Wearing 3imamah (turban)

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

I have seen old posts from before of some brothers asking about wearing a turban, at least for salah.

From the responses it appears to be recommended and of course a sunnah.

Not that I would wear one at a masjid (well maybe for Eid?) As I know we generally reserve them for scholars and marjas, but I think I'd like to wear one whilst praying at hone sometimes.

I have not worn a topi/kufi cap since I was a teen as well, I'd like to start re-wearing that when praying, it is a shame it is largely neglected by Shias, if we go by the understanding the Prophet saw's head was always covered especially in salah, why do we as men not cover our heads in modesty?

I have seen a few turbans wrapped around a hard kufi hat on etsy.

What do you guys think? Being non sayid I'd probably leave wearing a black one.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Propaganda_of_the_Deed

[Ralvi]

Yeah I agree with you there

I really like the green one, wonder if I could wear the black one. Technically yeah but I’m no scholar yet lol

[313_Waiter]

I like the green turban from above ^ 

A kufi would be nice and simple too for prayer

[Sirius_Bright]

Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and other Aimma (عليهم اسلام) used to cover their head (with turban/Amaamah) all the times and not just during prayers as other Arabs used to. It would have been a sunnah if they specifically wore at the time of prayers. 

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do we have any hadith regarding covering head while praying? 

[Qa'im]

Anyone know where we can buy something like that?

[SirajDin]

9 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Not that I would wear one at a masjid (well maybe for Eid?) As I know we generally reserve them for scholars and marjas, but I think I'd like to wear one whilst praying at hone sometimes.

I wonder what the basis is for that. To my knowledge, the Prophet and the Imams عليهم السلام did not dress differently from everyone else. All Muslims ought to participate in the Prophet's sunnah: so, on what basis, do we say that wearing turbans should be reserved for scholars only?

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

4 hours ago, Qa'im said:

Anyone know where we can buy something like that?

Search for Muslim or Islamic turban on Etsy. It looks like a lot are made from Turkey.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and other Aimma (عليهم اسلام) used to cover their head (with turban/Amaamah) all the times and not just during prayers as other Arabs used to. It would have been a sunnah if they specifically wore at the time of prayers. 

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do we have any hadith regarding covering head while praying? 

But many consider wearing of the thobe to be Sunnah, well I know Sunnis do, the Prophet saw did not exclusively wear it for salah either.

[Ibn Al-Shahid]

if it's at home, wear whatever colour you want. this whole idea that black is reserved for sayyed's is not found in hadith. this was probably something modern.

[Qa'im]

There is a hadith on Makarim al-Akhlaq on wearing a turban in salat:

الحسن بن الفضل الطبرسي في ( مكارم الأخلاق ) عن النبي ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) قال : ركعتان مع العمامة خير من أربع ركعات بغير عمامة . 

From the Prophet (s). He said: Two units with a turban is better than four units without a turban.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

That's settled then! 

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

 

8 hours ago, SirajDin said:

so, on what basis, do we say that wearing turbans should be reserved for scholars only?

I agree. I mean some Hanafi laymen from Indo-Pak and Sufis wear it. Not to mention Afghans and Sudanese and others.

I have actually sent a question to Sayid Sistani on permissability of wearing it and at a masjid, checked his site no one has previously asked about it.

InshaAllah will post the reply.

Edited March 8, 2019 by Propaganda_of_the_Deed

[realizm]

2 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

 

I agree. I mean some Hanafi laymen from Indo-Pak and Sufis wear it. Not to mention Afghans and Sudanese and others.

I have actually sent a question to Sayid Sistani on permissability of wearing it and at a masjid, checked his site no one has previously asked about it.

InshaAllah will post the reply.

Islam has become such an institution.

I wouldn't doubt that the sites of maraji` would not publish such questions just to avoid that anyone comes to the mosque wearing the apparel of the upper dini class...

Edited March 8, 2019 by realizm

[Ibn Al-Ja'abi]

On 3/7/2019 at 7:20 AM, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

From the responses it appears to be recommended and of course a sunnah.

 Not that I would wear one at a masjid (well maybe for Eid?) As I know we generally reserve them for scholars and marjas, but I think I'd like to wear one whilst praying at hone sometimes.

Salams,

I've recently been reading a rather interesting book called Arab Dress a Short History: From the Dawn of Islam to Modern Times in which there is also a discussion about the history and nature of turbans during the early Islamic period. The author argues that the turbans of the very early Islamic period would've often been a much simpler type than the ones you've shown made of a cloth simply wound around the head. The simple nature of the early turbans is evidenced by reports such as one where Abdullah b. Atik uses his turban to bandage his broken leg during an assassination. There are also traditions of it being wound around what is a generic cap called qalansuwa (the word itself is rather interesting, I'd imagine it is a native Arabic root but there is a similar Aramaic word קוֹלַס (Qōlwas -- refer to a dictionary entry on it) meaning a military helmet or turban which itself might have come from a Greek word κόρυς, korüs, meaning helmet). This style seems to be particularly popular in ahadith though God knows if such traditions are anachronistic or not, nevertheless summing up the traditions about turbans and the Prophet Ibn al-Qayyim is says, "وكان يلبسها يعني العمامة ويلبس تحتها القلنسوة، وكان يلبس القلنسوة بغير عمامة ويلبس العمامة بغير قلنسوة انتهى" (he would wear it, that is to say, the turban, and wear under it a cap, he would also wear a cap without a turban, and wear a turban without a cap). For a more detailed analysis of the history of Muslim clothing, you can refer to the excellent work I mentioned earlier, EI2's (Encyclopedia of Islam 2) articles on "Libas" (v.5) and on the "Tulband" (v.10).

