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What should be done to the ISIS brides Hoda Muthana and Shamima Begum?

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Its really the sitation regarding their children that has me in a quandry. They are innocent of any crimes their parents committed and as such need to be a primary concern when judging their Mothers.

If the Mothers are found guilty enough of warranting the death penalty, then great care must be taken for whom the children end up with. I'm not talking about a random orphanage. Those children should be made to be examples of how the children of a villain can be raised to be the most pious and loving Muslims.

I hope those children are raised the way Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr was raised. An example of how a person regardless of their parentage can become a pious and honorable example for others to follow.

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Revoking citizenship may be a dangerous precedent. But these are no doubt terrorists, responsible mainly for the deaths of Muslims - classic mufsideena fil ard - they’re lucky to live anywhere, let alone in the West.

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I know less about these cases in particular than the ones we've had in Canada, so feel to take my words with a grain of salt. But the image of bloodthirsty, psychopathic terrorists reared by ISIS trying to return to the civilised West to further torment its citizens is—by and large—a manufactured one. These two women aside, in the majority of cases the 'terrorists' are themselves victims of terrorist groups, whether through actual physical or emotional abuse that caused them to flee Syria or through their indoctrination at the hands of a media-savvy, globally visible organisation. Most of the times it's the former, and the 'terrorists' have no wish to be associated with the ideologies ISIS promoted any longer.

These facts aside, the more important consideration in this matter is not the crimes these handful of individuals may or may not have committed, but rather the narrative that instrumentalizes this issue. The larger paradigm that is being constructed is that of the Islamic World as the illiberal other to which the violence of the liberal West is justified. It's through this logic that mass murderers of the Muslim variety can have their citizenship stripped from them so that they can rot in some Muslim country, where their illiberalism will the norm, anyway. If some other, more conventionally Western, individual engages in mass murder, there is no need for a reactionary backlash when they're given due process and a fair trail.

Edited by Don'tMakeA١٠١س

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On 3/5/2019 at 7:35 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam 

Shamima Begum: Dutch husband wants to take teenager to Netherlands
Detained Isis fighter Yago Riedijk says it was her ‘own choice’ to marry him aged 15

The Dutch husband of Shamima Begum, the teenager who fled the United Kingdom to join Isis, has said he wants to return to the Netherlands with his wife and newborn son.

Speaking to the BBC, Yago Riedijk, 27, said he rejected Islamic State, who reportedly tortured him on suspicion of being a Dutch spy.

He admitted to fighting for Isis and may face a six-year jail sentence if he returns to the Netherlands.

Riedijk is being held in a Kurdish-run detention center in northern Syria. Begum and Riedijk are said to have fled Baghuz, Isis’s last foothold in eastern Syria as it lost territory in recent months.

https://www.theguardian.com/United Kingdom-news/2019/mar/03/shamima-begum-dutch-husband-wants-to-take-teenager-to-netherlands

As they have must have done crimes of extreme nature on foreign land; they can be put behind bars under terrorism act

Edited by Zulfiqar1472

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1 hour ago, Propaganda_of_the_Deed said:

It should not change her situation to not allow to come back. Or let her be free if they allow her to come back. 

Edited by Abu Nur

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I think she should only be allowed back if she publicly renounces her allegiance to Da'ish and exposes any information she may have about them publically. If she does that, then she should be allowed back and given her full rights of citizenship in the United Kingdom.  Doing this will help those in the future who may be misguided by such terrorist groups. 

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I also wanted to add that if they committed crimes (like murder, theft, etc) in the process of them being involved with Da'esh, then they should be prosecuted and these should be dealt with as a criminal case, outside of the fact of their allegiance to Dai'sh and travel to the theater of battle. But most likely these crimes took place outside of the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom legal system. So then they could be extradited to the country where the crimes occurred and be prosecuted there. If they are found guilty, then they would have to endure the punishment according to the laws of that country. If they are found innocent, or after serving their jail sentence, then they should be returned to the United Kingdom after fulfilling the condition I said in my first post. 

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