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Did Imam Reza ((عليه السلام)) give me a gift? What do I do with it?

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Salams Everyone, first time poster here!

This has been on my mind  for almost 10 years now and I have joined Shiachat with the intention of getting some advice.

To summarise, about 10 years ago, I was diagnosed with a terminal condition. I didn't tell my family (and still haven't) as they would be devastated and I couldn't put them through that and I would still never tell them to save them the pain. Instead, I kept it to myself and I turned to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and I prayed, and prayed hard - vowing to go to visit the Imam (عليه السلام) in either Iraq or Iran - wherever I could go. All I needed was a sign.

Whether or not I was right, I believe received that sign soon after - I dreamt one night that I was in a jamaat salaat, and as I was about to go into Sajda, A man very tenderly kissed the side of my neck exactly where the 'condition' was diagnosed. It was SO real that I woke up. I felt it, I actually heard it and I could feel it even after I was wide awake and sitting up in bed. I even considered the possibility that my father was in the room. I got the feeling straight away that this was Imam Reza ((عليه السلام)).

I should add that this dream was particularly odd for me as I had never regular at prayers, let alone in a Jamaat.

Miracle / Sign or not, It felt real enough for me to jump on the next Ziyarat Trip to Iran and visit the Imam ((عليه السلام)) personally.

In Iran, I really felt connected with the Imam ((عليه السلام)), and begged him that I wouldn't leave empty handed (those were my specific words). Randomly one evening, an average, normal looking man (who I can only think must have worked there) approached me very directly near the Zari of Imam and handed me a handful of petals. I had no idea what this was so I asked him, and he pointed at the Zari. I still didn't know what this was for, so I asked another Ziareen and he said something like 'Make a dua and put in the Zari'. Not knowing better, I did exactly that, but ended up keeping one single petal.

Only later did I realise that these were the petals from the top of the Zari of Imam Reza, and this may have been the gift I begged for.

For the last 10 years I have kept that petal safely and very, very carefully, not knowing what to do with it. But I inherently feel like I'm meant to do something with it. Life, career etc have all kept moving (Alhumdulilah) but I'm not cured and can't help but wonder if it's because I haven't done what I'm supposed to do with this gift.

I'm curious to get my fellow brother / sisters take on the following:

1. What should I do with this? I've considered everything from eating it to putting it in water and drinking the water.

2. Could this have been the gift I was asking for, which I haven't benefitted from?

3. If this is, in fact, a gift from Imam ((عليه السلام)) with shifa then I desperately want to share it first with my family who are also suffering in other ways - how should I do this?

I'm known to be pretty bright, intelligent and a very rational person - and very open to the possibility that all of this is my imagination or a random series of coincidences. However, if this is a gift that I haven't realised, I feel I MUST do it in the right way. There may be shifa given to me that I haven't benefited from.

Anyway, as I said this has been on my mind for a decade. Any advice / insight / thoughts / knowledge anyone can share?

Jazakallah Brothers / Sisters

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49 minutes ago, LostInDunya said:

What should I do with this? I've considered everything from eating it to putting it in water and drinking the water.

 2. Could this have been the gift I was asking for, which I haven't benefitted from?

3. If this is, in fact, a gift from Imam ((عليه السلام)) with shifa then I desperately want to share it first with my family who are also suffering in other ways - how should I do this?

Salam you can make rose water by boiling it & then turn vapor to liquid also you can order Zamzam water from online shops for its water but consider it that it won’t become poisonous 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_water

2.its possible 

3. If you make rose water from it you can give your product to your family but at first test a little amount of it.

https://wellnessmama.com/119067/rose-water/

https://www.holistichealthherbalist.com/make-rose-water/

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Something very similar happened with me at the shrines of Imam Hussein AS except I was handed a white candle. 

Usually what it means is that you’ve been given “your answer” or as they would call it in Arabic “imraad”. 

I would, in your case, take some of the roses and keep them and some I’d make rose water out of. 

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I don't deny the power of Allah to grant us our Dua through the Prophet and Aimmah and through their Sha'fa' as created slaves of Allah closest to him. However, I just want to offer you the scenario in which there is a possibility the roses are just a coincidence - many others may have got them. Some say they get candles, again, by people who work there to give out these gifts and maybe bought them online or at a convenience store with good intentions. We should be very cautious not to romanticise thing we have no real evidence for. There are no reliable traditions which speak of the Prophet or Aimmah ever passing on messages in this manner, nor mandate for followers to assume such things.

