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If a Shi'a runs for office in the U.S.

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On 4/20/2019 at 2:03 PM, Abu Hadi said:

This is a very interesting discuasion. My opinion on this, and this isnt just my opinion but I have spoke to several prominent Shia ulema who are baser in the US. The opinion us that on a State or National level, you would probably have to compromise too many of the teachings of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) for it to be feasible as mentioned by the OP. However on a city or county ( ie a local level) I think it is possible. This constituancy could then be used as a stepping stone for State or National office at some point in the future

Very interesting. I agree with you that many Shi'a ideals would have to be compromised. Politics is a dirty business indeed. 

However, would you say that if someone stays true to the teachings of the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام), would you think that the Candidate would firstly, have a chance at winning the election and secondly, have a shot at being successful if they win the election. Naturally, one would have to start at the State Legislature level and then make a run at D.C.

It begs the question, can a true follower of the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام) survive in U.S. politics if his/her aim is a noble one, which does not involve personal gain but a chivalrous one in which they seek only to bring Muslim representation, then extend that to not only Muslim representation but to show by example how a Muslim isn't someone to be feared or hated but a person who seeks justice and the betterment for their constituency?

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Very interesting thread.

On the weekends, I usually access ShiaChat from my phone on the fly but this weekend had to be the one my phone died on me...:furious:

On a side note as @notme did ask a few posts up if I am considering running for office in the U.S. The answer is Yes. I have been giving this some serious consideration for the last few years. I would be running as a Democrat for the IL State Legislature for my district if I do decide to run. The election would be in Nov 2020 (the Presidential election). The long game would be to get elected to the U.S. House of Reps. in D.C. eventually.

However, things are very much in the exploratory stages right now. Nothing has been decided. However, part of my exploration into this was this post. I wanted to get a feel for how the Shi'a Ummah on here would feel about a Shi'a running for office and what their opinion would be on it. To be true to the teaching of the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام) would be paramount to my decisions. I would have a respected Sr. Alim on speed dial. However, whether this is an action which can be taken with a level of morality true to the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام) is something which as of yet I have not been able to determine. This would be a task which would be answerable to Allah, since it would not only involve the livelihood of my constituents but also to be a Muslim in both the spotlight, as well as the crosshairs of the enemies of not only Islam, but also the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام). Brother @Abu Hadi, as he always does, provided the most clear and concise information as to the feasible practicality of this endeavor.

I will however say that political involvement in the U.S. amongst Muslims needs to grow. We do need more representation at both the State & National levels. As I mentioned above as well, we do have Shi'a running for office in Virginia as well as in California but we're still on the fringe. The only way to change the actions of the Govt. is to become a part of the Govt. Not to seek only a Muslim agenda but an agenda that serves the greater good for all. (I'll get off my soapbox now).

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@Akbar673 I wish you success and strength, whatever you decide. I'm in Virginia, not Illinois, but if you do decide to run, I'll be following your campaign, inshallah. 

I wonder how much it's appropriate for Muslims to support or campaign for non-Muslim candidates who share many but not all of our values. I'm on the fence about volunteering for a candidate in my district who I really think is genuinely well intentioned, but is a long shot. 

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4 minutes ago, notme said:

I wish you success and strength, whatever you decide

Thanks so much !!!

4 minutes ago, notme said:

I'm in Virginia

Please keep an eye on Yasmine Taeb. She's running for State Senate for the Virginia 35th District. Her Primary is this June. She's already been attacked online for being an Irani refugee who came into the U.S. illegally when she was a child. I haven't met her so I can't say much about her. She claims to be a Shi'a.

https://yasmineforvirginia.com/

Also, Qasim Rashid is running for State Senate as well for the Virginia 28th District. He's an Ahmediyya so take what you wish out of that. Him I have met and can speak for his opinions regarding Human Rights issues but nothing more than that.

https://rashidforva.com/

Either way, those two are running for office in Virginia. Not sure if you live in either of those districts.

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34 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

What part of VA if you don't mind me asking?

Coastal. I've formerly lived near Richmond, Lynchburg, Roanoke, and Blacksburg, never NoVA. 

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16 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

It begs the question, can a true follower of the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام) survive in U.S. politics if his/her aim is a noble one, which does not involve personal gain but a chivalrous one in which they seek only to bring Muslim representation, then extend that to not only Muslim representation but to show by example how a Muslim isn't someone to be feared or hated but a person who seeks justice and the betterment for their constituency?

Salam , it's very hard but not impossible even in Iran as a country  that majority of politician are Muslim & Shia but still we see corruption  in majority of them  that sometimes needs that people attack them in social media to fix a part of their corruption anyway America has more clear  about actions of politicians & inshaAllah after election the Shia voters can trace  actions of their representative & fix his action & ask him/her to fix any error that maybe done by her/him during & after his election & going to office

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On 4/22/2019 at 10:56 AM, Akbar673 said:

Thanks so much !!!

Please keep an eye on Yasmine Taeb. She's running for State Senate for the Virginia 35th District. Her Primary is this June. She's already been attacked online for being an Irani refugee who came into the U.S. illegally when she was a child. I haven't met her so I can't say much about her. She claims to be a Shi'a.

https://yasmineforvirginia.com/

Also, Qasim Rashid is running for State Senate as well for the Virginia 28th District. He's an Ahmediyya so take what you wish out of that. Him I have met and can speak for his opinions regarding Human Rights issues but nothing more than that.

https://rashidforva.com/

Either way, those two are running for office in Virginia. Not sure if you live in either of those districts.

