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Seriously Mohammed Hijab?!?

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9 hours ago, Berke said:

Don't you see the problem with always talking about unity and brotherhood and then going on to say things like "well we may not consider you real Muslims" and then expect Sunnis to not think of you really negatively. For me personally, that behaviour comes across as really deceptive and I would really question working together with a group of people whose ideology has deceptiveness in it. Don't even ask us Sunnis how we feel about that - ask yourselves, imagine that scenario in your mind and someone talked about unity and brotherhood to your face but behind your back he didn't think think you to be real Muslim. 

The guardian is a respectable newspaper. The buzz and scandal newspapers are ones like The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Mirror etc...

Okay so you make the argument that your fighters came because your minority felt threatened. That's logical. But in doing that, you ended up allying with a man who's regime raped 10,000s of Sunni women & killed nearly 100,000 alone in torture camps and not to mention the barrel bombs and all the other war crimes. Oppressing the majority so mercilessly is not going to win you many fans in the wider Muslim world. How do you expect religious Sunnis who look at this to think we can in any way ally ourselves with Shia? Would Imam Hussain (رضي الله عنه) send Shia militas to go help the shaytaan of Syria? 

Secular arabs and Arab nationalists came to fight alongside you. That doesn't help your case. Those guys hate Islam and practising Muslims. I've seen many Pakistanis who are deep into the secular nationalist hole and they are horrible people with horrible views towards Islam and Muslims. But let's be honest, whatever their number - they pale in comparison to the number of Shias who went to fight for Assad. 

His soldiers were mostly Sunni because Syria as a whole is a majority Sunni nation. His army drew recruits from the Sunni population but it had the policy of the officers being mostly alawites. At the start of the war, many of these soldiers deserted and formed various rebel groups, unfortunately other zalims stayed with Assad. Without Russian and Iranian support, his army would've been long destroyed by the Sunni opposition forces. 

As I mentioned before, secular "Sunnis" supporting Assad works against you because those people are normally irreligious, they do not represent most Sunni Muslims. 

This whole argument of "but Assad has xyz Sunni..." is like when a person says something racist racist and follows it up with "I'm not racist, I have black friends...". 

 

You said that most Sunnis who fight for Assad are "not religious" but how could we know such thing? What is the definition of being "religious"? Also you say they don't represent most Sunni Muslims. Excuse me but this is not like most Sunni Muslims were religious. There tens of Sunni majority Muslim countries and practically none of them apply sharia laws this is not for me being so religious honnestly. 

Again we don't say Bashar is good and didn't commit crime we just said that those in front of him are even worst and would be more dangerous so we chose the least worst. 

Also we don't need to be on the same ideology for being allies on some cases. Shias and Sunnis could have common goals. 

I hope that answer your question. Salam. 

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6 hours ago, Berke said:

Do you think Sunnis are taught to kill and genocide the Prophet's ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) family and their followers? 

Well obviously, it happens since 1400 years. When the Friday sermons focus on Shias for an hour, can you expect different?

6 hours ago, Berke said:

Well realistically genocide or no genocide, I don't think you would number any greater. I don't mean this in a rude way but you aren't a low number because people have killed you, you're a low number because shiaism isn't really a good belief system. 

There’s no such a thing as “Shiainism”. There is orthodox Islam, called “Shia Islam” to differentiate from the followers of those who prayed before slaughtering Prophet’s grandson. 

6 hours ago, Berke said:

Well I doubt Bahrain has been killing you off in massive numbers (10,000s), it's more likely that they implemented either a policy where more Sunni Muslims moved in or caused Shia to leave. 

Bahrain jailed and tortured to death tens of thousands of native Shias. Add to it extrajudicial killings, massive import of foreign Sunnis, expulsion of native Shias, discrimination in workforce, education and healthcare and the number dropped from 100% to 60% in 150 years. It is a real genocide parallel only to what goes on in Palestine since 70 years. 

