Gold For Men!

[Muzzammil Hussain]

I want to ask, like I know gold is haram for men but I heard men can we only for a reason in an urgent situation of money during any journey or what? Like is it allow to wear little amount like everytime on finger, like is it allowed? Or not? Please briefly explain it.

(ulama only)

[Simon the Canaanite]

I’ve heard recently, (scientifically) that the molecules of gold have an effect & impact on the man in physics and energy - which 'stimulates' him into acting effeminately, and/or 'womanly.'

And from my humble point of view, I’ve had always sighted & 'considered' men who wear a lot of gold (e.g., kings...) as, somewhat effeminate.

Nowadays, you’d probably not see monarchs, kings & princes wearing tons of gold, as you would’ve in the Middle Ages, for example - but if you took a look at some of their portraits, you’d believe in this scientific theory.

For instance, search for men wearing gold on Google, and tell me how you felt looking at them. 

[starlight]

2 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

men who wear a lot of gold (e.g., kings...) as, somewhat effeminate.

 

2 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

search for men wearing gold on Google

Cough cough 

[Shahrukh K]

13 hours ago, Muzzammil Hussain said:

I know gold is haram for men

I want to know where it is written that gold is haram for men ?

[Simon the Canaanite]

8 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

I want to know where it is written that gold is haram for men ?

Hello.

It’s forbidden in:

“Jami` at-Tirmidhi,” volume 4, page 297, tradition 1720:

The Messenger of Allah said: “Silk & gold are forbidden upon the men of my nation - and are permitted on the women.”

“Ilal Al-Shara'I,” page 341-342, chapter 57:

Imam J'afar 'Al-Sadiq said: “A man doesn't wear gold, nor does he pray (while wearing it) - for it’s the 'cloth' of the people of hellfire.”

The Messenger of Allah said to Imam Ali: “I love for you, what I love for myself. And I hate for you, what I hate for myself - So, don't wear a golden ring, for it’s our 'adornment' in the hereafter, and don't wear crimson, for it’s of the 'cloth' of Iblis, and don’t ride a red horse/animal, for it’s of the [animals that Iblis rides], and don’t wear silk, so God doesn’t burn your skin in the day of resurrection.”

[Shahrukh K]

36 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Hello.

It’s forbidden in:

“Jami` at-Tirmidhi,” volume 4, page 297, tradition 1720:

The Messenger of Allah said: “Silk & gold are forbidden upon the men of my nation - and are permitted on the women.”

“Ilal Al-Shara'I,” page 341-342, chapter 57:

Imam J'afar 'Al-Sadiq said: “A man doesn't wear gold, nor does he pray (while wearing it) - for it’s the 'cloth' of the people of hellfire.”

The Messenger of Allah said to Imam Ali: “I love for you, what I love for myself. And I hate for you, what I hate for myself - So, don't wear a golden ring, for it’s our 'adornment' in the hereafter, and don't wear crimson, for it’s of the 'cloth' of Iblis, and don’t ride a red horse/animal, for it’s of the [animals that Iblis rides], and don’t wear silk, so God doesn’t burn your skin in the day of resurrection.”

Where it is written in Qur'an that gold is forbidden for men ?

 

[Simon the Canaanite]

15 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Where it is written in Qur'an that gold is forbidden for men ?

The way of prayer is not mentioned in the Qurʾān - the number of prostrations & rak’aat is also not mentioned. So, if you’re a Qur'ānist, then I don’t know what to tell you, I suppose you do your prayers by meditation (and/or contemplation)?

 

The Holy Qurʾān itself says to follow the teachings and holy traditions, that came with the interpretation, exegesis and meaning of the holy book:

 

Allah certainly favored the faithful, when He raised up among them an apostle, from among themselves to recite to them His signs, and to purify them, and to teach them the book and wisdom, and earlier they had indeed been in manifest error. 

(3:164)

 

and it says:

O' you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

(4:59)

 

[Simon the Canaanite]

31 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Where it is written in Qur'an that gold is forbidden for men ?

We only learned how to pray and prostrate through the traditions, that you seem to deny - not through The Holy Qurʾān.

And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

(59:7)

[Faruk]

1 hour ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

We only learned how to pray and prostrate through the traditions, that you seem to deny - not through The Holy Qurʾān.

And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

(59:7)

The prohibition of wearing gold for men is even a consensus of all sects.

Edited April 14, 2019 by Faruk

[Simon the Canaanite]

52 minutes ago, Faruk said:

The prohibition of wearing gold for men is even a consensus of all sects.