Salam in Iran we have a famous quote that " having a single shoe in dessert is a fortune" although Yasmine Taeb profile doesn't show her as a Shia Muslim but anyway being someone with title of a Shia Muslim is better than not being in office & maybe she will have to fix her image as a Shia Muslim beside other Muslim women like as Ilhan Umar & at least wears a light scarf :muslima:  anyway she had some activity against Trump Muslim Ban & Islamophobia but her appearance doesn't represent any Islamic image but she described as an observant Muslim in wikipedia ,at least Qasim Rashid has a light beard :grin: & we need some emoticons with beard too :D

https://en.shafaqna.com/8307/who-is-financing-islamophobia-in-the-united-states/

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A month later, Taeb wrote another Facebook post relating to NIAC: “It was great to join so many friends last night to celebrate the advances of our Iranian-American community & to support NIAC (National Iranian American Council).

“It’s incredible what my friend Trita Parsi has accomplished as founder and president of NIAC. Looking forward to continuing to support NIAC’s great work under Jamal Abdi’s leadership.”

According to Lopez, there has been a major push in the last two years by CAIR, NIAC, and allied groups to run candidates for public office. Lopez said in an interview that female candidates, particularly non-hijab wearing Westernized-looking candidates, are becoming more and more common.

CAIR is a Sunni Muslim organization, aligned with Hamas. Iran is a majority Shia Muslim country that supports the Lebanese-based terror group Hezbollah. In the Middle East, Sunni and Shia terrorist groups used to be regarded as sworn enemies who would never cooperate. That seems to no longer be the case, certainly not in the United States, where Sunni CAIR works happily alongside Shia NIAC.

but all members of NIAC are supporting Iran Sanctions & their founder and president Trita Parsi was an spy in favor of America during JCPOA talks that already supports sanction of Iran by America

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pro-Iran-socialist-yasmine-taeb-runs-for-virginia-state-senate_2784911.html

anyway if she elects for office , she must be always under Radar of her Shia & Sunni supporters in order to doesn't work against Iran &  Muslims

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8 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Taeb profile doesn't show her as a Shia Muslim but anyway being someone with title of a Shia Muslim is better than not being in office & maybe she will have to fix her image as a Shia Muslim beside other Muslim women like as Ilhan Umar & at least wears a light scarf :muslima:

The one thing that strikes me as odd about her was...If she is a Shi'a then why did she run to the U.S. as a refugee? I can understand why Bahai or even Sunni might have fled, but why would a Shi'a seek asylum in the U.S. after the revolution? My wife told me that she was probably from a non-practicing family that was only Shi'a in name and didn't want to live under an Islamic govt. Who knows?

She clearly doesn't dress like a practicing Shi'a, but then that's not my place to say. She might be presenting that image to appeal to her voters, perhaps after she's elected she will dress differently. Only she and Allah knows what her iman is, so I'm not going to comment on that.

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I think it would be great if a Shia ran for office here in the US

The only problem is, for which political party?

(I, too am in Illinois, and live in an area with a lot of Muslims)

The problem we have had with Muslim candidates for office, up until now, is that they tend to be radicals. For instance, Omar supports abolishing immigration enforcement agencies, and wants to simply open the nation's borders--that is an extremist position. She is also very pro-LGBT, which seems to contradict her faith. 

Other Muslim politicians tend to take an "us vs. them" approach, and simply cater to their constituency. 

I'd like to see a moderate, principled candidate, with a strong moral compass. Jews would likely object to any Muslim candidate, but their influence is starting to wane in the US (and certainly in places like Britain). A majority of Americans want major changes in foreign policy, are tired of unwavering support for Israel, and sympathize with the Palestinians, at least to a point. Many Americans also understand the big difference between a Iranian Shia and a Salafist Arab --the idea that Muslims are somehow dangerous or beholden to Saudi Arabian interests really only holds when speaking of the Arabs. Obviously, a lot of Americans are still ignorant on the differences here, but that is changing by the day.

Christianity is dying in the west, and Islam is the future. This isn't simply because westerners are losing faith, are having less children, etc. It is because the Muslim faith is more coherent and rational than the Christian. For almost 2000 years, Christian clerics, kings, and emperors have bickered and argued about the basic tenants of the faith (monophysitism vs. duality of Christ, Nestorianism vs. orthodoxy, schism between eastern and western sects, the authority of clergy, etc.), without any kind of resolution. The Catholic church has fallen into scandal and outright heresy (Mariolatry). Meanwhile, Islam offers an almost unified message and clear guidance, even though differences exist on the sociological or political level between its followers. The "problem" of the immediate successors to the Prophet is unlike the problem of defining the actual nature of God and His message. This is to say that the average person can understand and appreciate Islam, while failing to comprehend things like the Trinity, or the contradictions inherent in the faith. 

I would even venture to say that Jesus' message was for the Jews of Israel (as he stated), and his Apostles symbolized the 12 tribes of Israel. How does a European or westerner wrap his head around this? Contrast that with Islam, which is clearly meant to be universal and intended for everyone everywhere. 

Americans still cling to their crosses to some degree, and church is a social thing, especially in the south, but as I said, Christianity is on the decline. The sense of community, common-purpose, and depth of faith is much higher in the mosques of my neighborhood (Sunni and Shia) than within the churches, where people simply show up out of obligation.

So in closing, I would say that a Shia Muslim has a better chance at high political office than a Sunni, and that this will be even more evident as time goes on 

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