6 hours ago, Berke said:

Well I don't know the specifics about Egypt since but in Pakistan, it's likely you are actually between 10-20%.

20-25%, and that’s after tens of thousands of Shia deaths at the hands of state and non-state actors since Pakistan was established... originally by a Twelver Shia as a democracy, but later on undergoing radical Sunnification. 

6 hours ago, Berke said:

You've gone into a random tirade about the specific percentages and numbers. My point was this, we are the vast majority, why should we unite with a smaller group who do not think we are 'real Muslims'? It makes no sense. 

I talk about the numbers because you cause them to be as such; from Maghreb to Asia. If Iraq was to cleanse its 30% of Sunnis, you people would of lost it, but when you do it in Bahrain, “Saudi” Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and do on, to us, it’s perfectly accepted.

Who said all of us want to “unite” with you? I clearly said that as for myself and like minded orthodox Muslims, we want nothing from you but to leave us alone, something you refused to do.

6 hours ago, Berke said:

Well I can agree with you on that, we are better left far away from each other. 

Yes but sadly it doesn’t happen because you people have a Shia syndrome from birth. For many of you, your entire lifes are preoccupied with Shia Islam. 

6 hours ago, Berke said:

Well I am not afraid of your belief system, I never said I was. 

There’s nothing to be afraid of, I’m not afraid of Sunnism either. What Incant stand is that Sunnism has a mission of wiping out orthodox Islam by any means necessarily, and this is scary in itself because this is not normal at all. 

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2 hours ago, Berke said:

But anyway whatever funding ISIS or support ISIS received from foreigners, it pales in comparison to the support that was provided to Assad by Iran, Russia & Hezbollah. 

I don't mean this in a bad way but Shias who happily support Iran's involvement in this war have literally no moral ground to stand on.

What you seem to be forgetting is that support for Assad is the least worst option. No one is saying he is a saint.

The alternative to Assad is not going to be some Democracy as much as the "rebels" make it out to be. They too are infiltrated with Islamist extremists.

ISIS not only fought against Assad and "rebels" but Jahbat al Nusra too.

There is also no guarantee, assuming rebels won how they would rule either. Look at Libya to this day.

Point is, although not exactly Just. He is the better option out of the 3. Religious minorities would also suffer under the other 2 outcomes.

Also whether you want to deem it a conspiracy theory, there were leaks that suggested both Saudi and Qatari governments were providing clandestine financial and logistical support, in addition to Arab donors as you mentioned.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-is-Saudi-arabia-funding-isis

Basically, just as Russia amd Iran have vested interests in keeping Assad in, so too do the West, Israel and Saudi in toppling him. This is not exactly ground breaking information. Thus there is more to it than ISIS just popping up in Syria (and Iraq before it out of the ashes of AQ).

You may not want to concede it, but at the very least IS and AQ's ideological geneology can be traced back to the Wahhabi kingdom.

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4 hours ago, Berke said:

Do you think Imam Hussain (رضي الله عنه) would support Khameini's decision to involve Shias in this war? Do you think he would supporter a murderer and rapist? 

That’s why it is a political matter for us and not religious one. The ulama of Najaf forbid Shias from involvement in Syria. Muqtada al-Sadr asked Assad to step down from power. Yet you non-stop make it seem like it’s a Sunni vs Shia conflict, or one where all Shias support Assad and went to Syria to fight on his behalf. We did not and we do not. 

By the way, do you think that the Prophet would support Saudi, Emirati, “Bahraini”, Kuwaiti decision to involve Sunnis in genocide against Shia Muslims all over the Islamic world? Do you think he would support murderers, rapists, liars, cheaters and hypocrites? Saudis use Hajj money on parties that involve alcohol, drugs and prostitutes, is this the “sunnah of salaf”? 

