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Did Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) set fire to female couple?

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Came across this narration deemed authentic, granted it was from an anti site, but had references, just wanted to ask if anyone else is familiar? Also I thought the use of fire as punishment was prohibited?

The same narration mentions 2 homosexual males were also beheaded, including a child.

Tahdhib Al-Ahkam by Tusi, v. 10, p. 54

تهذيب الأحكام – الشيخ الطوسي – ج ١٠ – الصفحة ٥٤
(199) 8 – محمد بن علي بن محبوب عن بنان بن محمد عن العباس غلام لأبي الحسن الرضا عليه السلام يعرف بغلام ابن شراعة عن الحسن بن الربيع عن سيف التمار عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: اتي علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام برجل معه غلام يأتيه وقامت عليهما بذلك البينة فقال: يا قنبر النطع والسيف ثم أمر بالرجل فوضع على وجهه ووضع الغلام على وجهه ثم امر بهما فضربهما بالسيف حتى قدهما بالسيف جميعا، قال: واتي أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بامرأتينوجدتا في لحاف واحد وقامت عليهما البينة انهما كانتا تتساحقان فدعا بالنطع ثم امر بهما فأحرقتا بالنار

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[…] Abi Abdillah (Ja’far Al-Sadiq), peace be upon him, said: “A man who used to have sexual intercourse with a young boy was brought to ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib, peace be upon him,  both were charged with evidences. ‘Ali then prepared both for the execution, he asked for the execution mat and his sword, making the man and young boy face the ground, then he stroke both of their necks.

He (Ja’far Al-Sadiq) said: “Two womenwere brought to the Chief of the Believers (‘Ali), peace be upon him, they were caught under one bed sheet and were charged with evidence. They were indulging in homosexual (lesbian) acts, so ‘Ali asked for the execution mat, placed them on it and burnt them to death.”

Majlisi authenticated the narration in his Raudah Al-Muttaqin (Sharh of Man la Yahduruhu Al-Faqih)

 

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I know he (عليه السلام) can chip off hands, tongues 

etc I’ve never heard of burning alive. But then again Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) did set a town on fire(right?)

Don’t know about the kid. 

honestly we need to our own resource. Things are fabricated all the time

honestly, I can’t have an opinion unless some proof comes forward 

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The example of the nation of Lut AS has been mentioned in Qur'an for this crime and its punishment by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى):

Surah Al-‘A’raf, Verses 80 - 81

وَلُوطًا إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِ أَتَأْتُونَ الْفَاحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُم بِهَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن الْعَالَمِينَ

إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مِّن دُونِ النِّسَاء بَلْ أَنتُمْ قَوْمٌ مُّسْرِفُونَ

80. "And (We sent) Lut when he said to his people: 'What! Do you commit an indecency which none in the world has ever done before you? '

81. "Verily you come to men in lust instead of women! Nay, you are an extravagant people."

Surah Al-‘A’raf, Verse 82

وَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهِ إِلاَّ أَن قَالُواْ أَخْرِجُوهُم مِّن قَرْيَتِكُمْ إِنَّهُمْ أُنَاسٌ يَتَطَهَّرُونَ

82. "And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: 'Expel them from your town; verily they are a people (who seek) to purify (themselves) '."

Surah Al-‘A’raf, Verse 83

فَأَنجَيْنَاهُ وَأَهْلَهُ إِلاَّ امْرَأَتَهُ كَانَتْ مِنَ الْغَابِرِينَ

83. "So We delivered him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the ashes of punishment)."

Surah Al-‘A’raf, Verse 84

وَأَمْطَرْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّطَرًا فَانظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُجْرِمِينَ

84. "And We rained down on them a rain (of punishment). Consider then how the end of the guilty was!"

