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Why non Muslim usually convert to Sunni Islam than Shia Islam

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The Islam is most rapidly growing religion.The non Muslims convert to Sunni version of Islam more than Shia Islam.

Definitely these coverting people don't have grudge with Shia Islam as some ignorant may think.

As Shia believe their version is true and more logical then most of non Muslim should convert to Shia Islam.

But in reality they convert to Sunni version.

Why so?

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The reason is quite simple. Sunnis outnumber us by a huge margin in terms of population. So, whenever someone converts from non-Muslim to Muslim, they come across Sunnis most the time.  But those

Sunnis are more active in dawah. I live in Europe so can't speak for anywhere else.

The Shia dawah of taking off their shirts and beating their chests in the middle of the streets is not very effective. Rather it is counter productive as most people see this and want to distance them

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You are right, I think it’s mostly due to Shia don’t have many organized dawa projects in the West. It’s partly due to the resources and the lack of numbers we have. Shia are less than half a million in the United States, in the total population of 320 million.

Although many converted Sunnis who don’t stop their research eventually turn to Shia Islam. Many revert momineen here could testify to this. 

I’ve witnessed many reverts reverting further into Shia Islam by the YouTube videos of Ammar Nakshwani. He has been the single most YouTube influencer among all the Shia lecturers on YT (may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless him for it).

Based on anecdotal evidence, Shiite Encyclopedia, a partial byproduct of ShiaChat also has a huge impact on Shia conversions among reverts.

Overall we Shia need to be smarter in our dawa to offset our lack of resources and numbers. YouTube and Amazon are the biggest channels to bring people towards Shia Islam. We need to inundate Youtube and Amazon and other resources with Shia presentations, written books, articles, and journals. Amazon is the third largest search engine after Google and Yahoo / MSN. YouTube being in the top five.

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6 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

The reason is quite simple. Sunnis outnumber us by a huge margin in terms of population. So, whenever someone converts from non-Muslim to Muslim, they come across Sunnis most the time. 

But those who are actually searching for truth does becomes Shia. We have many examples even in this small Shiachat world. 

So mean those who get concerted to Sunni Islam are not in search of truth'.

Or they don't got encounter with truth'.

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On 2/6/2019 at 9:02 AM, AMR5 said:

You are right, I think it’s mostly due to Shia don’t have many organized dawa projects in the West. It’s partly due to the resources and the lack of numbers we have. Shia are less than half a million in the United States, in the total population of 320 million.

Although many converted Sunnis who don’t stop their research eventually turn to Shia Islam. Many revert momineen here could testify to this. 

I’ve witnessed many reverts reverting further into Shia Islam by the YouTube videos of Ammar Nakshwani. He has been the single most YouTube influencer among all the Shia lecturers on YT (may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless him for it).

Based on anecdotal evidence, Shiite Encyclopedia, a partial byproduct of ShiaChat also has a huge impact on Shia conversions among reverts.

Overall we Shia need to be smarter in our dawa to offset our lack of resources and numbers. YouTube and Amazon are the biggest channels to bring people towards Shia Islam. We need to inundate Youtube and Amazon and other resources with Shia presentations, written books, articles, and journals. Amazon is the third largest search engine after Google and Yahoo / MSN. YouTube being in the top five.

Yes Shia don't have organised system for inviting to Islam.

And it need to be addressed.

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7 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

Yes Shia don't have organised system for inviting to Islam.

And it need to be addressed.

Completely agree. And let’s don’t wait for others to start it. Let’s do. We can create our own blogs, channels on YouTube, scribe the Muharram lectures and publish them on Amazon. We as layperson Shi’a could do a lot in smart dawa. 

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18 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

So mean those who get concerted to Sunni Islam are not in search of truth'.

They are in search of truth but since there are more Sunnis, more often than not they assume that to be the correct mazhab. However, there are many, who after reverting to Muslim, go deep and search for the correct path within Muslim.

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7 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

They are in search of truth but since there are more Sunnis, more often than not they assume that to be the correct mazhab. However, there are many, who after reverting to Muslim, go deep and search for the correct path within Muslim.

It is there mistake.Because they are ignorants. Because it difficult to search sect by sect to confirm reality.

Yes Shias should help them in reaching reality.

At least Sunni are active in doing Dawah.But unfortunately Shia are not so active in this field.

And don't think that those who reached to Sunni Islam are not guided.Because they used their effort and reached to to conclusion of accepting Islam.

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2 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

And don't think that those who reached to Sunni Islam are not guided.Because they used their effort and reached to to conclusion of accepting Islam.

Those who didn't make it to Shia Islam are misguided. Period. 