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what I don't understand is that today Muslims no matter what sect you belong to, are the terrorists yet who is dying and who is doing the killings

seems like it's Muslims killing Muslims , We can't be the terrorists and be the victims too. Unless Muslims wake up and smell the coffee as the yanks say

it will remain like the greatest sectarian  .killing show the world has ever seen . where on Earth did ISIS come from and for what purpose , what are the reasons Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria Yemen  and more to come under attack .

 

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A proganda machine in full swing spreading hate and fear poisoning the Muslim world  into its own distraction ,

with so called Muslims playing a part in bringing their own house down , short sighted with lust and hunger for power and greed with the blood of millions on their hands just to please those they are puppets too May Allah have mercy upon their souls .

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Secretary General of al-Nujaba:

Be prepared for soft war/ Don’t let separation of Iraq from Resistance Axis happen

http://en.abna24.com/news//be-prepared-for-soft-war-don’t-let-separation-of-Iraq-from-resistance-axis-happen_942325.html

May 18, 2019 - 5:53 PM News Code : 942325 Source : ABNA24Link: 
Be prepared for soft war/ Don’t let separation of Iraq from Resistance Axis happen
 

Sheikh Akram al-Kaabi, pointing to the media battle launched against the values, warned that the attempts of the enemies are aimed at the passivity of the Iraqi society and opening up a gap between Iraq and the Resistance Axis. 

http://en.abna24.com/news//be-prepared-for-soft-war-don’t-let-separation-of-Iraq-from-resistance-axis-happen_942325.html

According to the report of Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA), the secretary general of al-Nujaba, in the gathering of the members of this Movement, stressed the readiness for battling in the soft war launched against the Resistance Axis by the enemy. 

Regarding the said issue, Hujjat al-Islam Akram al-Kaabi stated, “the giant institutes affiliated to the Zionist Regime, the US and House of Saud are behind the media war launched against the Resistance, they are attempting to target our youth and moral values. Their desired Iraqi nation is a passive society having no position towards what is happening in the region”. 

He added, “it is against our belief, the one who believes in Hazrat Mahdi (عليه السلام), the Expected, under no conditions, comes to terms with an Iraq separated from the world of Islam and the Resistance Axis”. 

Expressing regret over the impact of this line of propaganda upon the decision-makings of some elites and heads of Iraqi movements, the secretary general of al-Nujaba added, “if the targets set for the media attempts of the enemy impact the adoption of positions, it will certainly causes diversions from the straight path”. 

Al-Kaabi also pointed to the broad attacks against al-Nujaba Islamic Resistance, including the charges brought by the media against the Movement as well as its insertion onto the terrorism list, and then reiterated, “al-Nujaba is not hypocrite, it says the same words both behind the close doors and publicly. We loudly announce our belief, our strategy is the preparation of the society for the establishment of the Just Heavenly Government. And Enemies can’t stand our strategy of Expectation as it terrifies them. 

http://en.abna24.com/news//be-prepared-for-soft-war-don’t-let-separation-of-Iraq-from-resistance-axis-happen_942325.html

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Secretary General of al-Nujaba:

Be prepared for soft war/ Don’t let separation of Iraq from Resistance Axis happen

 

May 18, 2019 - 5:53 PM News Code : 942325 Source : ABNA24Link: 
Be prepared for soft war/ Don’t let separation of Iraq from Resistance Axis happen
 

Sheikh Akram al-Kaabi, pointing to the media battle launched against the values, warned that the attempts of the enemies are aimed at the passivity of the Iraqi society and opening up a gap between Iraq and the Resistance Axis. 

http://en.abna24.com/news//be-prepared-for-soft-war-don’t-let-separation-of-Iraq-from-resistance-axis-happen_942325.html

According to the report of Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA), the secretary general of al-Nujaba, in the gathering of the members of this Movement, stressed the readiness for battling in the soft war launched against the Resistance Axis by the enemy. 