Instead of these things, why not have a look at the beautiful supplications left behind by the Prophet and his purified progeny, including Imam al-Ridha (عليه السلام), whereby they beg and call upon their creator in the most beautiful of ways. Such things are perhaps infinitely more valuable than a rose petal which really may or may not have any meaning, but it is established it has no mandate as far as traditions go.

When you begged him not to leave you empty handed, as Shias, the intention I am sure is you were asking him to beg to Allah, so that Allah can grant you through his intercession. Surely guidance, improvement in your character, many goals and dreams you have that are inline with Islam and can benefit your family and society, forgiveness, are perhaps far greater things God may have bestowed on you, than a rose petal?

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54 minutes ago, Ruqaya101 said:

Something very similar happened with me at the shrines of Imam Hussein AS except I was handed a white candle. 

Usually what it means is that you’ve been given “your answer” or as they would call it in Arabic “imraad”. 

I would, in your case, take some of the roses and keep them and some I’d make rose water out of. 

When you say usually it means you have been given your answer, does this particular statement have a evidence so far as a statement by the Prophet or any of the Aimmah claiming those who perform their Ziyarah will receive such signs? If it does not, are we at risk of perhaps attributing something to them we have no knowledge of? I say this not to cause offence, but my deep desire to seek truth, and perhaps through questions to remedy something I may have been ignorant of. 

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42 minutes ago, Guest Itsme said:

When you say usually it means you have been given your answer, does this particular statement have a evidence so far as a statement by the Prophet or any of the Aimmah claiming those who perform their Ziyarah will receive such signs? If it does not, are we at risk of perhaps attributing something to them we have no knowledge of? I say this not to cause offence, but my deep desire to seek truth, and perhaps through questions to remedy something I may have been ignorant of. 

Sellam,

I am as ignorant as you perhaps, however, it is dependant on what happened and how it occurred. But yes, theres actually many stories told by sheikhs from what ive heard and know. And I don't know if "imraad" means necessarily, given an "answer" to, its in Arabic, and I don't know how to exactly translate it. There is many Hadiths, where the Imams mention that, Maybe im wrong, if you visited their shrines, then of course, your hajjahs will be heard, also, I believe sincerity of the Dua is taken into consideration. 

You could refer to it as a coincidence, But for some, I guess, depending on what occurred, some see it as an answer, even if it was a coincedence, its still a blessing, and should be regarded as one, BUT, going to the shrines itself, is a blessing at its entirety. 

sorry, I couldn't be much of a help, I am as ignorant as you are perhaps when it comes to this, if anyone knows more, let me know.

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I think you need to look at everything to understand what is the message

You said u don’t often go to jammah salah, and lets face it today hardly any do have the time and place to do so, but I would say that the message was that to get your illness healed you should attend jammah salah, and the rosery bead is a reminder to you always about that

Do a experiment , everything in our spirituality and other religions spirituality revovles around the number 40, so try this attend jammah salah 40 times or 40 days in a row and let the bead be a reminder to that and see if your illness gets cured

there is many hadith talking about both the material and spiritual benefits of jammah salah and one of them is to cure you from disease so I would say try it for 40 days in a row try to attend at least one jammah prayer a day or try to count attending jamah salah 40 times , one of the conditions of these 40 days interval is that it is consecutive so try to do it consecutvely it might be the key to getting healed from your illness on account of the Imam almost guranteeing it to you since he kisses your neck in the dream while your doing jamah salah

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6 hours ago, Guest Observer said:

I think you need to look at everything to understand what is the message

You said u don’t often go to jammah salah, and lets face it today hardly any do have the time and place to do so, but I would say that the message was that to get your illness healed you should attend jammah salah, and the rosery bead is a reminder to you always about that

I appreciate your efforts to try to get the brother to attend Jamaah prayers, but surely neither of us can possibly say , other than speculating without evidence, that there even was a message, putting aside what that message was.

 

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9 hours ago, Guest Itsme said:

I appreciate your efforts to try to get the brother to attend Jamaah prayers, but surely neither of us can possibly say , other than speculating without evidence, that there even was a message, putting aside what that message was.

