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Salam,

Especially for the Muslims living in the West, there is a big problem in terms of finding a suitable spouse. Marriage is a life commitment, and it really requires a lot of research, if we want to grow and not simply survive. There are great people in the world, but having a service which helps two mu'min get together and live a healthy marriage, is an absolute must in the West.

Parents often feel the need to do all the work, and they are trying their best mashallah. However their judgement is not always correct. Our parents don't necessarily know us as well as we know ourselves. Them hunting for a spouse is not going to guarantee success, although It could. Muslims who live in the West wouldn't always want to go back and marry a spouse from the East, and there could be many reasons such as compatability.

Therefore the solution to all this is having an official marriage service. The center shouldn't only randomly match two people, there should be a firm structure and process which is followed.

Relationship counsellors and those who have studied personality psychology, should also be hired by these centers. Getting professional advice from experts can be very helpful, and it's not always about relying on sheikhs. Maybe we could get someone to study our personality in detail, and eventually an expert could decide if we are compatabile with another person.

Also these centers need to hold marriage workshops often and educate the youth in terms of how to live a successful marriage life - their duties, roles and responsibilities.

These are just my personal thoughts on this. We need to make serious changes and take this matter seriously. Let's not always rely on cousin marriages etc. Why have such low expectations?

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Walaikum a Salam,

Khoja KSIMC Muslim centres run events for single Shia Muslims brothers and sisters. Its like halal dating for only £5. A sister on Muzmatch told me about this:

https://www.ksmnet.org/sub-committee/marriage/pre-marriage-bmmf

It depends what you are looking for. Alternatively if you are a wealthy professional then there are halal dating services that represent a niche market. Their dating events are held in luxurious venues but they are very expensive and you have to be a wealthy professional and they do not have any Shia candidates on their database. 

May Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى bless you and all brothers and sisters looking for a marriage partner. I hope everybody finds what they are looking for. 

Edited by Murtaza1

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11 minutes ago, 2Timeless said:

@ali_fatheroforphans doesn't this already exist? Muslim halal dating/matchmaking sites like Muzmatch, Minder, ShiaMatch all provide the service you're talking about.

He is talking about creating a more in-depth and certified process. Sites like those don’t always have the nicest people with the best intentions. There is a lot of haram that goes on in these “halal” dating sites. I’ve tried shiamatch and I have friends who’ve tried the other two. Shiamatch is (or was at the time) mainly South Asian men who ignore anything you write about what you’re interested in/are looking for. I’ve also seen people active on it that I 100% know are already in the process of marrying someone else. 

It would make things a lot easier if there was a certified organization that matched people. They could verify the people who are looking to be matched and make sure everyone’s on the same page. It would also be made sure that those going through the process are serious about it and aren’t playing around. These things aren’t always guaranteed online. It’s very easy to fake everything online. 

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On 1/13/2019 at 3:56 PM, 2Timeless said:

@ali_fatheroforphans doesn't this already exist? Muslim halal dating/matchmaking sites like Muzmatch, Minder,

Most of these sites  are garbage from what I've heard. Wouldn't you rather give your personal info etc. To respected people in an organization who you've probs seen.

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1 hour ago, Nevsevug said:

It would make things a lot easier if there was a certified organization that matched people.

Yes they exist but are very expensive and cater for a niche market of wealthy professionals. They don't have any Shia candidates on their database and are very selective. I am pleased to say they excepted me.

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@Nevsevug @ali_fatheroforphans you make valid points. The apps I suggested aren't great and have alot of horrible people on them. But at the same time, having a full on organisation like one you've suggested would take alot of time and effort and would need alot of funding. Nowadays young Muslims are getting married after meeting at university or work (which I think is alot harder than what people make it out to be) or through mutual  friends etc.  On top of the need for funding, this may be looked down on by certain communities. Yes, younger people might appreciate and like such an organisation, but their parents won't. And as much as I'd like to say "Who cares? As long as the couple are happy everything is fine" That's not how it works. Most mothers want to find the perfect wife for their son themselves. It's almost as if the mother is marrying the bride, not her son. I know it's wrong, but that's just how it is. More often than not, parents may probably look down upon a match made by such an organisation, and even though theyre perfect for eachother, society's views of them will put a strain on their relationship.

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1 hour ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

Most of these sites  are garbage from what I've heard. Wouldn't you rather give your personal info etc. To respected people in an organization who you've probs seen.

We are planning to do one at a centre in Perth called Ahlulbayt Community of Western Australia Insha'Allah.

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2 hours ago, 2Timeless said:

@Nevsevug @ali_fatheroforphans you make valid points. The apps I suggested aren't great and have alot of horrible people on them. But at the same time, having a full on organisation like one you've suggested would take alot of time and effort and would need alot of funding. Nowadays young Muslims are getting married after meeting at university or work (which I think is alot harder than what people make it out to be) or through mutual  friends etc.  On top of the need for funding, this may be looked down on by certain communities. Yes, younger people might appreciate and like such an organisation, but their parents won't. And as much as I'd like to say "Who cares? As long as the couple are happy everything is fine" That's not how it works. Most mothers want to find the perfect wife for their son themselves. It's almost as if the mother is marrying the bride, not her son. I know it's wrong, but that's just how it is. More often than not, parents may probably look down upon a match made by such an organisation, and even though theyre perfect for eachother, society's views of them will put a strain on their relationship.

