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Salam aleykom, 

There's a hadith that states that diseases/sicknesses are from people themselves, and that the cure is within them if only they reflect. 

So if a child is born with a tumour like some close relatives of mine - is that the child's own fault? 

What about developmentally challenged kids? Is it their fault too? 

 

How can we understand this hadith? Is it universal or are there exceptions?

 

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I don't know the interpretation of the hadith, I hadn't heard it before now, but science also asserts that contagious diseases are caused by humans living in civilization. It isn't caused by the individual, but by the collective. 

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3 hours ago, Carlzone said:

diseases/sicknesses are from people themselves, and that the cure is within them if only they reflect. 

Could be referring to diseases of the soul.

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This may be the one you're referring to

دواؤك فيك وما تشعر *** وداؤك منك وما تُبصر
وتحسب أنّك جرم صغير*** وفيك انطوى العالم الأكبر
وأنت الكتاب المبين الذي*** بأحرفه يظهر المُضمَر
فلا حاجة لك في خارج *** يُخَبَّرعنك بما سُطًّرُ

Imam `Ali (as) said, "Your remedy is in you, but you do not see. Your malady is within you, but you do not perceive. You presume that you are a small particle, but enfolded within you is the great universe. You are indeed that magnificent book, by whose alphabet the hidden becomes evident. Therefore, you have no needs beyond yourself. Your essence and secrets are in you, if only you can reflect".

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Or perhaps this one

- عنه، رفعه قال: قال أبو عبد الله (عليه السلام) لرجل: إنك قد جعلت طبيب نفسك وبين لك الداء، وعرفت آية الصحة، ودللت على الدواء، فانظر كيف قيامك على نفسك.

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said, "Surely, you have been made the doctor of yourself. The illness has been made manifest to you. You know the miracle of good health, and you have been guided to the cure. So look to how you treat your self."

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These narrations of course operate on a much larger scale than just physical illnesses.

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وَ قَالَ صَلَّى اَللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَ آلِهِ : لِلْمَرِيضِ فِي مَرَضِهِ أَرْبَعُ خِصَالٍ يُرْفَعُ عَنْهُ اَلْقَلَمُ وَ يَأْمُرُ اَللَّهُ اَلْمَلَكَ أَنْ يَكْتُبَ لَهُ نَوَالَ مَا كَانَ يَعْمَلُهُ فِي صِحَّتِهِ وَ تَسَاقَطَتْ ذُنُوبُهُ كَمَا يَتَسَاقَطُ وَرَقُ اَلشَّجَرِ وَ مَنْ عَادَ مَرِيضاً لَمْ يَسْأَلِ اَللَّهَ تَعَالَى شَيْئاً إِلاَّ أَعْطَاهُ وَ يُوحِي اَللَّهُ تَعَالَى إِلَى مَلَكِ

اَلشِّمَالِ لاَ تَكْتُبْ عَلَى عَبْدِي مَا دَامَ فِي وَثَاقِي شَيْئاً وَ إِلَى مَلَكِ اَلْيَمِينِ أَنِ اِجْعَلْ أَنِينَهُ حَسَنَاتٍ وَ أَنَّ اَلْمَرَضَ يُنَقِّي اَلْجَسَدَ مِنَ اَلذُّنُوبِ كَمَا يُنَقِّي اَلْكِيرُ خَبَثَ اَلْحَدِيدِ وَ إِذَا مَرِضَ اَلصَّغِيرُ كَانَ مَرَضُهُ كَفَّارَةً لِوَالِدَيْهِ

 إرشاد القلوب , ج 1 , ص 43

And the Prophet said that the believer has four attributes in his illnesses: the pen is removed from him, and God commands the angels to write for him the same reward that he was doing when he was well and sheds his sins as the leaf of tree drops and everyone who visits sick  He will not ask God anything  he gave him that and God commands to left side angle that you do not write a sin on my servant while he is in my  guardianship and he orders the right side angle to make him mourn as his good  deed,illness  Emptying body from sin, as the blacksmith's tail brushes iron, and whenever a small child becomes sick,this is ransom of the sin of  father and mother.

Irshad 'Al Qulub , v1 , p 43

https://www.noorhadith.ir/hadith/292307/إرشاد-القلوب/پيامبر-اکرم-(صلی-الله-علیه-و-آله)?SourceID=1414&PageType=ViewTranslate

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4 hours ago, starlight said:

Could be referring to diseases of the soul.

