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Venezuela- What is the right thing to do?

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There are lots of horrific things going on in Venezuela. Rampant hyperinflation, possibly the worst case seen in recent history, upto 10 million percent, food shortages, lack of medicine, people fleeing the country etc.

The Maduro government won the elections in June 2017, but these elections were highly controversial and the leader of the legislative body, which is controlled by folks that oppose Maduro has come out and said he will assume the role of president if the seat is vacant. So far Maduro has the military on his side so his power hasn't been threatened but if military officials start to feel economic consequences, they might turn on him too.

The US, Canada, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica, Denmark and Paraguay have already recognized the leader of the legislative body as the president. Of course, they have little basis to do this since that is not the UN recognized government.

However, in a situation like this while arguing over imperialism and colonialism is fair, how do you stop a crisis like this? You could argue that countries have no right to intervene on the basis of sovereignty but when Venezuelans are fleeing into neighbouring countries in record numbers, doesn't it rid those countries they are fleeing to of their own sovereignty? And if that is the case, do these neighbouring countries, who are mostly allied with the US have a right to act? 

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Salam ,the current situation of there is like as Syria few weeks  before starting  full scale civil war , I see an Arabic tweet that was comparing reaction of Russia , China & Iran about Syria & Syria is now in their team

Iran voices support for Venezuela against any kind of foreign interference

January 24, 2019 - 4:08 PM News Code : 926172 Source : TasnimLink: 
 Iran voices support for Venezuela against any kind of foreign interference
 

Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Bahram Qassemi voiced the country’s support for the Venezuelan people and government against “any kind of foreign interference” in the domestic affairs of the Latin American country. 

“The Islamic Republic of Iran supports Venezuela's government and nation against any kind of foreign interference in its internal affairs or any illegal act, such as attempts (to stage) a coup and anti-people measures,” Qassemi said in a statement released on Thursday. 

“We hope that any political disagreement or problem in Venezuela will be resolved by the people and government of the country as soon as possible through adopting legal and peaceful solutions,” the speaker added. 

 

http://en.abna24.com/news//Iran-voices-support-for-venezuela-against-any-kind-of-foreign-interference_926172.html

http://en.abna24.com/news//Syria-condemns-us-flagrant-interference-in-venezuela’s-affairs_926182.html

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Foreign intervention will make things worse for Venezuela, especially when it's led by the US. History tells us that American intervention is always done to benefit the US and its corporate interests, not because they give a monkey's about the people of Venezuela. This being the case, we should oppose American or Western intervention in Venezuela in principle and promote local solutions to break the deadlock, preferably with the support of the neighbouring countries to whom the crisis in Venezuela matters the most.

That being said, Maduro has been a failure - plain and simple. It doesn't matter if he's Chavez's successor and apparently keeping the socialist dream alive in the country where many of the opposition are ready to sell themselves out to the US. 

No government or regime can survive too long if it can't deliver on basic governance, no matter how legitimate and popular it might have been when it came to power. It's a total mess there and if Maduro or his party are unable to fix things, it is inevitable that there would be a push to oust him with whatever means at disposal. 

 

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59 minutes ago, Marbles said:

This being the case, we should oppose American or Western intervention in Venezuela in principle and promote local solutions to break the deadlock, preferably with the support of the neighbouring countries to whom the crisis in Venezuela matters the most.

How would these solutions be implemented though? Is Maduro prepared to negotiate an agreement in which he potentially has to step down at some point? The people can't really use force either, the military is overwhelmingly on Maduro's side. What would it take to stop the crisis from getting worse? 

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Is the current economic situation is imposed by invisible forces outside the country on Venezuela government and people?  If yes, then no matter how Maduro try to improve, it will not work.  Outside forces have money and propaganda machineries to destroy all developing countries that do not follow US foreign policies (except Iran).

Then Maduro has to right to fight back.

Let say that Maduro is a corrupt person to the core, then people of Venezuela has the right to change him as what people of Iran did in 1979.

Personally, I think Venezuala is headed toward similar situation as in Libya.  Maduro is not equal to Ghadaffi because Maduro is elected. The US decided to remove Maduro because he will not bow down to US foreign policies.

Russia and China will not allow the US to repeat the similar situation as in Libya.  There will be stalemate. 

If situation to deteriorate further in Venezuala, Russia and China will have to pumping money and assure military security to Maduro government.  I believe this will happen.

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US envoy, Venezuela’s Guaido praise Netanyahu for backing ‘forces of freedom & democracy’

https://www.rt.com/news/449930-Israel-recognizes-venezuela-guaido/

Israel has moved to recognize Juan Guaido’s claim to power in Venezuela, after Washington spearheaded the regime change effort, urging those undecided to “pick a side,” and its EU allies issued an ultimatum to Nicolas Maduro.

