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Seriously Mohammed Hijab?!?

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4 hours ago, Mohammed Hijab shared/promoted a new documentary via his youtube channel under the "community"1 section. The 2 hour documentary is by "The Sunni Defense".  It is a layman channel that makes bogus claims and misrepresents Shi'ism.

Hijab said: "An excellent documentary about some abuses by religious clergy"

This is not the first time Hijab has promoted/supported/taken part in layman anti-Shia videos and websites.

Also, if you watch any of his videos on shi'ites, you will see everything but intellectual honesty. It is innapropriate for him to interpret Hadith, but he does it anyway. Sometimes him and his friends are so dishonest that they cut off hadith to prove a point. 

I remember he had one long [EDIT] video with an ex-Shia, which I wasted my time watching, where the ex-Shia provided no good reason for becoming a Sunni, despite this being the topic of discussion. His only claims for Shi'ism being bad was "religiosity is uncommon amongst Shias, especially the youth", "at fajr the mosques in Iran were closed despite playing adhan", "all the mosque had names of Imams", "wallahi, once you read Qur'an and understand Tawhid, you will see that Sunni'ism is the right path",

All anecdotal or unfounded statements.

The only fiqhi thing he mentioned was: "yes, the Prophet would pray on clay, but what they don't tell you is he would pray on his clothes too".

Which, as Shias we agree with... he didn't even know the hierarchy of what you can make sujood on in Shia fiqh! Wow. And he kept talking about how he is so accredited and worked in a Shia youth program at the local mosque for many years.

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Anyways, I got sidetracked.

We need to come together and make a response ASAP. We need to figure out a way to contact Islamic Pulse to debunk the claims being made.

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Thanks for reading.

Some The commenters on his post are so misguided, it's kinda hilarious yet angering.

JazakAllah Khair.

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You know what? Who cares about them! I don't think they even deserve anyone's attention. They're nothing but google sheikhs who are arrogant. 

There's this Urdu saying which may sound a bit harsh but needs to be out there "in logo kay moo kay aagay koi ghass bi nai dalay ga"

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Salaam brothers and sisters

truly speaking anyone who has the slightest knowledge of geopolitics know this is absolutely garbage. But alas idiots will eat this up. 

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IsisMajos contributor Shamerani has also made another juma lecture saying the regurgitated story about Abu Bakr in the cave & God is with us.

Honestly if they consider tashayyu a minor insignificant sect then why devote your whole lives trying to hate it and give the Daeshi viewers in the comments more reasons to kill the Shias.

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I got him a lot in my youtube recommendations for some reason last year and couldn't for the life of me work out why I'd be getting him of all people in my suggestions. He's just an attention-seeking Sunni without much anything worth hearing as far as I'm concerned. His content and debates (like many of his debate opponents too) are just shallow, clickbait, controversy-feeding nonsense. People like him and the other loud-mouths he debates aren't trying to make the world a better place (heck, they're very sub-par theologians or philosophers), they're just taking up space on the youtube servers looking for more instant likes and more controversy - Y'know, inciting his fans to then go out and take on his own prejudices.

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Right now there is a quarell between him and Shamsi.

Surprisingly in one of the latest videos of COE he is accused by Shamsi of being non-sectarian or at least too soft towards Shia and non-Salafi Sunni's.

People can change I believe.

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4 hours ago, starlight said:

Leave the link to this thread in the comments if you want to respond. That should be sufficient.

That's a bad idea... unless we make a new thread with an actual response to the video.

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So what exactly are your criticisms with the points made in this video? 

Okay you find him ignorant, full of hate, you gave some sayings in Urdu and Arabic aimed at him etc....

But can you talk about the points made in the video and why you disagree instead. 

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On 4/17/2019 at 1:06 PM, Guest ASunniGuy said:

So what exactly are your criticisms with the points made in this video? 

Okay you find him ignorant, full of hate, you gave some sayings in Urdu and Arabic aimed at him etc....

But can you talk about the points made in the video and why you disagree instead. 

It’s a two hour vid no one is willing to watch two hours full of nonsense. And most of the people on this forum didn’t attend an Islamic study (including me) so it’s better for us to let the knowledgeable respond.

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On 4/17/2019 at 3:08 PM, Lebanese313 said:

It’s a two hour vid no one is willing to watch two hours full of nonsense. And most of the people on this forum didn’t attend an Islamic study (including me) so it’s better for us to let the knowledgeable respond.

I watched it all and I don't think it's nonsense. In fact it made my opinions of shiaism far worse. 

If you guys can spend time here dissing Mohammed Hijab for posting it or saying we Sunnis never left the age of jahilliyya but none of you can actually argue back against the points the video makes then there is a big problem. Surely you see how this looks like to an outsider? And I wouldn't be surprised if some you Shias here are thinking the exact same thing at the back of your mind. 

I'm not here to attack you guys, so don't get me wrong. 

I think it seems wise to wait for someone with knowledge but that hasn't really been done seeing as you guys have already been posting above. 

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6 hours ago, Guest ASunniGuy said:

So what exactly are your criticisms with the points made in this video? 

Instead of expecting us to watch that nonsense video, why don't you prepare a word document and write out all the points which made you "wow" and "clap". It's impractical to expect us to watch a video which is so long. 

Once you prepare a word document with all the points,  you can share it with a knowledgeable person who can provide you with all the answers. Simple.

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14 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

I think the whole hyde park crew are full of nonsense to be honest, their arguments are the same. "Show me where in Qur'an does it say imamah blah blah blaah". I'm actually done with those guys, don't know who they think they are? Google sheikhs?