Regarding the said issue, Hujjat al-Islam Akram al-Kaabi stated, “the giant institutes affiliated to the Zionist Regime, the US and House of Saud are behind the media war launched against the Resistance, they are attempting to target our youth and moral values. Their desired Iraqi nation is a passive society having no position towards what is happening in the region”. 

He added, “it is against our belief, the one who believes in Hazrat Mahdi (عليه السلام), the Expected, under no conditions, comes to terms with an Iraq separated from the world of Islam and the Resistance Axis”. 

Expressing regret over the impact of this line of propaganda upon the decision-makings of some elites and heads of Iraqi movements, the secretary general of al-Nujaba added, “if the targets set for the media attempts of the enemy impact the adoption of positions, it will certainly causes diversions from the straight path”. 

Al-Kaabi also pointed to the broad attacks against al-Nujaba Islamic Resistance, including the charges brought by the media against the Movement as well as its insertion onto the terrorism list, and then reiterated, “al-Nujaba is not hypocrite, it says the same words both behind the close doors and publicly. We loudly announce our belief, our strategy is the preparation of the society for the establishment of the Just Heavenly Government. And Enemies can’t stand our strategy of Expectation as it terrifies them. 

http://en.abna24.com/news//be-prepared-for-soft-war-don’t-let-separation-of-Iraq-from-resistance-axis-happen_942325.html

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11 hours ago, Berke said:

Do you think Imam Hussain (رضي الله عنه) would support Khameini's decision to involve Shias in this war? Do you think he would supporter a murderer and rapist? 

وَلَا تَلْبِسُوا الْحَقَّ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَتَكْتُمُوا الْحَقَّ وَأَنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٤٢﴾

And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it]. (42)

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/2:42

'In the Name of Allah AZWJ , the Beneficent, the Merciful. Having said that, l ASWS ask your 
Lord AZWJ to grant you all good health. It is for you all to have tenderness, dignity and 
tranquility, and it is for you to be bashful and keep yourselves clear, just as the 
righteous people before you have done. It is for you to be courteous with the people 
of falsehood. You will bear injustices from them, and beware of disputing with them 
in what is between you and them. When you sit with them, and are alone with them 
and argue your differences with them, there is no way out for you but to sit with them 
and be alone with them, and argue with them by the dissimulation which Allah AZWJ has 
Ordered you for, that you should take to it regarding what is between you and them. 


http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/36/1/1

about Hijab & people like him:

To 
Qays al-Masir the Imam ((عليه السلام).) said, "You speak of something very near to the Hadith of the 
Holy Prophet (s.a) but use something very far from the Hadith of the Holy Prophet. You mix 
the truth with falsehood while a small degree of truth is enough to remove falsehood. You and 
Ahwal are experts in jumping here and there." Yunus has said, "I thought the Imam will say 
about Hisham something similar to those he said about the other two." The Imam then said, 
"O Hisham, you sometimes almost fall but you spring up like a bird on take-off. People like 
you should speak but be careful of slipping and intercession will follow, Allah willing." 

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/4/1/4

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/results/truth

Salam it seems you confused by wahabi/ISIS propaganda that call themselves as Sunnis & Sunni defenders or moderate rebels by western media from sources that you mentioned as respectable sources that three newspaper The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Mirror are obviously anti Shia & all article that shows Shias a bloody Tatbir practicer comes from these three newspaper & you confused because you don't know the right/Haq because all anti Shia media & channels are mixing right/Haq with falshood 

that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said

If wrong had been pure and unmixed it would not be hidden from those who are in search of it. And if right had been pure without admixture of wrong those who bear hatred towards it would have been silenced.