 

the evidence is in the hadith, hadith talk about the benefits of jamah salah and this is one of its benefits to cure you from diseases and prevent further diseases

this message is not some revelation of what isnt already know, its not like he was instructed to stand on his head underwater or some unknown thing or unpractised thing , but rather a reminder of what is forgotten and not practised ,

I don’t know why ur so anti dream messages, there is a hadith which Prophet muhammed says that after me all of the prophetic attributes will be lifted from the world except two, dream messages and another thing which I can’t remember from memory so I don’t want to misquote it

this is a very vivid dream, not one laden in hidden meanings, which usually comes to a pure heart, the reason people have dreams ridden in riddles and require it to be translated or deconstructed into something understandable is because the message is lost due to the persons own heart coverings , so the message gets twisted and covered because the persons heart is like this , its just a reflection of what is already there , its like the dream is purely delivered by the angel that delivers dreams, but as it goes through the cob webs and filters of the persons soul-heart it gets filtered and changed and misplaced and twisted and turned etc and hence the person receives it as they do with all kinds of strange things

the more honest pure and sincere a person the more clear something like a dream comes to, if a person is really pure the dream is as direct and clear as if u are looking at it like anything else in this world

recently there has been this weird anti spiritual movement in the Shia world, anything to do with dreams or that sixth sense perception or spiritual related feelings, people shun it negate it run away from it ignore it , like they are afraid of it, as if our whole religion is confined to physical material world and pre frontal cortex of the brain and has to be defined and accepted by logic and reason(related to the experience of this world) that each individual understands

the spiritual aspect of our religion is the powerful part of our religion, and recently its shunned by everyone and people run away from it, Qur'an says in surah bakarah that that requirement for being Muslims is to believe in Allah and the Unseen, this is mentioned right at the front, and the unseen is the spiritual aspect of our religion, the soul , and this despite that it is not mentioned much and not much is given which the Qur'an also says is actually far bigger than all that the material world offers to show

the spiritual aspect of our existence is like 1000 times fold bigger than the material side of it, the material side is boring, its dead its empty its limited, we are all unhappy with it, when it brings pleasure it brings grief with it, when it brings grief it brings pleasure , 

if we all try to find happiness in material side of our religion (thats halal) we quickly find that its not what we thought it will be and are unhappy there, and feel like we hit a wall, so clearly this is not the answer

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17 minutes ago, Guest Observer said:

the evidence is in the hadith, hadith talk about the benefits of jamah salah and this is one of its benefits to cure you from diseases and prevent further diseases

this message is not some revelation of what isnt already know, its not like he was instructed to stand on his head underwater or some unknown thing or unpractised thing , but rather a reminder of what is forgotten and not practised ,

I don’t know why ur so anti dream messages, there is a hadith which Prophet muhammed says that after me all of the prophetic attributes will be lifted from the world except two, dream messages and another thing which I can’t remember from memory so I don’t want to misquote it

this is a very vivid dream, not one laden in hidden meanings, which usually comes to a pure heart, the reason people have dreams ridden in riddles and require it to be translated or deconstructed into something understandable is because the message is lost due to the persons own heart coverings , so the message gets twisted and covered because the persons heart is like this , its just a reflection of what is already there , its like the dream is purely delivered by the angel that delivers dreams, but as it goes through the cob webs and filters of the persons soul-heart it gets filtered and changed and misplaced and twisted and turned etc and hence the person receives it as they do with all kinds of strange things

the more honest pure and sincere a person the more clear something like a dream comes to, if a person is really pure the dream is as direct and clear as if u are looking at it like anything else in this world

recently there has been this weird anti spiritual movement in the Shia world, anything to do with dreams or that sixth sense perception or spiritual related feelings, people shun it negate it run away from it ignore it , like they are afraid of it, as if our whole religion is confined to physical material world and pre frontal cortex of the brain and has to be defined and accepted by logic and reason(related to the experience of this world) that each individual understands

the spiritual aspect of our religion is the powerful part of our religion, and recently its shunned by everyone and people run away from it, Qur'an says in surah bakarah that that requirement for being Muslims is to believe in Allah and the Unseen, this is mentioned right at the front, and the unseen is the spiritual aspect of our religion, the soul , and this despite that it is not mentioned much and not much is given which the Qur'an also says is actually far bigger than all that the material world offers to show

the spiritual aspect of our existence is like 1000 times fold bigger than the material side of it, the material side is boring, its dead its empty its limited, we are all unhappy with it, when it brings pleasure it brings grief with it, when it brings grief it brings pleasure , 

if we all try to find happiness in material side of our religion (thats halal) we quickly find that its not what we thought it will be and are unhappy there, and feel like we hit a wall, so clearly this is not the answer

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2 hours ago, Guest Observer said:

the evidence is in the hadith, hadith talk about the benefits of jamah salah and this is one of its benefits to cure you from diseases and prevent further diseases

this message is not some revelation of what isnt already know, its not like he was instructed to stand on his head underwater or some unknown thing or unpractised thing , but rather a reminder of what is forgotten and not practised ,

I don’t know why ur so anti dream messages, there is a hadith which Prophet muhammed says that after me all of the prophetic attributes will be lifted from the world except two, dream messages and another thing which I can’t remember from memory so I don’t want to misquote it

Thank you for your reply.