Choosing not to argue and give attention to those attention seeking people, doesn't mean we have no argument. I love your logic man.

Love how you had to clarify. It's like you feel you are here to attack.

You can wait as long as you want. Just remember silence is the best reply to an ignorant fool.

I don't watch hyde park debates.

But you are giving them attention. You've made this thread and many of you have commented. A moderator even suggested to share this thread on Ali Dawah's youtube page as a reply. 

I don't think there's anything wrong with that logic. If you made a thorough well prepared argument against something and then someone just called you an ignorant fool in reply, you would likely think that the person has no argument either. 

Well it can seem that way, I've told you that I don't think the video is nonsense and that I have a way worse view of shiaism due to it. It's likely that some people may read that and may think I'm attacking. 

The problem is that you guys haven't been silent towards them though. Calling people ignorant fools, calling them people of jahiliyya etc... That's not silent.

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7 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Instead of expecting us to watch that nonsense video, why don't you prepare a word document and write out all the points which made you "wow" and "clap". It's impractical to expect us to watch a video which is so long. 

Once you prepare a word document with all the points,  you can share it with a knowledgeable person who can provide you with all the answers. Simple.

How is it impractical? I imagine many of you watch movies and TV and all sorts. Even taking 30 minutes out of your day for this video would let you watch it completely in 4 days.

And if you guys haven't watched it yet then should you really be calling people ignorant fools for something you haven't actually seen?

This is your religion someone is attacking in a popular video. Shouldn't you guys be the ones preparing a word document with all the points and then looking to refute them?

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On 4/17/2019 at 7:27 PM, starlight said:

Lol. If you think you can evoke a response from people here with your post, you are mistaken. Really, no one here has that much time for a video made by someone who not only has zero formal religious education but is very deficient in Akhlaq. And when we layman Shia wouldn't then why would our scholars? We have better things to do with our time.

Then if noone can be asked to watch the video or refute it and you say your knowledgeable people probably won't do it either then what's the point in this thread? You guys are literally posting about something you refuse to watch, you won't refute and you say your knowledgeable people won't do anything either. How is this any better of a use of your time? 

You told someone to share this thread on youtube as a reply. What would that have that accomplished if they came here and saw that noone is even willing to watch it properly?

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2 minutes ago, Guest ASunniGuy said:

What would that have that accomplished if they came here and saw that noone is even willing to watch it properly?

That no one cares enough.  He isn't worth more than the few seconds that it takes to write a post. 

Have a nice day.

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On 4/17/2019 at 8:06 PM, starlight said:

That no one cares enough.  He isn't worth more than the few seconds that it takes to write a post. 

Have a nice day.

If no one cared then there wouldn't be a thread in the first place.

Posts add up, as does reading posts and viewing the thread again and again so I reckon you've spent more than a few seconds on this thread. 

Have a nice day too. 

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I watched a little more the video and I have two other points to say.

1) about the scholars saying that people who don’t follow the Imams (عليه السلام) are not real Muslims. Well YEAH THIS IS TRUE. If you don’t follow them according to Shia Muslim theology you don’t follow Allah and Prophet orders so you reject some parts of the religion so you are de facto not a real Muslim. However some "Sunni" Muslims are very ignorant about that so we can’t blame them. By the way we have a lot of similarities with "Sunni" Muslims so we could always collaborate even if their faith is not valid in many points and I think even ayatollah Khamenei don’t think differently of what I said.

2) about the "proofs" of tentative of changing demographics of Syria for changing Syria to a Sunni country to a Shia country. First it is good to remember that the sources used for that are some anti Iran stuffs (like guardian) or excuse me for the term very stupid medias (again like I said previously how could we seriously take breibart as a reliable source ? It is even worst when we remember that the persons who did these stupid propaganda video present themselves as good Muslims) so here there is already many suspicions to have toward such claimings. Secondly it is good to remember that alawites are not Shias according to most Shias so again it is nothing less that stupid to portray what is happening in Syria as a "Shia Sunni conflicts" when alawites are not even considered as Shias and most of syrian soldiers are Sunnis ! Thirdly "real Shias" in Syria are something like 0,5 or let say 1% of the population ! Seriously how do you expect that 0,5 % percent of a population become the majority of the population of a country ?? Even if we take millions of Shias that would never happened like that. Fourthly it is more anecdotical than anything alse but I lived a little to Lebanon close to Syria where I met some syrians and I even met during a conference a syrian which was part of anti-government group and had an important position on his group. Believe me or not but I asked him already at this time if that was true that such "demographic changes" really happen in Syria. Well again believe me or not but even if he was really anti-assad and anti-Iran he said that that was stupid and this is even the opposite which is happening (alawite regions becoming in majority Sunnis even if again we don’t really consider alawites as Shia Muslims).

So this is for such reasons I really don’t take seriously at all such propaganda videos and I don’t really want to lose my time with such nonsense.

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On 4/13/2019 at 2:12 AM, OrthodoxTruth said:

It’s nothing new, those people never left the time of Jahiliyya. 

 

10 hours ago, Guest ASunniGuy said:

or saying we Sunnis never left the age of jahilliyya

He actually said those people and as far as I know no said something about the Sunnis. Unless all Sunnis are Salafis then no one said something about them. 

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10 hours ago, Guest ASunniGuy said:

or saying we Sunnis never left the age of jahilliyya

Even if we did. A lot of Sunnis, most if then are the ignorant ones that never talked to a Shia, do kufr against us. And seeing that your opinions about Shi’ism got far worse, I think you might be as well amongst the Salafi’s that spend their time together to do kufr on those bad Shias that are so bad that we need to do kufr on them because they’re bad.

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