In Islam, the retribution of homosexuality and sodomy is execution, whether for the active sodomy or the passive sodomy. As a tradition narrated from Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) denotes, at the moment of performing homosexuality the throne of Heaven shakes and on Resurrection Day its doer will be mustered in a state of major ritual impurity. The one will be involved in the Wrath of Allah and will be abide in Hell.4

https://www.al-Islam.org/enlightening-commentary-light-holy-Qur'an-vol-5/section-10-ministries-salih-and-lut

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8 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Came across this narration deemed authentic, granted it was from an anti site, but had references, just wanted to ask if anyone else is familiar? Also I thought the use of fire as punishment was prohibited?

The same narration mentions 2 homosexual males were also beheaded, including a child.

Tahdhib Al-Ahkam by Tusi, v. 10, p. 54

تهذيب الأحكام – الشيخ الطوسي – ج ١٠ – الصفحة ٥٤
(199) 8 – محمد بن علي بن محبوب عن بنان بن محمد عن العباس غلام لأبي الحسن الرضا عليه السلام يعرف بغلام ابن شراعة عن الحسن بن الربيع عن سيف التمار عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: اتي علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام برجل معه غلام يأتيه وقامت عليهما بذلك البينة فقال: يا قنبر النطع والسيف ثم أمر بالرجل فوضع على وجهه ووضع الغلام على وجهه ثم امر بهما فضربهما بالسيف حتى قدهما بالسيف جميعا، قال: واتي أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بامرأتينوجدتا في لحاف واحد وقامت عليهما البينة انهما كانتا تتساحقان فدعا بالنطع ثم امر بهما فأحرقتا بالنار

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[…] Abi Abdillah (Ja’far Al-Sadiq), peace be upon him, said: “A man who used to have sexual intercourse with a young boy was brought to ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib, peace be upon him,  both were charged with evidences. ‘Ali then prepared both for the execution, he asked for the execution mat and his sword, making the man and young boy face the ground, then he stroke both of their necks.

He (Ja’far Al-Sadiq) said: “Two womenwere brought to the Chief of the Believers (‘Ali), peace be upon him, they were caught under one bed sheet and were charged with evidence. They were indulging in homosexual (lesbian) acts, so ‘Ali asked for the execution mat, placed them on it and burnt them to death.”

Majlisi authenticated the narration in his Raudah Al-Muttaqin (Sharh of Man la Yahduruhu Al-Faqih)

 

Burning to death is a legitimate punishment in Shi'I Fiqh for males who have been convicted of sodomy.

As for lesbianism, although the hadith seems to indicate that is the case, I haven't seen a jurist accept it as a punishment.

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40 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Burning to death is a legitimate punishment in Shi'I Fiqh for males who have been convicted of sodomy.

Wow had no idea, pretty brutal. The criticisms of Daesh chucking gays off buildings kind of seems tame in comparison to be honest. Generally Shi'ism is rather progressive compared to Salafism. But punishments are a serious matter I guess

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Here is a Hadith I found in the website of a local mosque which demonstrates that burning was the most severe punishment however Imam Ali as forgives the offender in this case

Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام)) narrated: “A man appeared before Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) while he was with his companions, confessing: O Amirul-Mo’meneen I have slept with aboy (I.e homosexuality), please purify me. The Imam said to him: Go back home, I’m afraid you have lost your sanity. The next day the same man appeared before the Imam with the same confession, and Imam gave him the same reply. It was until when he appeared before the Imam for the fourth time that the Imam replied: How would you like to be punished? The man said: in the most severe way. The Imam said: that is to burn by fire. He said: I choose that. He then offered two Rak’at prayers and in his Qonoot said: “O Allah! I’ve committed a capital sin and I am concerned about its consequences. O Allah! I came to the successor and the cousin of your Prophet to purify me, and I’ve chosen the most severe punishment. O Allah! I beg you to access this as my retribution and do not burn me in the Hell-Fire in the hereafter. He then finished his prayer and stepped into the punishing pitch while he was crying. Observing the scene ImamAli ((عليه السلام)) and his companions were all in tears. Then the Imam said to the man: Come out! Indeed you made the angels of heaven and Earth cry for you. Lo! Allah has forgiven you, but never do such things again.” (al-Kaafi 7:202).

