How LGBT Sex-activists Push their Agenda

[Bakir]

6 hours ago, notme said:

I have always assumed that the majority of trans people are homosexual, but I know at least one who is not, and I don't know that many people, so it's not improbable that my assumption is wrong. 

They can be straight, bi, or gay. I've noticed that homosexuality (or bisexuality) is rather common in trans people. In my case I know a lot and have discussed these issues privately with them, and most of them identify as bisexual, regardless of their gender.

It somehow says to me that sexuality is rather fluid.

However, gender identity doesn't seem fluid at all. It is rather very uncommon to see a homosexual willing to change his sex. In the other hand, same goes for the absence of sex/surgery itself. A gay without sex doesn't suffer in any way near a trans with dysphoria. Sexuality seems like a fluid and not so influential part of our lives compared to gender identity. Thus, encouraging sex changes for gay people seem so far from the reality of the situation.

Edited April 11, 2019 by Bakir

[notme]

20 minutes ago, Bakir said:

Thus, encouraging sex changes for gay people seem so far from the reality of the situation.

Agreed. When forced, it would be torture and mutilation. I mean, even without a gender change, I'd consider it as invasive as rape to have my body surgically altered without my consent.

[313_Waiter]

9 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I have sometimes a lot of difficulties to consider this person a Shia or even just a Muslim. 

How come? I have always enjoyed his incredible journalism (at least when compared to western journalists).

[Mohammadi_follower]

3 hours ago, Ejaz said:

How come? I have always enjoyed his incredible journalism (at least when compared to western journalists).

He considered Houthis and hezbollah as terrorists.... 

[gayboyanon]

1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

He considered Houthis and hezbollah as terrorists.... 

That's just political opinion though. That has nothing to do with being Muslim or not.

[313_Waiter]

8 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

He considered Houthis and hezbollah as terrorists.... 

I thought he basically just grills everyone... Saudi barbaria, India, Pakistan,

He also works for Qatar sponsored Al Jazeera so he may have to be careful about what he says.

[Mohammadi_follower]

11 hours ago, gayboyanon said:

That's just political opinion though. That has nothing to do with being Muslim or not.

Well when you defend "gay rights" and are against mujahideen who defend Muslims I don't see what is Muslim about this person. 

[notme]

1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Well when you defend "gay rights" and are against mujahideen who defend Muslims I don't see what is Muslim about this person. 

What is "gay rights"? 

Because I'll defend the rights of gay people to live their lives without harassment and have the same employment, education, and health care opportunities as straight people. I hope that doesn't make me non-Muslim. 

[Mohammadi_follower]

8 hours ago, notme said:

What is "gay rights"? 

Because I'll defend the rights of gay people to live their lives without harassment and have the same employment, education, and health care opportunities as straight people. I hope that doesn't make me non-Muslim. 

People are not even supposed to be gay at the first place or at least not openly. 

[313_Waiter]

5 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

People are not even supposed to be gay at the first place or at least not openly. 

Isn’t it rather that they are not supposed to engage in gratification of their desires / act on their desires?

[notme]

6 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

People are not even supposed to be gay at the first place or at least not openly. 

There's lots of things people aren't supposed to do. Their behavior reflects on them; yours reflects on you. All humans deserve to be treated like humans, regardless of their religious status, piety or lack thereof. 

If a Muslim prays, fasts, and mistreats another human being intentionally, his evil has cancelled out his good. 

[Mohammadi_follower]

59 minutes ago, Ejaz said:

Isn’t it rather that they are not supposed to engage in gratification of their desires / act on their desires?

Just a simple question. Do you consider as acceptable someone who presents himself as a "homosexual" even if doesnt do the sexual acts? 

[notme]

19 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Just a simple question. Do you consider as acceptable someone who presents himself as a "homosexual" even if doesnt do the sexual acts? 

Is it a sin to fornicate, or is it a sin to be attracted to the opposite gender? 

I'm not sure how we are defining the term "homosexual". Is it based on attraction or action? 