I don't deny about another dimension with respect to dreams, but on what authority can anyone here on Shiachat interpret dreams? The brother clearly felt emotionally passionate about not only his condition, perhaps reflected on his prayers which he deeply felt he ought to have been performing, and making Ziyarah was on his mind. It isn't unusual for him to have had this sort of a dream.  What if the dream was merely what his subconscious and conscious was concerned with? Christians have these experiences, and I have heard about many dreams when they fly into Heaven and see Jesus, and "know it was him". I am not saying this was that, but it could well have been.

Even so, there is no way to reliably interpret it as lay people and claim this is what the interpretation could be, when we actually really don't know. One of my issues particularly when people post about their dreams on here is that they then ask others to interpret these dreams. Believe me when I say people out of their own conjecture give the brother or sister wildly differing interpretations, to which it becomes clear nobody really has the knowledge to be able to comment on these things.

What if perhaps it was a message for him, but not the one you say. What if the dream was a reminder to fulfil his obligations in general? What if it was to maintain a daily connection with God? What if it was a reminder to increase in his remembrance of Allah, for in the remembrance of Allah our hearts find rest?  What if it was a reminder for him that being a good Shia Muslim isn't necessarily about Ziyarah, and that it would be better for him to focus first on his connection with Allah?

My understanding of the situation is that the brother also received this rose petal at the shrine. It is common at shrines for well-intentioned people to hand out gifts and tokens from the shrine to others. How could you possibly tell that Allah deliberately planned (or Imam al-Ridha somehow) to get this rose petal for that particular purpose and intention? What if the rose petal was really just a coincidence, to which someone already very emotionally attached to the Ziyarah wants to put profound meaning to?

My problem isn't that Allah may give us signs, but when it gets into the territory when people begin to speculate. Nobody can claim that the Prophet or Imams by permission of Allah somehow metaphysically cause physical objects like candles , rose petals or any other gift to be given to their followers. There is no evidence being given such things is from them, is proof a dua was answered, or is evidence of any higher meaning and no evidence has been provided to support this.

I view al-Islam as a religion predicated upon evidence. We believe in the spiritual but that doesn't give us the right to make our net so porous everything simply flows in.

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12 hours ago, Guest Itsme said:

Even so, there is no way to reliably interpret it as lay people and claim this is what the interpretation could be, when we actually really don't know. One of my issues particularly when people post about their dreams on here is that they then ask others to interpret these dreams. Believe me when I say people out of their own conjecture give the brother or sister wildly differing interpretations, to which it becomes clear nobody really has the knowledge to be able to comment on these things.

Fortunately there is not any image from Imam reza (عليه السلام) available that shows his face &  nobody  can’t claims he saw him like as that picture or image also Sunnis belive that Shaitan can’t resemble himself like as Prophet (pbu) & very pious people like as Imam reza (عليه السلام) beside that he is a martyre & consider as a living person that can affect our life by permission of Allah also it recorded multiple time that that he gave some stuff to his pilgrims for healing & blessings of them that is not by accident but maybe happens by by different means & people also there is very famous Hadith that Imam Reza (عليه السلام) himself said “who visits my grave  after my Martyrdom & knows my right  I will come & help him in three occasions on when letters are given to right or left hand of people ,second time in time of weighing our deeds & third time when his pilgrim crosses the Sarat bridge “ that in three occasions he will help his pilgrim to get better results 

also it reported by multiple great Shia scholars that when they were visiting his grave they were seeing him alive that is welcoming his pilgrims but people can’t see him but he welcomes everyone & that great Shia scholars were asking their questions from him & were receiving answers from him .

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

also it reported by multiple great Shia scholars that when they were visiting his grave they were seeing him alive that is welcoming his pilgrims but people can’t see him but he welcomes everyone & that great Shia scholars were asking their questions from him & were receiving answers from him .

Why do these scholars tend to be from many centuries ago, when sources become obscure and tales turn into legends, rather than modern day ones, perhaps even the ones we find still living and openly claiming these things?

On another note, perhaps the title should be changed to "Ridha". When did we start spelling and pronouncing it Raza etc. 