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Salam the narration comes after the narration that @shia_100 posted above no.198 is his post & no.199 is first post 

20 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Majlisi authenticated the narration in his Raudah Al-Muttaqin (Sharh of Man la Yahduruhu Al-Faqih)

but I don't find any relation to Sharh of Man la Yahduruhu Al-Faqih

also this punishment only can done by infallible Imam that has government as this sin was done by people after Imam Ali (عليه السلام) in time that Imams were between people but they don't punish people because they weren't rulers & other rulers & kings didn't punish it that grand Judge of Mamun (la) according to Sunni sources was a famous person for committing this sin that lead Mamun to tis sin too that in our time only Imam Mahdi (aj) can does this punishment after establishing his governance 

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1170_تهذيب-الأحكام-الشيخ-الطوسي-ج-١٠/الصفحة_54#top

no 6(823)

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1160_الاستبصار-ج-٤/الصفحة_0?pageno=220#top

http://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa71230

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19 hours ago, Ralvi said:

I know he (عليه السلام) can chip off hands, tongues 

etc I’ve never heard of burning alive. But then again Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) did set a town on fire(right?)

Don’t know about the kid. 

honestly we need to our own resource. Things are fabricated all the time

honestly, I can’t have an opinion unless some proof comes forward 

he didn't burn alive person but there is a narration that h burned beheaded dead body of person that claimed he is God & didn't repent by his direct order that relates to ibn Saba story that in some narrations he was a Ghali that him & his followers burned after beheading by Imam Ali (عليه السلام)

https://www.valiasr-aj.com/persian/shownews.php?idnews=7480

http://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa57700

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Hadiths like these are taking the people out of the fold of Islam and such narrations are quoted by many in the western world to shun away people from Islam and make them believe that Islamic Sharia is some barbaric code of law.

Once we know that some people are genetically prone to homosexuality , who can justify such a barbaric stone age punishment inflicted upon a couple for just being homosexual? I wonder what was going in minds of the Hadithists when they were penning down such narrations and those who were "authenticating" them down the line.

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32 minutes ago, Leibniz said:

Hadiths like these are taking the people out of the fold of Islam and such narrations are quoted by many in the western world to shun away people from Islam and make them believe that Islamic Sharia is some barbaric code of law.

Once we know that some people are genetically prone to homosexuality , who can justify such a barbaric stone age punishment inflicted upon a couple for just being homosexual? I wonder what was going in minds of the Hadithists when they were penning down such narrations and those who were "authenticating" them down the line.

I agree, we see many Shias proudly distancing and dustinguishing from the likes of IS who spawned from Salafism.

One of the arguments in supporting Assad in Syria for example was to prevent the barbarism and brutal rule of IS, much of their Shariah implementation being widely criticised and giving Islam a bad name, they literally tied people (not disimilar to Ayatollah Khoei's description quoted earlier) to a chair and chucked them off buildings.

In a true Islamic state according to Shi'I fiqh, would gays face the same consequences as IS who everyone says are extremists?

Also the beheading of the child seems harsh if true and I always believed Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was known for justice, so not quite sure how I feel about that.

That being said, I am not one of these liberals who stand for lgbtxyz and whatever else is out there, but just personally think a death penalty is a bit harsh.

Allah knows best of course

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

but I don't find any relation to Sharh of Man la Yahduruhu Al-Faqih

 

Not sure if I should post the link as it is an anti Shia site but they post a lot of scans from prominent Shia literature, at the end of the article is a scan from that book apparently authenticating the narration. Not sure how legit.

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

but I don't find any relation to Sharh of Man la Yahduruhu Al-Faqih

There are many hadith on the subject where the punishment of Sodomy (men) &  that of Sehaq (women) has been detailed on the basis of the severity / categorization including the lashes and killing like adultery

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1598_جامع-أحاديث-الشيعة-السيد-البروجردي-ج-٢٥/الصفحة_444#top

However the grading of the hadith is not mentioned in this collection.

