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4 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

By the way, there are fatwas according to which, if you have a little water and you have to make wozu for a wajib prayer and there is also a thirsty dog, it is "wajib" to give the water to the dog and do tayammum instead of wozu even if the dog doesnt die of thirst.

If killing a dog for no reason is permissible, why the above fatwa prioritizes giving the water to the dog rather than a wajib act (making wozu) and even considers the former to be wajib?

Provide proof please.

4 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

Even this fatwa doesnt say that killing a pig or dog for no reason is halal. It just says that you don’t have to pay the fine.

To my knowledge, fatwas are based on the following sources:

-Qur'an....there is no verse which allows it.

-wisdom....it also doesnt allow us to kill an animal for no reason.

-sunnah...not only the Prophet and Imams didnt do it, but they were very kind to animals.

There are only few narrations which allow people to kill insects or harmful animals such as snakes. In contrast, there are narrations which allow killing some animals and insects if they are harmful.

-ijma

Now just imagine if you kill a mother dog or pig, then what will happen to its children?

Yes, this means if you own a dog, other than a designated dog, and someone kills it, you cannot ask for compensation. As for a non-owned animal, there is no sin to get rid of it. This is his wakeel right here explaining it;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3V_WPT9Pa78

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Guest Mesopotamian Archer

Hello.

You, and the other individuals here, have no right to interpret as you desire.

The tradition you've presented is in: the Sufficient Book, volume 6, page 528.

And in the Mirror of Minds, volume 22, page 441: with the status of weak.

 

BUT, apart from it being weak, there are points:

1. Medina is a holy land, dogs & pigs don't enter in it - so, if they were to enter, they'll need to be killed.

2. The specified tradition is not proof, that building graves and tombs is forbidden. Rather, if it was correct, then we'll take into consideration, the context: what if these graves were legitimately being worshiped? Or what if they were the graves of polytheists? They'll need to be demolished, in order for the people not to be deceived by them. And add to that, it being erected right beside the holy mosque, which in a way or another, degrades the status of the place, from the eyes of beholders.

3. The dog is impure in itself - that's why the 'stoppers' were referred to by 'the rained dogs,' (I.e., dogs that were showered with rain) - because if dogs showered with rain, were to shake (the water) off of their body, and a teardrop of water fell on a person that had performed ablution, he'll need to perform ablution again: characterizing the 'stoppers' as impure, and that we should keep away from them, as to not get 'teardrops.'

 

Anyhow, it's a weak tradition. And those that conclude (from it) that graves should be demolished, might as well go demolish their loved ones' graves, or go demolish the holy mosque in Medina - lets see if they'll do it.

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On 3/25/2019 at 7:57 PM, Sumerian said:

It is not haram according to most if not all Shi'a jurists for a person to kill a stray dog or a pig for no reason.

Also, you cannot buy a guard dog. A hunting dog is okay though.

I wonder where some people get their "Islam" from?

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20 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Provide proof please.

/watch?v=3V_WPT9Pa78

The author of Jawaher al-Kalam says:

وكذا يتيمم لو كان معه ماء للشرب وخاف العطش على نفسه ان استعمله في الحال أو المآل إجماعا محصلا ومنقولا عن علمائنا ، بل وعن كل من يحفظ عنه العلم مستفيضا وسنة [١] بالخصوص كذلك فضلا عن عمومها وعمومات الكتاب ، وعلى رفيقه المسلم المحترم الدم ، سيما إذا كان ممن تجب نفقته عليه بلا خلاف أجده فيه أيضا ، لأهمية حفظ النفس في نظر الشارع بدليل تقديمه على غيره من الواجبات كقطع الصلاة لانقاذها وغيره مما لا بدل له ، فضلا عما له بدل مساو له في الطهورية ، بل وعلى رفيقه المضر به تلفه أو ضعفه وان لم يكن محترما كالحربي وغيره ، وكذا الحيوان إذا كان كذلك وإن كان كلبا ، لفحوى ما تقدم سابقا من الانتقال الى التيمم عند خوف الضرر عليه باستعماله أو طلبه ان لم نقل باندراج ذلك كله أو بعضه في قول الصادق عليه‌السلام

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On 3/31/2019 at 3:56 PM, Sumerian said:

Provide proof please.

Yes, this means if you own a dog, other than a designated dog, and someone kills it, you cannot ask for compensation. As for a non-owned animal, there is no sin to get rid of it. This is his wakeel right here explaining it;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3V_WPT9Pa78

It seems like the maraji’ have different opinions on this matter. Here’s what Imam Khamenei says:

 

س: هل يجوز قتل الكلاب عمداً من دون سبب ؟

يجوز قتل الحيوانات المؤذية اذا لم تكن مملوكة لأحد، ولا يجوز ظلم الحيوانات اذا لم تكن المؤذية .

Edited by Hassan-

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5 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

The author of Jawaher al-Kalam says:

وكذا يتيمم لو كان معه ماء للشرب وخاف العطش على نفسه ان استعمله في الحال أو المآل إجماعا محصلا ومنقولا عن علمائنا ، بل وعن كل من يحفظ عنه العلم مستفيضا وسنة [١] بالخصوص كذلك فضلا عن عمومها وعمومات الكتاب ، وعلى رفيقه المسلم المحترم الدم ، سيما إذا كان ممن تجب نفقته عليه بلا خلاف أجده فيه أيضا ، لأهمية حفظ النفس في نظر الشارع بدليل تقديمه على غيره من الواجبات كقطع الصلاة لانقاذها وغيره مما لا بدل له ، فضلا عما له بدل مساو له في الطهورية ، بل وعلى رفيقه المضر به تلفه أو ضعفه وان لم يكن محترما كالحربي وغيره ، وكذا الحيوان إذا كان كذلك وإن كان كلبا ، لفحوى ما تقدم سابقا من الانتقال الى التيمم عند خوف الضرر عليه باستعماله أو طلبه ان لم نقل باندراج ذلك كله أو بعضه في قول الصادق عليه‌السلام

This is saying that if there is little water and there is an animal, you can give the animal water and do tayamum instead. So here you are correct.

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When Animals Complain to God [4th night Muharram) |Sheikh Azhar Naser -9/13/2018

And there is a famous quote from from Prophet (pbu) that “an adulterous Woman once saw a Prophet hirsty dog I desert & she made a pot with her shoe & gave water to that dog that Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) forgave  her sins & rewarded paradise to her but in other hand a good woman tortured a cat that caused death of cat that in response Allah enters her to hell “ source Nahjul Fasaha so as Imam Ali (عليه السلام) always was following proxy & ordered of Prophet (pbu) also there is many stories that Grand Shia scholars was caring about astray dogs that were providing food & shelter for dogs so the claim about killing dogs just fabricated for insulting  both Prophet Muhammad (pbu) & Imam Ali (عليه السلام) also 

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