“Israel joins the United States, Canada, most of the countries of Latin America and countries in Europe in recognizing the new leadership in Venezuela,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a brief statement on Sunday. However, unlike many of those who denounced President Nicolas Maduro as a ‘dictator’ and ‘usurper’ and urged him to step aside, Netanyahu stopped short of openly calling for any action that might fuel internal conflict in Venezuela.

 

“Appreciation and kudos to the Government of Israel for standing with the people of Venezuela and the forces of freedom and democracy,” US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman tweeted upon hearing the news.

Guaido also rushed to thank Netanyahu, specifically noting that the recognition took place on the 74th anniversary of the liberation of the notorious Nazi death camp Auschwitz – just as Venezuela is “also fighting for its freedom.”

Tel Aviv initially seemed reluctant to take sides, but following reported discussions with US State Department officials and after hearing their passionate performance at a UN Security Council session on Saturday, Israel officially supported the Washington-led effort to recognize the opposition politician as the “legitimate” leader of Venezuela.

Almost simultaneously on Saturday, Paris, Berlin, and Madrid announced their readiness to recognize the self-proclaimed “interim president” of Venezuela – unless the country holds snap presidential elections within eight days.

But despite the growing international support for the US effort to rid Venezuela of the socialist ‘Maduro regime’, a wide number of nations, including Russia, China, Cuba, and Mexico, view Washington’s actions as blatant interference in the affairs of a sovereign nation. Maduro himself also agreed that problems on an international level must be solved at the negotiating table, rather than ‘humanitarian’ interventions.

“We will continue denouncing US lies, and I will continue to encourage national dialogue because I am up for a dialogue with all the political opposition, with the opposition media,” the Venezuelan president said. “I think dialogue should prevail.”

 

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On 1/24/2019 at 7:13 PM, Mohamed1993 said:

 

 

Should we really doubt the outcome of the electoins or is it more of the Western propaganda which feed s this lie?
The Venezulan person in the UN meeting very recently even talked about this and said: we invited (??) person(s) to come and observe. They denied because these plans were already underway.


I don't say Maduro and his people do not make mistakes. But what is happening against them and Venezuela is not just. How many billion dollars are being frozen and stolen from them? How much pressure is there on them and the people? Etc. etc. etc.

If the mainstream media, ALL portray as if Maduro is the bad guy, then he is most certainly the good guy.

 

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About the refugees; Venezuela have said they can return them. And also what I earlier said, withouth the global presure and war on Venezuela, and interference, consider groups as CIA etc for example, then the situation would be very different, or not?
 




 

 

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If only they would let the Venezuelan people live how they want to live without playing with their domestic politics like Legos there would be peace there now. But no enemy of America will ever be left in peace. Your either their obedient slave or their enemy until you become an obedient slave.

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Ilhan Omar (D-MN) speaks out against the Venezuelan coup, she is immediately smeared as a Russian.

 

 

 

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It's not entirely fair to blame the situation in Venezuela on the US. Though the US of course has a vested interest in seeing Maduro fall, but a lot of what you're seeing happen in Venezuela is because of Chavez's economic mismanagement. He took advantage of the high oil prices, and used those to fund social programs, instead of diversifying the economy and helping create jobs. Now that oil prices are no longer what they were, those programs aren't sustainable anymore. It is true that the US has sanctions on Venezuela, but the sanctions are not nearly as extensive as they are on say a country like Iran, they are mainly targeting the Venezuelan officials, not trade or anything. And you see rampant inflation because of money printing that has gotten out of hand since the oil prices are no longer high to be able to fund the kind of lifestyle that was possible for Venezuelans under Chavez. 

As for the coup right now, I agree it is interference that is against international law but to say that that alone is the cause of the problems is short-sighted. 

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I’ve no opinion on it. But: 

If the Western alliance prevails in Venezuela (despite the warnings of RU and CHI), it would mean we are still living in a unipolar world. If things don’t become Syria like, then you know the Western alliance has lost its old glory since its Syrian misadventure. 

To me Venezuela is the litmus test for all those who found a multi-polar world-order in the loss of West in Syria.

I truly hope both alliances come to their senses though and resolve it without another bloodshed, Syria like. 

Silver lining, Venezuela is a Christian country and there is no Christian ISIS created yet, that could be unleashed on them. 

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Published on Feb 16, 2019
 
Mr. Maduro, you are alone in this war against the aggressor. Arabs are too far to help you, and even if you were our neighbour, many Arabs would join the fight against you, just like they did in Syria.

 

 

 

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