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12 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

brother - Sodom and Gomorah...way before Islam and even Christianity

Yes of course brother I remember now.

I know the story of Sodom and Gomorah very well. I used to do some acting work. I played a role of one of two messengers that brought the message of gods wrath on the city in a television documentary about Sodom and Gomorah.

I am not so familiar with other stories from the bible but that one was an interesting way of learning. 

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I think one has to understand the wisdom behind such punishments as demonstrated through hadiths, the Prophet and Imams (peace and blessings be upon them all) were merciful towards these offenders possibly meaning that these punishments rather act as deterrents AND also something very curious is that someone who commits murder can be forgiven by the family of the victim and he would not be punished for it then why wouldn’t Allah the Most Merciful forgive someone who commits a less severe sin than murder such as a homosexual act

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3 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Also the beheading of the child seems harsh if true and I always believed Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was known for justice, so not quite sure how I feel about that.

We do have the example of Khidr [a] slaying a child in the Qur'an, a preemptive strike, because of what the child was going to grow up and do.

That's punishment before the crime was even committed. Quite the eye brow raiser. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) works in mysterious ways. Whatever He does is just.

I agree the punishments are brutal. There I was brought up being taught that a single strike beheading is how it's done to make it as painless as possible. Perhaps the more a criminal suffers here, the lesser the punishment up there, where the punishment is deadly.

You'd think, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) the Most Merciful, can punish with such severity? An eternal burning in the Flame. Such is the recompense for one's earnings.

*Shudders*

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3 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I agree, we see many Shias proudly distancing and dustinguishing from the likes of IS who spawned from Salafism.

One of the arguments in supporting Assad in Syria for example was to prevent the barbarism and brutal rule of IS, much of their Shariah implementation being widely criticised and giving Islam a bad name, they literally tied people (not disimilar to Ayatollah Khoei's description quoted earlier) to a chair and chucked them off buildings.

In a true Islamic state according to Shi'I fiqh, would gays face the same consequences as IS who everyone says are extremists?

Also the beheading of the child seems harsh if true and I always believed Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was known for justice, so not quite sure how I feel about that.

That being said, I am not one of these liberals who stand for lgbtxyz and whatever else is out there, but just personally think a death penalty is a bit harsh.

Allah knows best of course

Bismehe Ta3ala,

Brother PD

Assalam Alikum.

What is the problem of the punishment?  Don't you think a person who committed a grave sin would rather be punished in dunya instead of akheera?  

Many times Imam Ali would turn away the person who came to him and they would say to him to cleanse them of their sins, he would turn them away and say to leave.  When people are insistent of the sin they committed over three times, he implements the punishment.  

I always ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to punish me in the dunya instead of taking the sins with me to akheera.  I'd rather face the burns of dunya instead of hell, that's a no brainer for me.

We need to do constant Istigfar, and to frequently ask for forgiveness from the sins we know we committed, forgotten, or didn't pay attention or realized we were sinning.

What will you call the Imam of your Time, are you going to call him an extremist too if he implements God's laws?  Please be careful how you are stating your words brother, if you don't know something say I don't know and I would rather not say something to displease Allah, Rasoul Allah or my Imams.

The sin of homosexuality is a grave sin.  It should not be taken lightly or to encourage others to practice this sin publicly.

You have this freak of nature, Freddie Mercury who is getting recent attention by Rami Malek's role and receiving Best Actor in the Oscars.  Please don't think that a first generation American from Egypt happened to receive this award by accident.  This was done intentionally.  They are trying to make homosexuality in our region acceptable like it is in West.  We don't want this filth openly infested in our countries.


 

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 “Thank you, Queen. Thank you, guys, for allowing me to be the tiniest part of your phenomenal, extraordinary legacy. I am forever in your debt . . . I may not have been the obvious choice, but I guess it worked out . . . My crew and my cast, I love you. You are my equals. You are my betters . . . To anyone struggling with [their identity] and trying to discover their voice. Listen, we made a film about a gay man, an immigrant . . . We’re longing for stories like this. I am the son of immigrants from Egypt. I’m a first-generation American. Part of my story is being written right now.”


