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There’s is something essential to faith and there are the accessories of faith.  The nuances in doctrine are the accessories... after all, these nuances of doctrine didn’t exist during the time of the Propeht (S).  The Prophet’s (S) very being  sufficed.  

During the life of the Prophet (S) there existed no polemics, all the sahabah were one and united in love and out of love for the Prophet (S) and they respected each other immensely.  All the polemics started as soon as the Prophet (S) left this word.  What you align yourself with after the departing of the Prophet (S) is an accessory (not to be belittled, but also not to be blinded by as well).  It is through the aligning of yourself with the Ahlul Bayt (S) exclusively (like the case is with Shiaism) or with Sahaba as a whole (as is the case with Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama’) that you will find your connection with the Prophet (S).  Both parties intend to honor the Prophet (S), one part does so by seeing the Prophet (S) in his bloodline (his family), and the other honors the Prophet (S) by exclusively seeing the Prophet (S) in himself and and in no one else. These are merely two sides of the same coin, two ways of approaching the Prophet (S).  

Notice in the world of the Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama the emphasis is usually placed on what the Prophet (S) did.  He (S) did this, so I will do this...  this is why Sunnis by and large are very good with doing their Sunnah prayers (it is in some cases wajib although not fard to not follow the Prophet (S) in his extra prayers.). In the Shia world the emphasis is placed on the Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) because the Ahlul Bayt (S) best represent the Prophet (S), this is why Shias tend to rely predominantly on what the Ahlul Bayt (S) say and do.  

@eThErEaL so what answer do the earlier people give to the question of Imam/wali? 

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30 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

the Buddhists follow Muhammad (S) through the Buddha (عليه السلام).  

That's a surprise to me. Isn't budhism 2500 years old or did their book predict the arrival of Prophet Mohammed ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))? 

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43 minutes ago, Murtaza1 said:

@eThErEaL so how did they know about the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))? 

Well, they don’t need to know about his historical reality as an individual.  They merely have to follow their Prophet(عليه السلام) and that would be following Muhammad (S) through the Buddha.  Knowingly or unknowingly they are following the Prophet (S).  

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1 hour ago, eThErEaL said:

Well, they don’t need to know about his historical reality as an individual.  They merely have to follow their Prophet(عليه السلام) and that would be following Muhammad (S) through the Buddha.  Knowingly or unknowingly they are following the Prophet (S).  

Well I think that's a long shot unless you are 100% sure that budhism was one of the early religions sent by Allah subhana wa tala 

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1 hour ago, Murtaza1 said:

What evidence is there? 

What evidence is there that Muhammad (S) is the final messenger of God?  

It is “your faith/ your knowledge”of him, his message and of his miracle(s) isn’t it?

Can anyone see that faith?

it is like asking, “what evidence is there of God?”  Answer:  God Himself is the evidence for the one who has faith in Him and who knows Him.

Buddhism itself is its evidence for the one that truly knows about Buddhism and its wise and noble teachings. 

 

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2 hours ago, Murtaza1 said:

Well I think that's a long shot unless you are 100% sure that budhism was one of the early religions sent by Allah subhana wa tala 

Not possible since Buddhism does not promote Monotheism. 

In fact, Buddhism speaks against the concept of a central entity that created life, the world or existence in general. How can that be something that Allah sent into this world when it does not support the concept of central creator ?

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2 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

according to me what you are saying about Buddhism is very far from the truth

On that note, then you would be the person best suited to explain Buddhism from an Islamic perspective.

My knowledge of Buddhism is strictly at a Layman's level from having a friend who is a Buddhist explain it to me.

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The Buddha had “experienced” the Truth and he knew that others before him had seen It. But the seers of Truth have always been few; and the ignorance of the many always holds sway as the popular view. Siddhartha, the Buddha, had been born into a time when the esoteric understanding of the mystics, the seers, had been almost entirely subverted by the priest of the Brahmin caste, who promulgated an interpretation of the ancient Vedic teachings based on their own ignorance of enlightenment. They had corrupted true religion into a superstition of primitive ritual, in which they, themselves, took the position of intercessors between God and His devotees, pandering to the fears and worldly desires of the people.

We see the same thing throughout history and today as well. The vast majority of “religious” men and women know nothing of the true meaning of religion.

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18 hours ago, Shams of tabriz said:

Budha is the distorted form of Sanskrit word Vriddha.

It probably is but like Arabic it has been borrowed and its interpretation changed like the meaning of some Arabic words that are used and slightly changed in other cultures. 

18 hours ago, Shams of tabriz said:

priest of the Brahmin caste, who promulgated an interpretation of the ancient Vedic teachings based on their own ignorance of enlightenment. They had corrupted true religion into a superstition of primitive ritual,

It's like other religions including Islam where the true Shia Islam is distorted by others. Who knows maybe the budha was one of the 124,000 Prophets or 313 messengers sent by Allah subha wa tala before Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) . 

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8 hours ago, Murtaza1 said:

It's like other religions including Islam where the true Shia Islam is distorted by others. Who knows maybe the budha was one of the 124,000 Prophets or 313 messengers sent by Allah subha wa tala before Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) . 