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15 hours ago, Guest Observer said:

the evidence is in the hadith, hadith talk about the benefits of jamah salah and this is one of its benefits to cure you from diseases and prevent further diseases

this message is not some revelation of what isnt already know, its not like he was instructed to stand on his head underwater or some unknown thing or unpractised thing , but rather a reminder of what is forgotten and not practised ,

I don’t know why ur so anti dream messages, there is a hadith which Prophet muhammed says that after me all of the prophetic attributes will be lifted from the world except two, dream messages and another thing which I can’t remember from memory so I don’t want to misquote it

this is a very vivid dream, not one laden in hidden meanings, which usually comes to a pure heart, the reason people have dreams ridden in riddles and require it to be translated or deconstructed into something understandable is because the message is lost due to the persons own heart coverings , so the message gets twisted and covered because the persons heart is like this , its just a reflection of what is already there , its like the dream is purely delivered by the angel that delivers dreams, but as it goes through the cob webs and filters of the persons soul-heart it gets filtered and changed and misplaced and twisted and turned etc and hence the person receives it as they do with all kinds of strange things

the more honest pure and sincere a person the more clear something like a dream comes to, if a person is really pure the dream is as direct and clear as if u are looking at it like anything else in this world

recently there has been this weird anti spiritual movement in the Shia world, anything to do with dreams or that sixth sense perception or spiritual related feelings, people shun it negate it run away from it ignore it , like they are afraid of it, as if our whole religion is confined to physical material world and pre frontal cortex of the brain and has to be defined and accepted by logic and reason(related to the experience of this world) that each individual understands

the spiritual aspect of our religion is the powerful part of our religion, and recently its shunned by everyone and people run away from it, Qur'an says in surah bakarah that that requirement for being Muslims is to believe in Allah and the Unseen, this is mentioned right at the front, and the unseen is the spiritual aspect of our religion, the soul , and this despite that it is not mentioned much and not much is given which the Qur'an also says is actually far bigger than all that the material world offers to show

the spiritual aspect of our existence is like 1000 times fold bigger than the material side of it, the material side is boring, its dead its empty its limited, we are all unhappy with it, when it brings pleasure it brings grief with it, when it brings grief it brings pleasure , 

if we all try to find happiness in material side of our religion (thats halal) we quickly find that its not what we thought it will be and are unhappy there, and feel like we hit a wall, so clearly this is not the answer

Wonderfully said. 

Many of us on ShiaChat and outside found questioning, I do my wajibat, I do my Salat ul Layl, I do my Duas, I do my fasting, how come I don’t get my spiritual high. 

While these things are important and do elevate us in spiritually, we often tend to forget the spirituality that emanate from the names of Allah, by touching the names of the Aimah, by keeping the Khak e Shifa in hand, by a prolonged sajda, by repeating certain name of Allah, by thinking of the mercy of Muhammad sawaw, by being praying a 2 raka salat only for the safety of our last Imam and so on. 

Also, ShiaChat is unique, but outside of it, there are millions of Shia who gain spiritual energy, light of guidance, warmth of love of Imams, shining of the noor of Allah on them, just by sitting on the place where once our Prophet sat or our Imam prayed, or a certain aijaz of their noor was shown. 

So don’t be disheartened, some Shia that write here may not be the reflection of the millions who are out there getting the spiritual blessing of the Nai’ma of Prophet and Ahlul Bayt AS. 

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12 hours ago, Guest Itsme said:

Why do these scholars tend to be from many centuries ago, when sources become obscure and tales turn into legends, rather than modern day ones, perhaps even the ones we find still living and openly claiming these things?

 On another note, perhaps the title should be changed to "Ridha". When did we start spelling and pronouncing it Raza etc. 

Salam these type of visits also reported by some scholars in our era but not translated to English & only available in Farsi or Arabic  sites because  it’s hard even for me in Iran to accept whole of it but the authenticity of scholars in centuries ago approved many times so their report can’t be wrong but you think people like as Ayt Behjat & rest of great Arifs in our time just visiting their grave that is not true but they were talking about their visits very rarely that leaked after their death that they were visiting Imams specially Imam Radha has) as a living person because they could see more than physical world also I read it somewhere & saw a video years ago but I can’t find it again that a European guy & his wife that were seeking for best religion after many years of investigation specially in India they could see more than physical world by teachings of monks in India but they didn’t satisfied with their ideology & they lost their hope & in their way back to Europe they visited Mashhad just for seeing Iran before their return but when they visited Imam Reza (عليه السلام) grave just for curiosity both of them see him as a living luminous person that greeted  them & after few research they became Muslims .

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