Yes, that’s exactly what I said, when I mentioned the works of other sects, and ours. But, this person seems to be a Qur'ānist - or an 'Omari, as our beloved sheikhs call them - because they followed the principle of Omar, “Sufficient for us is the book of Allah.” (hasbuna kitab'ullah).

[Faruk]

1 hour ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Yes, that’s exactly what I said, when I mentioned the works of other sects, and ours. But, this person seems to be a Qur'ānist - or an 'Omari, as our beloved sheikhs call them - because they followed the principle of Omar, “Sufficient for us is the book of Allah.” (hasbuna kitab'ullah).

The irony is that the decision to follow only the Book of Allah is actually ijtihad instead of following the Book of Allah which states multiple times to obey Allah AND the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) which means to follow the Qur'an AND the explanations of the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). The Book AND the Wisdom.

Edited April 14, 2019 by Faruk

[Simon the Canaanite]

1 minute ago, Faruk said:

The irony is that the decision to follow only the Book of Allah is actually ijtihad instead of following the Book of Allah which states multiple times to obey Allah AND the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

Yep, it’s ironic, funny & sad at the same time. I’ve heard recently, that a ‘scholar’ in London of the aforesaid ‘sect,’ made a ruling: that you could do your prayer by ‘contemplation!’

(e.g., you could do as much prostrations as you want, and/or recite whichever verse...) - quite laughable & hilarious!

 

Even, some of the traditionalist sects, when they get trapped and confuted, they refrain to using the sentence: “Is so-and-so in the Qur'ān?” - I’ve seen multiple non-Qur'ānists using it when trapped in a debate - as to runaway. I’ve also seen people doing the hit and run style in debates, alongside the usual escaping, interrupting, shouting and insulting. Shame!

[Faruk]

4 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Yep, it’s ironic, funny & sad at the same time. I’ve heard recently, that a ‘scholar’ in London of the aforesaid ‘sect,’ made a ruling: that you could do your prayer by ‘contemplation!’

(e.g., you could do as much prostrations as you want, and/or recite whichever verse...) - quite laughable & hilarious!

 

Even, some of the traditionalist sects, when they get trapped and confuted, they refrain to using the sentence: “Is so-and-so in the Qur'ān?” - I’ve seen multiple non-Qur'ānists using it when trapped in a debate - as to runaway. I’ve also seen people doing the hit and run style in debates, alongside the usual escaping, interrupting, shouting and insulting. Shame!

Exactly! But when a Christian tells them something is not in the Qur'an then all of a sudden they emphasize the importance of ahaadith narrations again.

 

You must be talking about Fitna corner, Ego corner or Takfiri corner AKA Speakers corner..

Edited April 14, 2019 by Faruk

[Faruk]

Such a despicable place. Speakers corner or better said Satan corner.

Edited April 14, 2019 by Faruk

[Faruk]

21 hours ago, Muzzammil Hussain said:

I want to ask, like I know gold is haram for men but I heard men can we only for a reason in an urgent situation of money during any journey or what? Like is it allow to wear little amount like everytime on finger, like is it allowed? Or not? Please briefly explain it.

(ulama only)

In sunnism according to the Shafi madhab a gold layer as decoration on a watch for example is allowed as long the amount is so little that it is impossible to take it of by melting it without damaging the watch.

Edited April 14, 2019 by Faruk

[Shahrukh K]

5 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

We only learned how to pray and prostrate through the traditions, that you seem to deny - not through The Holy Qurʾān.

And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

(59:7)

It is not in Qur'an that gold is haram for men. It is only in hadeeth.

[Simon the Canaanite]

And it is not in Qurʾān that you have to pray five times.

1 minute ago, Raheel Yunus said:

It is only in hadeeth.

Also, go ahead and eat with your left hand, because it’s also not in Qurʾān. 

Also, bribery, gossip, music, masturbation, blood, procuring, envy, gambling, cannibalism, necrophilia, cremation and mutilation are also not mentioned in detail...

[Shahrukh K]

9 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Also, go ahead and eat with your left hand, because it’s also not in Qurʾān. 

I am a left hander I eat from left hand.

Eating from left hand is haram ?

[Shahrukh K]

1 hour ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

bribery, gossip, envy, gambling, cannibalism,, cremation are also not mentioned in detail...

Mentioned in Qur'an.

Blood is also mentioned......

2:173 He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine........

Edited April 14, 2019 by Raheel Yunus

[Shahrukh K]

Music is not haram.

[Simon the Canaanite]

3 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

I am a left hander I eat from left hand.

Eating from left hand is haram ?

The jurists I’ve found, say that it’s not haram - it’s makruh (detested) to do so.

3 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Mentioned in Qur'an.

Tell me where it says that music and envying is forbidden and mentioned.