Not possible, he didn't believe in a Creator , encouraged his disciples to eat pork and practiced asceticism.   

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On 3/13/2019 at 10:39 AM, Akbar673 said:

Not possible since Buddhism does not promote Monotheism. 

In fact, Buddhism speaks against the concept of a central entity that created life, the world or existence in general. How can that be something that Allah sent into this world when it does not support the concept of central creator ?

No, Buddhism has various views depending on the version of Buddhism. Theravada and Zen are both more likely to lean towards agnosticism, apatheism and atheism, than, for instance Vajrayana (which is very preoccupied with other spiritual realms, including entities and deities......creating more of an emphasis towards some kind of view of God).

Many American-repackaged forms of Buddhism however are quite often very atheist-leaning and extraordinarily pretentious though. 

I'd say it's a case-by-case basis. 

 

However it is fair to say that Buddhism isn't a "theistic/monotheistic religion" on any defining level.

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9 hours ago, HakimPtsid said:

No, Buddhism has various views depending on the version of Buddhism. Theravada and Zen are both more likely to lean towards agnosticism, apatheism and atheism, than, for instance Vajrayana

These other traditions do not bring them any closer to Islam. Although I understand that the Vajrayana tradition is different from budhas original Mahayana tradition because it developed through ideas and movements that were prevalent in 1st AD Indian subcontinent. 

However I have also heard of agnostic types of Muslims that avoid any talk about the creator and cancel any such reflection upon it because they believe that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of the creator and I don’t mean us Shias but a group that completely avoids all talk about the creator. I forgot what they are called in Islam or the patheist type Muslims who are not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that the creator exists or does not exist and think of it as irrelevant. Maybe Sunnis can be put in the category of Atheism too for having a lack of proper belief in the existence of the creator. 

58 minutes ago, Shams of tabriz said:

Teachings of Buddha distorted by his followers. They divided themselves into sects and True religion of Buddha becomes Hinayana and Mahayana etc.

I totally agree with you and as @Shamz of Tabriz says history is repeating itself. As  I explained above we find similar divide in Islam and other religions too.

9 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Not possible, he didn't believe in a Creator , encouraged his disciples to eat pork and practiced asceticism.   

You are probably right if he ate pork. Although he can't have been that bad as I don’t see how he could have been living a very disciplined life as an asceticist and still not believe in a creator. 

 

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8 hours ago, Murtaza1 said:

Although he can't have been that bad as I don’t see how he could have been living a very disciplined life as an asceticist and still not believe in a creator. 

 

Discipline does not equal faith , ever heard of Jaina Dharma? These people also practice asceticism  and do not believe in a creator.

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Some foolish men declare that creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill advised and should be rejected.

If God created the world, where was he before the creation? If you say he was transcendent then and needed no support, where is he now? How could God have made this world without any raw material? If you say that he made this first, and then the world, you are faced with an endless regression.

If you declare that this raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, for the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have arisen quite naturally.

If God created the world by an act of his own will, without any raw material, then it is just his will and nothing else — and who will believe this silly nonsense?

If he is ever perfect and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could.

If he is form-less, action-less and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all modality, would have no desire to create anything.

If he is perfect, he does not strive for the three aims of man, so what advantage would he gain by creating the universe?

If you say that he created to no purpose because it was his nature to do so, then God is pointless. If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble.

If he created because of the karma of embodied beings (acquired in a previous creation), then he is not the Almighty Lord, but subordinate to something else.

If out of love for living beings and need of them he made the world, why did he not make creation wholly blissful free from misfortune?

If he were transcendent he would not create, for he would be free: Nor if involved in transmigration, for then he would not be almighty. Thus the doctrine that the world was created by God makes no sense at all.

And God commits great sin in slaying the children whom he himself created. If you say that he slays only to destroy evil beings, why did he create such beings in the first place?

Good men should combat the believer in divine creation, maddened by an evil doctrine. Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without beginning or end, and is based on the principles, life and rest. Uncreated and indestructible, it endures under the compulsion of its own nature.

^ From one of their texts, Mahapurana. Although Siddhartha Gautama was not a Jain, the philosophy he preached is very similar.

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2 hours ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

Siddartha’s Buddhism isn’t the same as Buddhism today. So we can’t really say. There are a lot of similarities between Islam and Buddhism, but who knows.

Yep, I agree.

Well interestingly, if you've heard of Manichaeism, they were a religion founded by the self-proclaimed Prophet Mani in the 2nd century. He himself received revelations from God and his revelations brought Buddhism and the Abrahamic tradition both into the same category (one of the first recorded instances of Siddartha and Jesus/Isa (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) being put in the same category). Although Mani's own texts are hard to come by and much of it is left in the dark for historians, he does seem to provide a theoretical backdrop between Islam (being Abrahamic) and Buddhism.

(I don't agree with a lot of what Historians consider to be Manichaen doctrine though.....)

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13 hours ago, Shams of tabriz said:

Teachings of Buddha distorted by his followers. They divided themselves into sects and True religion of Buddha becomes Hinayana and Mahayana etc.