 

 

Not even a significant awards-season scandal could stop Malek. The day after the actor was nominated for an Oscar, The Atlantic published a massive and damning piece on Bohemian Rhapsody director Bryan Singer, which allegedly corroborated long-gestating rumors about Singer’s relationships with underage boys. Singer has denied the allegations. Initially, Malek and his cohort tried to ignore the Singer issue on the circuit, neglecting to thank the director in their acceptance speeches and declining to discuss him at the Golden Globes. That strategy was undermined by Singer’s own social media, when the director took credit for Rhapsody’s big night at the Golden Globes.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/oscars-2019-rami-malek-wins-best-actor-speech-bryan-singer

Millions of people tuned in to the Oscars to see “Bohemian Rhapsody,” the biopic of Queen frontman Freddie Mercury, compete for best picture, which “Green Book” ended up winning.

There were a lot of people cheering against “Bohemian Rhapsody.” The film has been dogged by accusations of homophobia, and the film’s director, Bryan Singer, was accused of rape and sexual abuse.

But as a gay historian, I keep coming back to something else – the tragic history that’s glaringly absent from this movie.

Mercury, along with all the other men and women who tested positive for HIV in the 1980s, was a victim not just of a pandemic but of the failures of his own governments and of the scorn of his fellow citizens. The laughable initial response to the HIV pandemic helped seal Mercury’s fate.

None of that is in the movie.

https://theprint.in/culture/the-freddie-mercury-story-that-goes-untold-in-bohemian-rhapsody/200145/

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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18 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

Not sure if I should post the link as it is an anti Shia site but they post a lot of scans from prominent Shia literature, at the end of the article is a scan from that book apparently authenticating the narration. Not sure how legit.

Salam they point on issues that abandoned or doesn't practice in Shia fiqh from time of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) because these type of ruling only can be done by an infallible Imam (عليه السلام) that has governance in his hands & can judges people based on their divine knowledge that can read minds & hearts of people than judges them that only happened by Prophet Davood (David) (عليه السلام) & one time happened with Prophet Khidr (عليه السلام) that Prophet Musa (عليه السلام) can't handle it even Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was judging based on evidences although he could read minds & hearts of people that this type of judgment will revive after reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) that he & his judges will judge based on reading minds & hearts of people that they won't need evidence but their judgment are completely flawless & will accept by all people but also the anti Shia sites ignore the stories before it that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was providing ways for forgiving people but their muftis in KSA (Hijaz) & ISIS  behead & crucify & burn people for matters that is not defined as sin in Islam.

18 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

I agree, we see many Shias proudly distancing and dustinguishing from the likes of IS who spawned from Salafism.

One of the arguments in supporting Assad in Syria for example was to prevent the barbarism and brutal rule of IS, much of their Shariah implementation being widely criticised and giving Islam a bad name, they literally tied people (not disimilar to Ayatollah Khoei's description quoted earlier) to a chair and chucked them off buildings.

In a true Islamic state according to Shi'I fiqh, would gays face the same consequences as IS who everyone says are extremists?

Also the beheading of the child seems harsh if true and I always believed Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was known for justice, so not quite sure how I feel about that.

That being said, I am not one of these liberals who stand for lgbtxyz and whatever else is out there, but just personally think a death penalty is a bit harsh.