I don't think it's just the Shias though who've stopped wearing turbans, the major Shii centers of the Arab Muslim world (Iraq and Hasa' really) seemed to have stopped wearing them anyways prior to the conversion of local populations to tashayyu. Many rural and bedouin Arabs started wearing the shmagh and 3iggal and I doubt the turban was a popular item of clothing anyways among those populations. According to various early reports and testimonies, both Muslim and non-Muslim, the Bedouin would appear to be naked to settled people, at most wearing an izar and rida' which they would drape over their shoulders and sometimes just a headband over their hair, or maybe even a cap, but no elaborate headdresses, this scantily clad style of clothing even continued in Southern Arabia till rather recently even though northern Bedouin would be adorned in robes. 

The pictures you posted depict a much later style as the qalansuwah were a tight fitting caps more akin to a kufi than those qalansuwah which seem to reflect a much later style, perhaps something from the later Umawi or Abbasid period, if not much later, additionally the way they're tightly wrapped seems to be a later practice rather than something which might have been done in the Prophet's own lifetime. If you really want to you can just use a shmagh/kafiyyah/ghutra and tie a turban with it, having the back part perhaps stick it to make a tahannuk.

What seem to be somewhat more historic dresses aren't the Saudi/Khaliji/Iraqi style of thawbs, rather the Sudanese and Egyptian style of thawbs and their turbans  (which till now remain a very common item of clothing among the rural people and older generations) -- though a kafiyah/shmagh style headdress seems to be attested early on as well.

والله أعلم

wassalam

Edited March 8, 2019 by Ibn Al-Ja'abi

[Hadeel]

From Sayyid Ali Al-Sistani: 

873. A number of things are Mustahab for the dress of a person who offers prayers. Some of these are: Turban, along with its final fold passed under the chin; loose garment on the shoulder ('Aba); white dress; and cleanest dress; use of perfume, and wearing an Aqeeq (Agate).

https://www.Sistani.org/english/book/48/2211/   

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Would be cool to wear on Eid day

Decent tutorial

 

[aaaz1618]

I wear one from time to time, sometimes wrapped around a cap like the Turkish style, sometimes just wrapped around my head, never done it the Maliki way of wrapping it under the chin though. I think you need loads of fabric to do it that way.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

32 minutes ago, aaaz1618 said:

I wear one from time to time, sometimes wrapped around a cap like the Turkish style, sometimes just wrapped around my head, never done it the Maliki way of wrapping it under the chin though. I think you need loads of fabric to do it that way.

Yeah that style is cool

 

Edited June 4, 2019 by Propaganda_of_the_Deed

[Guest doodle]

I would love for us to revive this Sunnah, but those already wearing Turbans (speakers) might be offended, especially the ones wearing black and who have made that into canon.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

7 minutes ago, Guest doodle said:

I would love for us to revive this Sunnah, but those already wearing Turbans (speakers) might be offended, especially the ones wearing black and who have made that into canon.

I think as long as it is not in "hawza" style like Najafi or Qomi it is fine. Otherwise would look like impersonating ulema which is problematic. 

The tail is also Sunnah

[Diaz]

Oh, since we are talking about the Sunnah of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)), I would love for someone to link me a link about it, I did not find it in any website. 

[Guest]

White would be good. Green is worn by Sufis I think and barelvis.

Edited June 4, 2019 by starlight

[Guest Doodle]

1 minute ago, starlight said:

White would be good. Green is worn by Sufis I think and barelvis.

How about red, like patchy red and white, to honour Azadari in every prayer?

Eid al-Fitr will be the 10th day anniversary of the martyrdom of Imam Ali (عليه السلام), and commemorated and mourned in some communities.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

2 minutes ago, starlight said:

White would be good. Green is worn by Sufis I think and barelvis.

Green is strongly associated with the Prophet and Ahlul Bayt though. One of the colours he would have worn. 

Traditionally before black, sayids wore green.

Apparently the Prophet wore black on the day of the futuhat of Makkah.

But yes white was the standard colour, if watching The Message taught me anything.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

17 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Oh, since we are talking about the Sunnah of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)), I would love for someone to link me a link about it, I did not find it in any website. 