It may take a lot of money, time and effort but it’s something that will greatly benefit our communities. We already have people in the communities who help the youth and their families find suitors, often without. This would just be a larger scale version of that. Also, meeting at university or through friends is a much better idea than these kind of apps. Sure, people meet through the apps and have good marriages but it’s very difficult to find someone trustworthy online. I’d much prefer to marry someone I’ve known or seen around campus and who is known by people around me. Your point that the elders may look down upon this kind of thing isn’t much of a point, really. How can elders be okay with young people meeting at university or online (which happens a lot more nowadays) but not with an actual organization with Shia professionals and elders? Meeting online should be worse in that case, then. A lot of people do not agree with their children marrying anyone they’ve met online and it becomes quite a task to try and talk them into it. 

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2 hours ago, Murtaza1 said:

Yes they exist but are very expensive and cater for a niche market of wealthy professionals. They don't have any Shia candidates on their database and are very selective. I am pleased to say they excepted me.

What’s the point of being accepted into a marriage matchmaking program with no Shias(unless you aren’t Shia yourself)? 

We are asking for a program that caters to everyone equally and is specifically for Shia (or even just Muslim) youth. 

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21 minutes ago, Nevsevug said:

What’s the point of being accepted into a marriage matchmaking program with no Shias(unless you aren’t Shia yourself)? 

We are asking for a program that caters to everyone equally and is specifically for Shia (or even just Muslim) youth. 

Yes i understand. I am keeping my options open. I know marriages between Sunnis and Shias do work. I also feel i will be playing a positive part to bring the umah together. 

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On 1/13/2019 at 10:10 PM, AStruggler said:

Wait what's the difference between a haram dating site and halal dating side? What makes dating halal?

I think its a bit like an arranged marriage maybe where a third person is involved between the two people that assesses their compatibility and brings them together. Also the conditions surrounding the meet up have to be Islamic such as no alcohol or bad intentions

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9 hours ago, 2Timeless said:

That's not how it works. Most mothers want to find the perfect wife for their son themselves. It's almost as if the mother is marrying the bride, not her son. I know it's wrong, but that's just how it is. More often than not, parents may probably look down upon a match made by such an organisation, and even though theyre perfect for eachother, society's views of them will put a strain on their relationship.

Trust me, it's all about how it's marketed. Parents just need to be convinced about the organization and how it could benefit their children. Yes, the issue is that parents want a say in who their children marry. Therefore these organizations should really involve parents and maybe host a couple of sessions with them. If parents feel included and a part of this whole process, they wouldn't have any problem imo.

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On 1/13/2019 at 10:10 PM, AStruggler said:

Wait what's the difference between a haram dating site and halal dating side? What makes dating halal?

I think 'dating' just getting to know someone for a relationship. In 'halal dating', you're getting to know someone for marriage but without committing haram like flirting etc. That's just my take on it.

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It seems like there's no point in looking for a compatible spouse. This video states that if you don't want your spouse to have certain quality, Allah will give you a spouse with that quality. After I got married, I realized that the qualities which I hated were dishonesty, cruelty and promiscuity. And my ex husband had all three qualities. I have not seen a more cruel and promiscuous man and a bigger liar. It seems like even if I tried to get married again, I will end up with similar type of person. My family was a civilized, educated family and they are becoming so backward and cruel. I am autistic and for autistic people, change is not easy to accept. It's also very hard for them to change themselves. Does this mean Islam is not a religion for autistic people? 

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@rkazmi33 Thank you for the video. I will have a look. Sorry to hear that you are autistic. I was also told I showed signs of being on the of Asperger's Syndrome spectrum. I think everybody is on the spectrum somewhere but some of us are placed in a rare area which makes us different to most people because the way society operates. I struggle with relationships too. Islam definitely welcomes us all. Just look at the social values taught in Islam. Also sorry to hear about the type of husband you ended up getting married to sister. Maybe I shouldn't be so specific about the character of my wife when I seek marriage but does that also include beauty? I thought we should be considering 3 factors based on personality, deen and beauty with 30% emphasis placed on each. Although personally I put an extra 10% on beauty.

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23 hours ago, Murtaza1 said:

@rkazmi33 Thank you for the video. I will have a look. Sorry to hear that you are autistic. I was also told I showed signs of being on the of Asperger's Syndrome spectrum. I think everybody is on the spectrum somewhere but some of us are placed in a rare area which makes us different to most people because the way society operates. I struggle with relationships too. Islam definitely welcomes us all. Just look at the social values taught in Islam. 

I meant to say that it's hard for autistic people to change while the whole point of the video was that Islam wants people to change. 

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