Allah knows best of course

the practices of ISIS & Salafism are coming from ignorance time & jewish sources that don't have any connection to Islam but they portrayed it as Shariah to make people away from Islam 

"In a true Islamic state according to Shi'I fiqh" people only judge based on their actions not their intention ,being a gay is not a sin but committing homosexuality is a grave sin 

the term of "غلام" here refers to a teenager that becomes mature enough after 15 that clearly knows right & wrong I never read or see that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) punished a child it's just an bad translation that translated to child 

death penalty is last choice in Islam but people are yelling for death penalty there is many stories in Sunni sources that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) prevented from doing many death penalties by second caliph but anti Shia sites just focus on a tradition that is has a strong base to condemn Shias but they praise second caliph for his rude behavior & doing extreme harsh punishments specially against women 

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Anybody can paint anything Islamic with their own colors of narrow prejudices and preferences. The matter of fact is this: in Islam, you love the creation for the sake of Allah, and you dislike the creation for the sake Allah. 

Here are more one liners for your next posts!

Did Prophet Muhammad (sawaw) order all men of a rebellious tribe in Medina to be beheaded?

Did Prophet Muhammad’s grandfather invite the wrath of Allah on the elepalhant army so all thousand of them would be smashed into shreds?

Did Prophet Suleman (عليه السلام) order all of his SLAVE Humans and Djins to toil in building him new cities and towns?

Did Prophet David (عليه السلام) kill rebellious giants and left them to be eaten by worms and birds?

Did Prophet Lut (عليه السلام) move out of his town, ‘silently so others won’t be spared’ before God destroyed the whole town by crushing each one of them?

Did Prophet Noah (عليه السلام) board the Ship leaving everybody else to die by painful death of drowning?

 

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@AMR5 Mate you need to relax.

There is no harm in asking questions, rather than burying seemingly umcomfortable events as may be perceived by non-Muslims or non Shia or shutting down discussion altogether.

Another sect chooses to sweep things under the rug.

At the very least others have found out about various punishments for this according to our fiqh who did not know otherwise.

Admins - you can close the thread if you see fit.

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Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum Brother PD

Please do continue to ask questions.  There are many other people who are thinking the same way, but Alhamd'Allah you go a step further and ask.  

If I came off as harsh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to communicate in such a way.  

God reward you for asking about the punishments in Islam.

M3 Salamah, Fe Amin Allah 

 

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3 hours ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

@AMR5 Mate you need to relax.

There is no harm in asking questions, rather than burying seemingly umcomfortable events as may be perceived by non-Muslims or non Shia or shutting down discussion altogether.

Another sect chooses to sweep things under the rug.

At the very least others have found out about various punishments for this according to our fiqh who did not know otherwise.

Admins - you can close the thread if you see fit.

Thanks for mentioning this. But the intents could be interpreted in any which way once things are asked without mentioning a word of context, and of feeding into the popular currents riding the anti-Islam wave.

Any balanced post (where intention is learning or educating, rather than anything but), would include something like this as well. 

Islamic Penal Law - Criteria for Implementation 

https://www.al-Islam.org/rights-prisoners-Islamic-teachings-Sayyid-Muhammad-Sadiq-al-shirazi/chapter-3-Islamic-penal-law

Your title (the way it is read) is same as calling any country’s ‘capital punishment’ a murder, a ‘jail-time’ as throwing in dungeon, a ‘community service’ a forced labor, a ‘monetary fine’ as extortion, a ‘traffic-toll’ a travel tax, and on and on. 

Its all about context and how the thread is titled (framed) in what day and age. Your wordings are ‘framing’ and the first post are self explanatory, and are inviting interprations, one of which I inferred. 

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40 minutes ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

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Food for thought: Now for a moment imagine Imam Ali (عليه السلام) read your post and the one closing the door is him. You could well guess who would be the guy on the other end.

This is why, as has been mentioned by so many wiser members of the forum in this post (read above), one needs to be careful of their wording and what they are portraying lest their words become the fodder for others!!! Enough said..

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On 3/4/2019 at 9:42 PM, Abu Nur said:

 

Homosexual is not a punishable but doing the sexual act is. The severe sin the more severe punishment, this severity is meant for the ummah to take very seriously so the act can't spread to masses.

What is so reprehensible about a consensual sexual act that he/she be burnt to death? What you are saying is like saying that a person prone to sinistrality is not punishable but his act of writing with the left hand (to which he is neurologically prone to) is punishable.

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