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Feminine and masculine traits

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Salam

It seems to me that all positive masculine traits (focus, protectiveness, physical strength) are also good traits in women, and all positive feminine traits (overview thinking, nurturing, cooperative) are also good traits in men. It seems to me that only the toxic traits should be fought against in either gender.

Are there any positive traits that are unique to one gender? 

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Woman’s introspection and intuition

man’s groundedness and ability to fight

im not quite sure how to express my traits better lol but were able to sometimes see the overall picture better or sometimes microanalyze in life 

honestly though the sexes help one another in these traits one way or another. So these traits completely aren’t independent. In fact I think they arise due to the opposite sex

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The good characteristics of women are the bad characteristics of men: pride, cowardice and stinginess. If a woman has pride she will not allow herself to be taken advantage of; if she is stingy she will guard her wealth and her spouse’s wealth; and if she is cowardly she will be cautious of everything that confronts her.’ (Imam Ali)

I'm not sure of the exact refferance. (Any help ?)

"Nevertheless, Imam Ali considers the best characteristics of women as the worst attributes of man"

(Article by Abbas Ali Shameli Al Islam.org)

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34 minutes ago, Ralvi said:

Woman’s introspection and intuition

man’s groundedness and ability to fight

Are introspection and intuition never found in men? Are men negatively affected by having these traits?

Are groundedness and ability to fight never found in women? Are women negatively affected by having these traits? (I've had to fight before, and I'm very glad I could, though I'd rather have avoided it.) 

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33 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Leadership is a masculine trait even in an Islamic view. 

Fatima Zahra. Lady Zainab. Lady Khadija. 

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45 minutes ago, Warilla said:

The good characteristics of women are the bad characteristics of men: pride, cowardice and stinginess. 

Maybe it's a language issue, maybe this was translated badly. But definitely excessive pride, cowardice, and stinginess are bad characteristics in a human, regardless of gender. 

Tell me this: when you are looking for a wife, would you give preference to a proud, stingy, cowardly woman? Would you attribute any of those characteristics to the ladies of the family of the Prophet (عليه السلام)? 

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33 minutes ago, notme said:

Maybe it's a language issue, maybe this was translated badly.

But definitely excessive pride, cowardice, and stinginess are bad characteristics in a human, regardless of gender. 

Tell me this: when you are looking for a wife, would you give preference to a proud, stingy, cowardly woman?

That's why I posted the hadith and seperate quote from the article on Islam.org to confirm the position.

Yes I would as it's advice from Imam Ali and as I don't have those characteristics it would balance our lives once married.

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8 hours ago, notme said:

Would you attribute any of those characteristics to the ladies of the family of the Prophet (عليه السلام)? 

Why not ? if the hadith is authentic then it's the best characteristics for a woman according to the best of men after Rasool.

Now if the hadith is not authentic or its misunderstood that's a diffirent matter.

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2 minutes ago, Warilla said:

That's why I posted the hadith and seperate quote from the article on Islam.org to confirm the position.

Yes I would as it's advice from Imam Ali and as I don't have those characteristics it would balance our lives once married.

So you would choose a proud stingy coward to raise your children? 

Maybe you define these words differently from how I do. 

I can understand some level of pride being a positive characteristic - but in a man as much as in a woman, so let's just disregard that one for now.

How would it benefit the family for the wife to be a stingy person? Protectiveness over the family's possessions is not the same as stinginess. Frugality is not the same as stinginess. And both frugality and protectiveness would be positive characteristics in a man.

How in the world would anyone benefit from being a coward or choosing a coward to raise their children? Caution is not the same as cowardice, and is also a positive trait in a man. 

I'm sure it must be a difference in interpretation. Otherwise, it's unfathomable. 

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8 hours ago, notme said:

Fatima Zahra. Lady Zainab. Lady Khadija. 

Role models certainly. How many were Imams (leaders?) 

Imam Ali led Fatimah al Zahra, Imam Hussain followed by Imam Sajjad were the leaders in Lady Zeinab's time (عليه السلام). And the Prophet saw was the leader of Lady Khadijah. There is nothing negative about this either, merely facts.

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10 minutes ago, Warilla said:

Now if the hadith is not authentic or its misunderstood that's a diffirent matter.

Exactly. 

If it contradicts Qur'an, other accepted hadith, doesn't match up to the lives of the Prophet's family, or just defies common sense, one must question its validity and interpretation. 

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5 minutes ago, notme said:

 1)Frugality is not the same as stinginess.

2)How in the world would anyone benefit from being a coward

3)I'm sure it must be a difference in interpretation. Otherwise, it's unfathomable. 

4) Common sense

1) they are synonyms open any thesaurus or dictionary

2) the hadith gives the reason

3) what you find unfathomable is not important.

4) Common sense is subjective

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2 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Role models certainly. How many were Imams (leaders?) 

There are leaders who are not The Leader. Agree? 

And not every man is The Imam. Also agree? 

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Just now, Warilla said:

1) they are synonyms open any thesaurus or dictionary

2) the hadith gives the reason

3) what you find unfathomable is not important.

But it's wrong. 

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