And after two thousand years now it seems that Buddhism is different from Islam.

Yep, I agree with you.

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https://www.islamawareness.net/Hinduism/Hindu.html

https://www.islamawareness.net/Buddhism/Buddhist.html

المايتريا Maitreya أو المخلص والمرتبط ظهورة بالعدد666.
فمن هو هذا المايتريا Maitreya.
معظم المذاهب العالمية تبشِّر بظهور معلم عظيم في العالم (مايتريا Maitreya)، فالمذهب الشيعي في الإسلام يترقب ظهور الإمام المهدي وعودة المسيح ، 
والدين المسيحي ينتظر المجيء الثاني للمسيح، والدين اليهودي يتوقع الماشيح المنتظر، كذلك الهندوس ينتظرون "كريشنا" (أو "كالكي")،
والبوذيون يستعدون لمجيءالبوذا الخامس (البوذا "مايتريا" Maitreya Buddha). 

Most of the global doctrines preach the emergence of a great teacher in the world (Maitreya Maitreya), the Shiite doctrine in Islam awaits the emergence of Imam Mahdi and the return of Christ,
The Christian religion is waiting for the second coming of Christ, and the Jewish religion anticipates the expected signs, and the Hindus wait for Krishna (or Kalki)
Buddhists are preparing for the coming of the fifth Buddha (Maitreya Buddha).


THIS REVELATION WILL SERVE AS A WARNING TO HEBREW SCHOLARS AND
LAY PERSONS IN Israel, AS THEY WILL SEE THAT * MAITREYA * CALCUATES TO 666,
IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE AND ALPHABET!!!
هل هذا الوحي بمثابة تحذير إلى العبرية العلماء والأشخاص العاديين في إسرائيل ، وأنها ستري أن مايتريا CALCUATES إلى 666 ،
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Calculate to six hundred & sixty six = 666.
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MAITREYA are also found in The Bible Code.
(Beast's real mark devalued to '616).

 

and sixty six (666).
7 ـMAITREYA
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י YOD=10 يود= 10
ת TAV=400 تاو= 400
ר RUSH=200 ريش= 200
י YOD=10 يود= 10
ה HEI=5 هيه= 5
א ALEPH=1 ألف= 1
MESSIAH 
المجموع : 666 666 = six hundred and sixty six (666).
MAITREYA = 666: The Number of the Beast Revealed

https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir38623/#.XKhFZp5OTcc

 

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9 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

 Discipline does not equal faith , ever heard of Jaina Dharma? These people also practice asceticism  and do not believe in a creator.

Jain description of God, they do believe in a creator.

Ara is Param eish Ara 

0 Ara, the Highest Lord ! Although you are one, you appear as many (from the modal point of view). And yet you are indeed not many, (because the modes are not your totality}. You are always One, being a complete aggregate of the multiple (mode,;); but (when one looks only at the 
present moment) you are not a collection of modes, (but rather a single mode at a time). Hence you are one (from this latter viewpoint as well). You are full of the wonders of unified consciousness.

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On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 3:21 AM, eThErEaL said:

The Prophet (S) is the wali of God par excellence.  I think this answer remains true for everyone despite what religion you follow.  Because the Christian follows Muhammad (S) through Christ (عليه السلام) and the Buddhists follow Muhammad (S) through the Buddha (عليه السلام).  The Muhammadan Shariah encompasses and contains all previous religions.  In fact the Prophet (S) contains everything within himself because he was sent as a mercy for all of existence.  He is the merciful womb (rhm) that contains the entire creation within himself.   He (S) was at the beginning even when Adam was between mud and clay (as a Hadith mentions), and he (S) is at the end.  The first of us is Muhammad, the Middle of us is Muhammad and the last of us is Muhammad (S) and everything in existence is Muhammad (S).

The same applies for Shias and Sunnis.  The Shias follow Muhammad (S) through the 12 infallibles.  

 

You have compared the Prophets of Islam: those, who uphold Tawheed, those that have been mentioned and those that have not been mentioned in the Qur'an, with a group of people who are non-theistic: Buddha and Buddhism.

You even have said, 'Alaysalam' after the title of Buddha. Are you serious?

 

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Because the Christian follows Muhammad (S) through Christ (عليه السلام) and the Buddhists follow Muhammad (S) through the Buddha

 

What do you mean?

You ought to explain yourself?

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On 5/19/2019 at 11:22 PM, ShiaMahamed said:

You have compared the Prophets of Islam: those, who uphold Tawheed, those that have been mentioned and those that have not been mentioned in the Qur'an, with a group of people who are non-theistic: Buddha and Buddhism.

You even have said, 'Alaysalam' after the title of Buddha. Are you serious?

I am serious. alhamdulillah.

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On 5/19/2019 at 11:22 PM, ShiaMahamed said:

You have compared the Prophets of Islam: those, who uphold Tawheed, those that have been mentioned and those that have not been mentioned in the Qur'an, with a group of people who are non-theistic: Buddha and Buddhism.

You even have said, 'Alaysalam' after the title of Buddha. Are you serious?

What do you mean?

You ought to explain yourself?

same here. please elaborate a little

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