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20 minutes ago, AMR5 said:

Completely agree. And let’s don’t wait for others to start it. Let’s do. We can create our own blogs, channels on YouTube, scribe the Muharram lectures and publish them on Amazon. We as layperson Shi’a could do a lot in smart dawa. 

Yes that is true.

But it needs a smart mind collect lectures that more logical and inviting intellectually appealing.

Not those lectures which are spreading more of venum and hatred.

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28 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

However, there are many, who after reverting to Muslim, go deep and search for the correct path within Muslim.

MashAllah, we have some excellent and pious Reverts on this forum (I don't like using the term Revert personally, I just simply consider them as my Shia brothers and sisters regardless of when or how they found Shia Islam). Their knowledge levels and Iman are exceptional as well as their search for more knowledge. 

Perhaps some of them could share their stories here as an inspiration to those of us that were "born" into the religion and just take things for granted with a level of malaise towards the practices of Islam.

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4 minutes ago, Akbar673 said:

MashAllah, we have some excellent and pious Reverts on this forum (I don't like using the term Revert personally, I just simply consider them as my Shia brothers and sisters regardless of when or how they found Shia Islam). Their knowledge levels and Iman are exceptional as well as their search for more knowledge. 

Perhaps some of them could share their stories here as an inspiration to those of us that were "born" into the religion and just take things for granted with a level of malaise towards the practices of Islam.

It needs more than that'.And particularly we'll organised.

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7 minutes ago, 786:) said:

The Shia dawah of taking off their shirts and beating their chests in the middle of the streets is not very effective. Rather it is counter productive as most people see this and want to distance themselves from such things.

The Sunni dawah is more effective as it focuses on the God and Human relationship. This is the sad truth.

Yes.We should introspect the activities.So that our rituals should not be unrealistic and illogical.Since it may cause more harm than benifit.

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2 hours ago, Hadi5 said:

The Islam is most rapidly growing religion.The non Muslims convert to Sunni version of Islam more than Shia Islam.

Definitely these coverting people don't have grudge with Shia Islam as some ignorant may think.

As Shia believe their version is true and more logical then most of non Muslim should convert to Shia Islam.

But in reality they convert to Sunni version.

Why so?

@notme @Sirius_Bright @Anonymous @ShiaMan14

Sunnis have a much larger dawah program whereas the Shias don’t.

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The first point of call for Non Muslims on reading up on Islam unfortunately are Salafi publications like Darusalam. Hence my simplified previous reply.

Also why a lot (not all) reverts can be very zealot and ironically closed minded once becoming salafi-fied, after being open minded enough to look into Islam.

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1 hour ago, Hadi5 said:

No sorry it's not like that.Allah sees the sincere effort not the result.

If they know there exists different sects in Islam and still don't research further then they're not sincere. Hence, they're misguided. 

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1 minute ago, Sirius_Bright said:

If they know there exists different sects in Islam and still don't research further then they're not sincere. Hence, they're misguided. 

Mr.. It is not so easy.At least they accepted Qur'an and Holy Prophet Muhammad saww. Then it is Shia scholars to help them.But if Shias don't help and blame others that why they couldn't find is unfortunate.

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1 minute ago, Hadi5 said:

At least they accepted Qur'an and Holy Prophet Muhammad saww. 

Perhaps that's why the burden of their sin will reach to the first, the second & the third ones who usurped & caused deviation in religion and disobeyed Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) & his Apostle (S). This is their "Gunah e Jariya" .

وَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَدَّمُوا وَآثَارَهُمْ 

The effects of what they did, reach to the 12th Imam (ajtf). And he will resolve all the issues.

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8 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

At least they accepted Qur'an and Holy Prophet Muhammad saww.

Doesn't matter because Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has also commanded them to accept his 12 Hujjats after Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). 

9 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

Then it is Shia scholars to help them.

Shia scholars can't go to each and everyone to help. They have to come to our scholars. Well don't go to thirsty, thirsty comes to well. 

9 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

But if Shias don't help and blame others that why they couldn't find Is unfortunate.

If those reverts ask Shias for help and they don't help then maybe they're responsible. But it's there responsibility to approach someone and enquire. 

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Just now, Sirius_Bright said:

Doesn't matter because Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has also commanded them to accept his 12 Hujjats after Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). 

Shia scholars can't go to each and everyone to help. They have to come to our scholars. Well don't go to thirsty, thirsty comes to well. 

If those reverts ask Shias for help and they don't help then maybe they're responsible. But it's there responsibility to approach someone and enquire. 

Did Prophet saww go every one to guide to Islam.

Or he let them go to hell.

How much we know our Islam .That you expect other's to know.

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9 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

Did Prophet saww go every one to guide to Islam.

Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had sent by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as a guide for mankind and to preach them towards Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). The scholars and ourselves should do dawah and nobody denies that. However, it's their responsibility to do research and choose the right path. If they fails to do so, then they aren't on Sirat al-Mustaqeem. 

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4 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had sent by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as a guide for mankind and to preach them towards Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). The scholars and ourselves should do dawah and nobody denies that. However, it's their responsibility to do research and choose the right path. If they fails to do so, then they aren't on Sirat al-Mustaqeem. 

That is not like that.If they sincerely tried their best' they will be rewarded best'.

Last time I had asked you how is Tawheed known .Rarly any of us know.

So how should I expect I newly convert should know everything.

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27 minutes ago, Salsabeel said:

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 14:

قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَٰكِن قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

The dwellers of the desert say: We believe. Say: You do not believe but say, We submit; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts; and if you obey Allah and His Apostle, He will not diminish aught of your deeds; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (English - Shakir) 

 

Islam is very simple religion. It only asks one to obey Allah & Prophet (S). Although there is a third obligation too I.e., "ulil amr"(asws), but since the fresh converts have not listened the sermon of ghadeer from Prophet (s), the definition of ulil amr & mowla has been twisted, I don't think they will be held responsible for this sin. 

Surah Ya Seen, Verse 12:

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نُحْيِي الْمَوْتَىٰ وَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَدَّمُوا وَآثَارَهُمْ وَكُلَّ شَيْءٍ أَحْصَيْنَاهُ فِي إِمَامٍ مُّبِينٍ

Surely We give life to the dead, and We write down what they have sent before and their footprints, and We have recorded everything in a clear writing. (English - Shakir) 

Those who have listened, witnessed the sermon of Prophet (s) at ghadeer and then congratulated Imam Ali (asws), then disobeyed Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) & Prophet (s) by concealing it, and by making the stright path look obscure, are the responsible of this whole mess. The "athaar" of their wrong doing is still present and is adding up more pain & sufferings for them in hereafter.

 

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26 minutes ago, Hadi5 said:

So how should I expect I newly convert should know everything

They don't know anything. That's the reason they should dig into belief of different sects. Apart from hadith, it's common sense that every sect of Muslim claiming to be the 'saved sect' cannot be true. There's only one correct path. 

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28 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

They don't know anything. That's the reason they should dig into belief of different sects. Apart from hadith, it's common sense that every sect of Muslim claiming to be the 'saved sect' cannot be true. There's only one correct path. 

Put yourself in the shoes of a convert. It is easy to talk about what one should do, but much more difficult to do when put in that situation.

If one were to even do research on sects, they would distance themselves from Shias even more. Have you seen what google returns when searching for Shia?

Shias make a fool of themselves for the world to see and then wonder why converts don’t become Shia.

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Just now, 786:) said:

Put yourself in the shoes of a convert. It is easy to talk about what one should do, but much more difficult to do when put in that situation.

Personally, I respect the reverts more than a born Shia. They have gone through so much to reach the true path. It's all their efforts and persistence which they'll see in the Hereafter as a reward from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

But again, if someone has love for enemies of Janabe Zehra (sa) then they're deviated. 

5 minutes ago, 786:) said:

If one were to even do research on sects, they would distance themselves from Shias even more.

People who became Muslims from Non-Muslim and then Shia did their research. So yeah, the research doesn't distance them from Shia Islam but brings them closer. 

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Learning the truth comes in steps and each step takes you closer to the truth. It’s unlikely for a non-Muslim to become shi’a without being Sunni first. Sunnis have a much bigger population which means more wealth and mosques are being spread to popularize their version of Islam and attract the non-Muslims into it. When the person becomes Sunni, he has moved one step closer to the truth, but now he has 2 options: continue his journey to seek the ultimate truth or remain ignorant. Many Sunnis have chosen to continue that journey for the truth, hence why most shi’a converts are ex-Sunnis.

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Some people also don't realize that many non Muslims who convert to Islam become often what we could call "just Muslims" and don't really know what is a Sunni or Shia. 

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4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Those who didn't make it to Shia Islam are misguided. Period. 

So you think that Shia's are the chosen people? You sound like a Jew or a Christian, to be honest. Because they believe that only they go to Heaven, and that they are chosen by God. Their are 8 billion people in this world, and most of these people are never introduced to Shia Islam, or any religion. You think that you are special just because of your religion, you have a lot to learn about life my friend. Very sad and ignorant view.

 Religion is not about being better than the next man, its about finding unity with the next person. The Qur'an makes all of this clear. Where in the Qur'an does it say that only Shia's are chosen by God? Please explain.

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