[Simon the Canaanite]

Also, I feel as if I’m wasting my time talking to you - especially after you said that music is not forbidden.

If you keep replying with short, nonsensical, empty of logic comments, then I’ll just ignore you.

[BowTie]

22 hours ago, Muzzammil Hussain said:

I want to ask, like I know gold is haram for men but I heard men can we only for a reason in an urgent situation of money during any journey or what? Like is it allow to wear little amount like everytime on finger, like is it allowed? Or not? Please briefly explain it.

(ulama only)

Frankly I have searched thoroughly for why Gold is haram on men, but we don’t have sources. The only actual source we have is a very weak hadith by Imam Hussein I believe. No other hadith or source whatsoever.

My analysis to this is we took the impermissibility of wearing Gold from Sunnis. They focus their hadiths that during the invasions of Omar. He ordered people to give him the gold because it is impermissible to wear. (Maybe so he can take them for himself Allah knows best).

all these things about cells or to be humble are just a bunch of cr*p that can be refutes by a 10 year old.

of course I am not saying wear gold, I don’t do that because in the end I follow the fatwa of our scholars. 

But also we have a lot of fatwas regarding gold and also silk, that are confusing, because they are not haram in certain cases that make their impermissibility questionable.

Edited April 14, 2019 by BowTie

[Shahrukh K]

17 minutes ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Tell me where it says that music and envying is forbidden and mentioned.

Envying is in fitrah of man you cannot control it. It is not haram neither Music. That s why Qur'an does not say that music is haram

[Shahrukh K]

If you get angry it means that your Nafs is getting stronger than you. The purpose of life is that you should be in total control of your Nafs. If wearing gold or silk make you feel prouder than definitely it is haram, because feeling proud means your Nafs is controlling you.

Ignore me.

 

 

[Simon the Canaanite]

2 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

If you get angry it means that your Nafs is getting stronger than you. The purpose of life is that you should be in total control of your Nafs. If wearing gold or silk make you feel prouder than definitely it is haram, because feeling proud means your Nafs is controlling you.

Ignore me.

Are you a Qur'ānist?

[Simon the Canaanite]

8 hours ago, BowTie said:

Frankly I have searched thoroughly for why Gold is haram on men, but we don’t have sources. The only actual source we have is a very weak hadith by Imam Hussein I believe. No other hadith or source whatsoever.

Actually, it's present in eight sources (I've found so far). And in all of them, there isn't one tradition, by 'Al-Imam 'Al-Hussein.

'Al-Khoei authenticated many of the sources here.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Simon the Canaanite

[Muzzammil Hussain]

OH HELLO GUYSSS???????????

I asked for and appropriate explanation, not for a fight that’s goin on here..!??

can anyone please please explain.. 

my question...

 

[Muzzammil Hussain]

Like is little gold wearing for men halal, for one thought that might he need while in journey??

and how much? Can he wear always on his finger??

[Simon the Canaanite]

24 minutes ago, Muzzammil Hussain said:

Like is little gold wearing for men halal, for one thought that might he need while in journey??

and how much? Can he wear always on his finger??

In Shi'a and Sunni Islam, it's haram.

[BowTie]

6 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

Actually, it's present in eight sources (I've found so far). And in all of them, there isn't one tradition, by 'Al-Imam 'Al-Hussein.

'Al-Khoei authenticated many of the sources here.

I said I believe which I wasnt sure of.

8 sources great, how many of them are Musnad?

Why is holding on to gold and silk permissible but wearing them not permissible? They are all interesting questions

example: you can put gold in your pockets or whatever but not wear it.

you can cover yourself with silk covers but not wear it. BUT you can also wear clothes 90% silk 10% cotton

Edited April 15, 2019 by BowTie

[Muzzammil Hussain]

10 hours ago, Simon the Canaanite said:

In Shi'a and Sunni Islam, it's haram.

So it’s false statement by some people that wearint little amount of gold is permissible in case of emergency?

thanks.

[Northwest]

On 4/14/2019 at 7:54 AM, Simon the Canaanite said:

I’ve heard recently, (scientifically) that the molecules of gold have an effect & impact on the man in physics and energy - which 'stimulates' him into acting effeminately, and/or 'womanly.'

And from my humble point of view, I’ve had always sighted & 'considered' men who wear a lot of gold (e.g., kings...) as, somewhat effeminate.

Nowadays, you’d probably not see monarchs, kings & princes wearing tons of gold, as you would’ve in the Middle Ages, for example - but if you took a look at some of their portraits, you’d believe in this scientific theory.

For instance, search for men wearing gold on Google, and tell me how you felt looking at them. 

This is interesting. Where did you find this scientific research? (Others may feel free to comment.)