especially since it relates to abusing the religious symbols of our Sunni brethren and this, in turn, will further enflame the fire of blind civil strife among the Iraqi people.

Was-salaam.

Answer:

In the name of Allah, the Kind, the Merciful

This behavior is condemned and strongly objectionable, and is against what the Imams of Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) has ordered their followers (Shi‘as). Allah is the Guide.

From https://www.al-Islam.org/mutual-respect-peaceful-co-existence-among-Muslim/2-abusing-insulting-leaders-Sunni-madhhab

From Imam Khamenei you can view here:

http://english.Khamenei.ir/news/3905/Ayatollah-Khamenei-s-fatwa-Insulting-the-Mother-of-the-Faithful

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7 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

No, not because of Fitnah Reasons.  Because it is JUST PLAIN WRONG.

Ayatollah Khamenei said: “Disrespecting the pure wives of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) should be avoided. The Prophet’s ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) wives are all respectable; anyone who insults any of them has insulted the Prophet. I resolutely declare this offensive. The commander of the Faithful, Imam Ali ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) treated her eminence Aisha in such a respectful manner. He treated a woman, who had come to fight against him, with the utmost respect because she was the Prophet’s wife; otherwise the Commander of the Faithful (عليه السلام) would not stand on a ceremony with anyone: hence, no such disrespect should ever occur.”

May God bless Ayatollah Khamenei for issuing this fatwa.  The same would apply to Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman... because Imam Ali (عليه السلام) protected their lives in their very capacities as Caliphs.  Cursing or saying ill words against Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha is tantamount to saying ill words to Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and Seyyidina Muhammad Mustafa (S).

I don't think most Shias are representing their faith properly.  If they did they would heed Khamenei's advice and take it very seriously.  

 

3 minutes ago, shadow_of_light said:

He meant insulting.

Thank you for the corrections.

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47 minutes ago, 7ssein said:

How am I misleading anyone brother? Did Imam Khamenei not declare it Haram? And did Sayed Sistani not say do it privately? Not once have I given my opinion, only referred the the maraji', and you have came and attacked me. I also know people like Shaykh Vahid Khorosani consider it highly mustahhab, but that is not what OP was asking for, was it?

Note: The Imam Khamenei fatwa is widely available online. The Sayed Sistani fatwa I've learned from several scholars over the year, whom I trust, so if you don't want to trust it, be my guest.

The closest Sayed Sistani fatwa I can find online is the following, but doesn't really prove what I'm saying:

From https://www.al-Islam.org/mutual-respect-peaceful-co-existence-among-Muslim/2-abusing-insulting-leaders-Sunni-madhhab

From Imam Khamenei you can view here:

http://english.Khamenei.ir/news/3905/Ayatollah-Khamenei-s-fatwa-Insulting-the-Mother-of-the-Faithful

Who said I believe in what Khamenei and Sistani say? And who said I attacked you? You were misleading others.

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Both cursing and insulting (sabb) are examples of bara'ah and are both mustahab. Sayyed Al-Khoei famously said sabb can become wajib in certain circumstances.

Please do not make this religion all rainbow.

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40 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Who said I believe in what Khamenei and Sistani say? And who said I attacked you? You were misleading others.

I was not misleading anyone. The OP asked for what Sayed Sistani and Imam Khamenei say, and I have them it. Nowhere did I say if it was right or wrong, or anything, although I do follow one of them.

Whether you believe what they say or not, doesn't change the fact that they said it.

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2 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Sayyed Al-Khoei famously said sabb can become wajib in certain circumstances.

Would you say cursing is a spiritual act? Like by cursing the enemies you get closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), because some people deny this.

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2 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Would you say cursing is a spiritual act? Like by cursing the enemies you get closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), because some people deny this.

If Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curses His enemies, and if the Prophets (عليهم السلام) did and if the Imams (عليهم السلام) also did - and it was confirmed  by them to be a mustahab act, then how can it not be a spiritual act to get closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

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4 minutes ago, 7ssein said:

Whether you believe what they say or not, doesn't change the fact that they said it.

Sayyed Al-Sistani never forbid cursing or insulting the enemies of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام), it is reported he spoke against those who were publically insulting them. That's all.

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:bismillah:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنْزَلْنَا مِنَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالْهُدَىٰ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا بَيَّنَّاهُ لِلنَّاسِ فِي الْكِتَابِ ۙ أُولَٰئِكَ يَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّاعِنُونَ {159}

[Shakir 2:159] Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too).
[Pickthal 2:159] Lo! Those who hide the proofs and the guidance which We revealed, after We had made it clear to mankind in the Scripture: such are accursed of Allah and accursed of those who have the power to curse.
[Yusufali 2:159] Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:159]

Those who withhold what has been revealed to them of the book, be they Jews (who knew the truth about the Holy Prophet - refer to verse 40, 75 to 79, 89 to 91, 101, 105, 109 and 124 of this surah; and the holy Kabah - Psalms 118: 22 and Matthew 21: 42) or be they the Muslim hypocrites (who know the true interpretation and application of verses - Ahzab: 33; Shura: 23; Nisa: 54 and 59; Ali Imran: 61 and 103;