What is, however, done is that something is taken from here and something from there and the two are mixed! At this stage Satan overpowers his friends and they alone escape for whom ‘virtue has been apportioned by Allah from before’ (ref. 21:101).

https://www.al-Islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-50-verily-source-misguidance-lies

21 hours ago, Berke said:

ran doesn't support Palestine because it cares about Palestinians, it supports them because it's a great political tool. You say something pro-Palestine and the masses automatically think you're a good guy

because by Allah, no people have been attacked in the hearts of their houses but they suffered disgrace; but you put it off to others and forsook it till destruction befell you and your cities were occupied. The horsemen of Banu Ghamid1 have reached al-Anbar and killed Hassan ibn Hassan al-[edited out]. They have removed your horsemen from the garrison.

https://www.al-Islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-27-indeed-surely-jihad-one-doors-paradise

you can replace name of Hassan ibn Hassan al-[edited out]. with Mr..Assad or Abdul-Malik Badreddin al-Houthi  or anyone that you think is like them , they are not innocent but already are in side of truth & right if one day they leaves right side we will behave them like as ISIS & so called rebels by you ,the problem is that persons like you consider people like as Hijab & other guys like him as Sunni because of their propaganda 

in matter of Syria & Palestine & inshaAllah Yemen & Bahrain we follow what ImamAli (عليه السلام) taught us  & we this time don't repeat mistake of people of his time & Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) era that they left Imams without supporter because of their misunderstanding & lack of education 

Hadith n. 262

262- It is said that al-Harith ibn Hawt came to Amir al-mu'minin, and said: Do you believe I can ever imagine that the people of Jamal were in the wrong? Amir al-mu'minin, peace be upon him, said: O al-Harith! You have seen below yourself but not above yourself, and so you have been confused. Certainly, you have not known right, so that you can recognize the righteous. And you have not known wrong, so that you can recognize the people of wrong! Then al-Harith said: In that case, I shall withdraw along with Sa'd ibn Malik and 'Abdullah: ibn 'Umar; whereupon Amir al-mu'minin, peace be upon him, said: Verily, Sa'd and 'Umar have neither sided with Right nor forsaken Wrong. 66

262. وقيل: إنّ الحارث بن حَوْطٍ أتاه عليه السلام فقال: أتُراني أظنّ أصحابَ الجمل كانوا على ضلالة؟ فقال عليه السلام : يَا حَارثِ، إِنَّكَ نَظَرْتَ تَحْتَكَ وَلَمْ تَنْظُرْ فَوْقَكَ فَحِرْتَ إِنَّكَ لَمْ تَعْرِفِ الْحَقَّ فَتَعْرِفَ مَنْ أَتاهُ، وَلَمْ تَعْرِفِ الْبَاطِلَ فَتَعْرِفَ مَنْ أَتَاهُ. فقال الحارث: فإنّي أَعتزل مع سعيد بن مالك وعبد الله بن عمر. فقال عليه السلام : إِنَّ سَعِيداً وَعَبْدَ اللهِ بْنَ عُمَرَ لَمْ يَنْصُرَا الْحَقَّ، وَلَمْ يَخْذُلاَ الْبَاطِلَ.

https://www.al-Islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-2-letters-and-sayings/selections-sayings-and-preaching-amir-al-muminin-Ali#hadith-n-262

Ansarullah leader:

Saudi-led coalition has worst criminal record in world

http://en.abna24.com/news//Saudi-led-coalition-has-worst-criminal-record-in-world_942312.html

May 18, 2019 - 4:17 PM News Code : 942312 Source : TasnimLink: 
Saudi-led coalition has worst criminal record in world
 

Leader of Yemen’s Houthi Ansarullah movement Abdul-Malik Badreddin al-Houthi condemned the Saudi-led coalition for recent air strikes on civilians in the Yemeni capital of Sana’a, saying the worst criminal record in the world belongs to the US-backed alliance. 

Three children killed in roadside blast in western Afghanistan

http://en.abna24.com/news//three-children-killed-in-roadside-blast-in-western-afghanistan_942316.html

May 18, 2019 - 4:39 PM News Code : 942316 Source : Al JazeeraLink: 
Three children killed in roadside blast in western Afghanistan
 

Three children were killed when an explosive device attached to a motorbike went off in a market in Afghanistan's western province, an official said. 