[Klanky]

I think he's saying homosexuals need to remain strictly closeted

[Mohammadi_follower]

29 minutes ago, notme said:

Is it a sin to fornicate, or is it a sin to be attracted to the opposite gender? 

I'm not sure how we are defining the term "homosexual". Is it based on attraction or action? 

Yes these are sins so if people have such feelings they must fight against that or at least not talking about that openly and promoting it .

[notme]

30 minutes ago, Klanky said:

I think he's saying homosexuals need to remain strictly closeted

To be honest, I don't think anyone should be publicly talking about or showing off their intimate desires. 

I also don't think anyone should be abused for who they are or what choices they've made. If it's a sin or a crime, God or the courts can punish them, but they're still human and ought to be treated as such. 

[notme]

31 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Yes these are sins so if people have such feelings they must fight against that or at least not talking about that openly and promoting it .

I agree nobody should be publicly talking about their sins, but why is it ok to abuse homosexuals but not ok to abuse heterosexual people who talk about their desires? Heck, we usually ignore/accept straight fornicators. Some Muslims are even envious of them. 

[Pius_Raj]

1 hour ago, notme said:

There's lots of things people aren't supposed to do. Their behavior reflects on them; yours reflects on you. All humans deserve to be treated like humans, regardless of their religious status, piety or lack thereof. 

 

It reminds me of Imam Ali AS quote : "A person is either your brother in faith, or your equal in humanity" I agree with you @notme

[Mohammadi_follower]

3 minutes ago, notme said:

I agree nobody should be publicly talking about their sins, but why is it ok to abuse homosexuals but not ok to abuse heterosexual people who talk about their desires? Heck, we usually ignore/accept straight fornicators. Some Muslims are even envious of them. 

They are not really better actually.

[Klanky]

39 minutes ago, notme said:

To be honest, I don't think anyone should be publicly talking about or showing off their intimate desires. 

He's talking about people who "present" as homosexual. Whatever that means I'm not sure but it's quite a common thing for straight people to complain about gays pushing homosexuality in their face while forgetting altogether that sexuality is not really a private thing anyway - couple has a wedding ceremony, has a baby, live openly together, share harmless comments about opposite gender, ask strangers if they're married etc. The sexuality behind all this is so open that nobody even thinks about it. Virtually nobody has sex in public, the problem is in all the lies, repression, and pretence that goes into spending your life pretending you're not attracted to the same gender. It's better and healthier to just "present" it and be done with it.

[Ashvazdanghe]

26 minutes ago, Klanky said:

Virtually nobody has sex in public, the problem is in all the lies, repression, and pretence that goes into spending your life pretending you're not attracted to the same gender. It's better and healthier to just "present" it and be done with it.

What you talked although is not without flaw & backbiting that is recommended that don’t say in front of children bu  it is decreasing everyday & really is in danger of forgetting but from where I quoted your word it’s increasing by help of any group specially MSM  & some celebrities like as artists & athletes & some physicians that large groups of people read their books or watch & listen to them in media ,it’s like an illness that you must find a cure before it destroys family bases 

[313_Waiter]

3 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Do you consider as acceptable someone who presents himself as a "homosexual" even if doesnt do the sexual acts? 

Not sure what you mean by present himself? Do you mean “coming out” to a friend or family? 

Talking lustfully about guys (or girls for that matter) shouldn’t be done. 

Also don’t know what is meant by talking about desires. I mean saying something like “inshallah I want a beautiful muhajjiba” shouldn’t be a problem for a Muslim.

Edited April 12, 2019 by Ejaz

[Klanky]

24 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

What you talked although is not without flaw & backbiting that is recommended that don’t say in front of children bu  it is decreasing everyday & really is in danger of forgetting but from where I quoted your word it’s increasing by help of any group specially MSM  & some celebrities like as artists & athletes & some physicians that large groups of people read their books or watch & listen to them in media ,it’s like an illness that you must find a cure before it destroys family bases 

Are celebrity homosexuals destroying families? That's news to me

[Ashvazdanghe]

3 hours ago, Klanky said:

Are celebrity homosexuals destroying families? That's news to me

All of them & celebrities are great pawns & they have more rule than a simple soldier in this chess .