Tawbah: I 19; Rad: 43, Hud: 17; and Ma-idah: 3, 55, 67 in connection with the event of Ghadir Khum) are cursed by Allah and by the angels and by those who follow His right path. In verses 86 and 87 of al Nisa also the angels and the believers join Allah to curse the wicked. In verse 56 of al Ahzab, Allah and His angels bless the Holy Prophet; and Allah commands the believers to send blessings on him. Unless we join Allah and His angels to curse the enemies of the Holy Prophet, our asking Allah for sending blessings on him will be incomplete. Therefore, the followers of Muhammad and Ali Muhammad bless the Holy Prophet and his Ahl ul Bayt and curse their enemies. Justice demands that we identify the devil as a devil, and curse him even if he is disguised in the garb of a Muslim like Yazid and others. Cursing and expression of dislike and disgust for any evil or evildoer is essential to remain on guard against wickedness, as has been made clear in the above-noted verse and verse 7 of al Fatihah, therefore, tabarra has been prescribed as one of the fundamentals of the religion.

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20 minutes ago, shadow_of_light said:

Insulting is forbidden in Qur'an and narrations. Imam Ali (a) told his followers: I don’t like you to use offensive language. You can, instead, criticize them (the enemy).

You can say that to the 20+ scholars that declared insulting the enemies of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to be halal and in fact mustahab.

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The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: “When you will find people of bid`ah (innovation) and doubt/suspicion after me, do baraa’ (disassociation) from them and increase in your insults (sabihim) to them, and oppose (them) and bring evidences against them so they may not become greedy in bringing fasaad (corruption) to Islam. You must warn people against them and do not learn their bid`ah (innovation). Allah will write for you hasanaat (good deeds) for this, and will raise you darajaat (levels) in the next life.’”

 

Source:

1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 2, ch. 159, pg. 375, hadeeth # 4

Grading:

1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic) 
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 11, pg. 77



 

Other Scholar's who have said this hadeeth is SaHeeH:

 

1.    al-FaaDil al-Kaadhimi (d. 1065), Masaalik al-Afhaam 'ila Ayaat al-Ahkaam, vol. 2, pg. 397

2.    Shaheed al-Thaani (d. 966), Masaalik al-Afhaam ila TanqeeH Sharaa'I` al-Islaam, vol. 14, pg. 434

3.    al-Majlisi I (al-Majlisi's father), RawDah al-Muttaqeen, vol. 9, pg. 327

4.    Muhaqqiq al-Sabzawaaree (d. 1090),Kifaayah al-Ahkaam, vol. 1, pg. 437

5.    `Abd al-`Ala (d. 1414), Mahdhab al-Ahkaam, vol. 16, pg. 134

6.    `Abd Allaah al-Jazaa'iree (d. 1173), al-TuHfah al-Suniyyah, pg. 83

7.    Yoosuf al-Bahraani, al-Hadaa'iq al-NaaDirah, vol. 18, pg. 164

8.    al-Hussayn bin Aal `Asfoor al-Bahraani,Sadaad al-`Ibaad, pg. 446

9.    Muhammad Mujaahid al-Tabataba'I (d. 1242),al-Munaahil, pg. 259

10.  Ahmad al-Naraaqi (d. 1245), Mustanad al-Shee`ah fee Ahkaam al-Sharee`ah, vol. 14, pg. 162

11.  Murtada al-Ansaari (d. 1281), Kitaab al-Makaasib, vol. 1, pg. 353

12.  al-Khoei, MisbaaH al-Fuqaahah, vol. 1, pg. 354

13.  Jawad al-Tabrizi, Irshaad al-Taalib 'ila al-Ta`leeq `ala al-Makaasib, vol. 1, pg. 162

14.  Jawad al-Tabrizi, Asad al-Hadood, pg. 235

15.  Abu Talib al-Tabrizi, al-Ta`leeqah al-Istidilaaliyyah, pg. 430

16.  al-Sayfa al-Mazandaraani, Daleel Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, pg. 174

17. al-RooHaani, Fiqh al-Saadiq, vol. 14, pg. 296
18. al-RooHaani, MisbaaH al-Fuqaahah, vol. 1, pg. 379
19. Muhammad Sa`eed al-Hakeem,MisbaaH al-Minhaaj, pg. 359
20. `Alee al-Namaazee al-Shahroodi,Mustadarak Safeenah al-Bihaar, vol. 1, pg. 303 & vol. 8, pg. 202
21. Haadi al-Najafi, Mawsoo`ah aHaadeeth Ahl al-Bayt, vol. 2, pg. 25
22. al-Turayhi, Majma` al-BaHrayn, vol. 3, pg. 343
23. Muhammad Taqi al-Isfahani, Mikyaal al-Makaarim, vol. 2, pg. 259

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/12/exposing-bidah-reward-for-doing-so.html?m=1

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39 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

People forget that Al-Khomeini, in his Al-Makasib, said that Aisha, Talha and Muawiyah are more spiritually najis than a dog or a pig. 

This is not true brother.

He is talking about another issue and just presents a hypothetical case in which he says "even if they (Aisha and ...) are XYZ". He doesn't say they are XYZ.

Here is the text:

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Pay attention: ".........even if.......".

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