One civilian killed, two injured in terrorist attacks on villages in Syria's Lattakia (+Photos)

http://en.abna24.com/news//one-civilian-killed-two-injured-in-terrorist-attacks-on-villages-in-syrias-lattakia-photos_942321.html

May 18, 2019 - 5:33 PM News Code : 942321 Source : SANALink: 
One civilian killed, two injured in terrorist attacks on villages in Syria's Lattakia (+Photos)
 

A civilian was killed Saturday and two other were injured in a terrorist attack on Sharasher and Hweiz villages in Lattakia countryside. 

Amnesty warns of ‘imminent execution’ of two Bahraini Shiites

http://en.abna24.com/news//amnesty-warns-of-‘imminent-execution’-of-two-bahraini-shiites_940331.html

May 9, 2019 - 4:57 PM News Code : 940331 Source : LuaLua TVLink: 
Amnesty warns of ‘imminent execution’ of two Bahraini Shiites
 

Amnesty International pointed to “very troubling signs of imminent execution” of two Bahraini death row inmates, Ahmed Al-Mullali and Ali Hakim Al-Arab, who had their sentences upheld by Manama’s top court this week. 

 

 

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On 4/18/2019 at 7:56 AM, Guest ASunniGuy said:

I watched it all and I don't think it's nonsense. In fact it made my opinions of shiaism far worse.  

Traditions are not free from two meanings; either truth that is to be followed or falsehood that is to be avoided.

Shias/Sunnis have narration:

‘I leave to you the two weighty things; the Book of Allah and my household. You shall not go astray as long as you keep to them. They shall not separate until they shall come to me at the pond (in Paradise).’

 

the evidence for this tradition is found in the Qur'an:

[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow

[Shakir 5:56] And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.

maybe brother would like to present a similar proof  ( a tradition whose truthfulness is witnessed by the Qur'an) as an evidence for what you're upon is the correct path.

page 67-68/201, The Life of Imam Ali bin Muhammad Al-Hadi

Know, may Allah have mercy on you, that we looked up in the abundant traditions and news and we found, for all Muslims who understand from Allah, them (traditions) not free from two meanings; either truth that is to be followed or falsehood that is to be avoided. The nation has agreed unanimously with no disagreement between them that the Qur'an is the truth that has no doubt in it for Muslims of all sects. Their agreement is the proof of the Book and that they are right and guided due to the saying of the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him and on his progeny), “My nation does not agree on deviation.” He told that what the entire nation agreed on is truth when no group disagrees with another. The Qur'an is the truth that there is no difference between them (Muslims) in its revelation and truthfulness. So when the Qur'an witnesses the truthfulness of some news but a group of the nation denies it, they should acknowledge it as a necessity for basically the nation has agreed unanimously on the truthfulness of the Qur'an, and if they deny, this require them to be out of the (Muslim) nation...’

The first news that is proved, witnessed, and confirmed by the Book is the saying of the messenger of Allah ((عليه السلام).), ‘I leave to you the two weighty things; the Book of Allah and my household. You shall not go astray as long as you keep to them. They shall not separate until they shall come to me at the pond (in Paradise).’ We found the evidences of this tradition in the Book of Allah where Allah said, (Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor‐rate while they bow. And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant).[1] All Muslim sects narrated traditions that Ameerul Mo’minin ((عليه السلام).) had given his ring as charity while he was bowing in prayer and Allah praised him for that and revealed this verse. We found the messenger of Allah ((عليه السلام).) saying, ‘Whoever I was his guardian, Ali is to be his guardian’ and (addressing Imam Ali), ‘You are to me as was Aaron to Moses but there will be no Prophet after me’ and, ‘Ali repays my debts, carries out my promises, and he is my caliph over you after me’...

 

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