Although a Sunni site, here are some narrations concerning the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) wearing the turban

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/126692/the-clothing-of-the-Prophet-blessings-and-peace-of-Allah-be-upon-him

From al-Islam:

He used to wear a cap under his turban and (sometimes) without a turban. At times he took off his cap and made it a covering before him and prayed towards it. At times, when he had no turban, he tied a black head-cloth over his head and forehead. He had a turban called al-Sahab (the cloud), which he gifted to ‘Ali (عليه السلام). At times ‘Ali (عليه السلام) went out wearing it, and the Noble Prophet (S) would say: “‘Ali comes to you in the cloud.”

https://www.al-Islam.org/sunan-an-nabi-Sayyid-Muhammad-husayn-tabatabai/chapter-5-adab-clothing-and-anything-pertaining-it

[Ashvazdanghe]

27 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I think as long as it is not in "hawza" style like Najafi or Qomi it is fine. Otherwise would look like impersonating ulema which is problematic. 

The tail is also Sunnah

There is no problem to wear Turban like them 

Easy way to prepare a Turban 

 

Shiite Turban 

 

 

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Guest Doodle said:

How about red, like patchy red and white, 

Would look like a keffiyeh

6 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

sayids wore green.

Yeah like this green syed shawl sold in Iraq.

I was in Najaf and it was unusually cold so instead going back to my hotel room to bring my shawl I bought this and draped it over me. After that I was  stopped by a number of women on my way to the harram who asked me to pray for them. I couldn't understand what was going on until another Arab woman grabbed me by the arm me,requested to do duas for her and then for good measure tied a knot on one end of my 'syed scarf' ;) 

I won't pretend I didn't enjoy all the importance.

[Ashvazdanghe]

31 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I think as long as it is not in "hawza" style like Najafi or Qomi it is fine. Otherwise would look like impersonating ulema which is problematic. 

The tail is also Sunnah

There is no problem to wear Turban like them 

Easy way to prepare a Turban 

 

Shiite Turban 

 

 

 

[Diaz]

3 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Although a Sunni site, here are some narrations concerning the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) wearing the turban

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/126692/the-clothing-of-the-Prophet-blessings-and-peace-of-Allah-be-upon-him

From al-Islam:

 

 

https://www.al-Islam.org/sunan-an-nabi-Sayyid-Muhammad-husayn-tabatabai/chapter-5-adab-clothing-and-anything-pertaining-it

I prefer reading from al Islam, thanks. 

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Can anyone post the Shia narration of the merits of praying with 3imamah being worth 70 times more than without? I have seen it in Sunni ones too

[Guest Bias]

Just now, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Can anyone post the Shia narration of the merits of praying with 3imamah being worth 70 times more than without? I have seen it in Sunni ones too

Were there any 3Imamah sellers in the chain of narrations of that Hadith?

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

I prefer reading from al Islam, thanks. 

 

58 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Can anyone post the Shia narration of the merits of praying with 3imamah being worth 70 times more than without? I have seen it in Sunni ones too

3. In al-Khisal: From Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Abi ‘Abdillah al-Barqi in his narration from Abi ‘Abdillah (عليه السلام) who said: The Holy Prophet (S) used to dislike black except in three things: the turban, the shoes and the cloak.29

https://www.al-Islam.org/sunan-an-nabi-Sayyid-Muhammad-husayn-tabatabai/chapter-5-adab-clothing-and-anything-pertaining-it

Shaykh Muhammad Hasan Najafi, the author of Jawaher al-Kalam also says: "I did not locate any traditions regarding the desirability of wearing taht al-hanak   during prayers. Indeed, there are many narrations which recommend wearing taht al-hanak under all circumstances. Obviously, prayer is also one of those circumstances [in which one can wear taht al-hanak]."[2

 

Imam Kazim (a) said:

 

"I promise a person, who wears a turban on a journey and hangs its taht al-hanak, three things: he will not be robbed of his property by a thief, he will not drown and will not burn."[3]

 

Imam Sadiq (a) says: "I am surprised about how it may be possible for someone not to get his wish fulfilled, he who embarks on a task or starts doing it while he is wearing a turban and taht al-hanak."[4]

https://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa13882

Edited June 4, 2019 by Ashvazdanghe

[Vindemiatrix]

On 3/7/2019 at 12:20 PM, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I have seen old posts from before of some brothers asking about wearing a turban, at least for salah.

From the responses it appears to be recommended and of course a sunnah.

Not that I would wear one at a masjid (well maybe for Eid?) As I know we generally reserve them for scholars and marjas, but I think I'd like to wear one whilst praying at hone sometimes.

I have not worn a topi/kufi cap since I was a teen as well, I'd like to start re-wearing that when praying, it is a shame it is largely neglected by Shias, if we go by the understanding the Prophet saw's head was always covered especially in salah, why do we as men not cover our heads in modesty?

I have seen a few turbans wrapped around a hard kufi hat on etsy.

What do you guys think? Being non sayid I'd probably leave wearing a black one.

I always thought that wearing the turban was a cultural thing. Because some maulanas from Pakistan just west that hat thingy... 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

Is blue okay to wear for a turban?

[aaaz1618]

6 hours ago, starlight said:

White would be good. Green is worn by Sufis I think and barelvis.

Orange is also worn by Dawat-e-Islam I think. Go Go Power Sufi