As well as mutations in dna. Let’s not forget we have symbiotic bacteria(mitochondoria(older than us)), so equally there are parasitic bacteria

but the true mystery’s are virus’s 

which are not even classified as living beings(mainly becuase they can’t reproduce without another as a host) 

these guys are real problems

some scientists even surmise pyschological diseases to be caused by foreign bodies. Like Alzheimer’s . I’m very interested in that.

cancer can be thought to be mistakes in dna, because of their excessive proliferation. They’re based on probability and chance. Some are affected by lineage(so I guess you can thank your dumb ancestors for that lol)and have existed forever lol

at the same time it’s been noted that a parents psychological and just choices in general can change their dna(epigenetics) and pass onto the child. So in this case you don’t even have to wait generations for diseases or mutations to manifest 

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3 hours ago, Qa'im said:

This may be the one you're referring to

دواؤك فيك وما تشعر *** وداؤك منك وما تُبصر
وتحسب أنّك جرم صغير*** وفيك انطوى العالم الأكبر
وأنت الكتاب المبين الذي*** بأحرفه يظهر المُضمَر
فلا حاجة لك في خارج *** يُخَبَّرعنك بما سُطًّرُ

Imam `Ali (as) said, "Your remedy is in you, but you do not see. Your malady is within you, but you do not perceive. You presume that you are a small particle, but enfolded within you is the great universe. You are indeed that magnificent book, by whose alphabet the hidden becomes evident. Therefore, you have no needs beyond yourself. Your essence and secrets are in you, if only you can reflect".

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Or perhaps this one

- عنه، رفعه قال: قال أبو عبد الله (عليه السلام) لرجل: إنك قد جعلت طبيب نفسك وبين لك الداء، وعرفت آية الصحة، ودللت على الدواء، فانظر كيف قيامك على نفسك.

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said, "Surely, you have been made the doctor of yourself. The illness has been made manifest to you. You know the miracle of good health, and you have been guided to the cure. So look to how you treat your self."

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These narrations of course operate on a much larger scale than just physical illnesses.

Let’s not forget the placebo affect

the mind is the most powerful thing out there

if you’re convinced of something it may indeed trick your body etc

there is two of ourselves, the one within us and the one we act as. The soul and body. That’s why sometimes your biggest enemy can be yourself. 

equally you have the power to fix it yourself. Such as addiction, it is ultimately your willpower that will help to overcome it. This is also magnificently true on a biological and chemical scale. The beauty in my lords words. Subhanallah 

And modern day vaccines are pretty much based off this dogma

what we put in is what we put out

amd most diseases can be results of inflammation. Behind every disease I find inflammation to be a big factor and indicator or at least progenitor 

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4 hours ago, Qa'im said:

This may be the one you're referring to

دواؤك فيك وما تشعر *** وداؤك منك وما تُبصر
وتحسب أنّك جرم صغير*** وفيك انطوى العالم الأكبر
وأنت الكتاب المبين الذي*** بأحرفه يظهر المُضمَر
فلا حاجة لك في خارج *** يُخَبَّرعنك بما سُطًّرُ

Imam `Ali (as) said, "Your remedy is in you, but you do not see. Your malady is within you, but you do not perceive. You presume that you are a small particle, but enfolded within you is the great universe. You are indeed that magnificent book, by whose alphabet the hidden becomes evident. Therefore, you have no needs beyond yourself. Your essence and secrets are in you, if only you can reflect".

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Or perhaps this one

- عنه، رفعه قال: قال أبو عبد الله (عليه السلام) لرجل: إنك قد جعلت طبيب نفسك وبين لك الداء، وعرفت آية الصحة، ودللت على الدواء، فانظر كيف قيامك على نفسك.

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said, "Surely, you have been made the doctor of yourself. The illness has been made manifest to you. You know the miracle of good health, and you have been guided to the cure. So look to how you treat your self."

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These narrations of course operate on a much larger scale than just physical illnesses.

So does this include for instance tumours that a baby is born with, and is it the baby's own fault? And can it "cure" itself? 

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2 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

So does this include for instance tumours that a baby is born with, and is it the baby's own fault? And can it "cure" itself? 

I believe Qa'im already answered this question by suggesting that the ahadith are talking about much more than just physical illnesses, and are more likely referring to spiritual matters. It behooves us to only take only parts of the ahadith as being literal and others as metaphoric. If these ahadith are suggesting that physical illnesses of a baby are its own fault and that the baby can also cure itself, then you should also believe that inside that baby is a literal, physical universe. That baby is also, apparently, a literal, physical book.

It's quite apparent after reading these narrations that they are esoteric and spiritual in nature.

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11 minutes ago, Khadim uz Zahra said:

I believe Qa'im already answered this question by suggesting that the ahadith are talking about much more than just physical illnesses, and are more likely referring to spiritual matters. It behooves us to only take only parts of the ahadith as being literal and others as metaphoric. If these ahadith are suggesting that physical illnesses of a baby are its own fault and that the baby can also cure itself, then you should also believe that inside that baby is a literal, physical universe. That baby is also, apparently, a literal, physical book.

It's quite apparent after reading these narrations that they are esoteric and spiritual in nature.

I want to know the true meaning of this. Not speculations.

And I'm interested in the specific case of a baby born with a tumour. What do these hadiths truly mean in a case like this? 

Do we have ulama or sheiks who have spoken about these matters? Or lectures on this topic? 

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1 hour ago, Carlzone said:

So does this include for instance tumours that a baby is born with, and is it the baby's own fault? And can it "cure" itself? 

I don't think so that it is baby's own fault, It could be a test of parents by Allah as per Quran when Allah says we shall test you with something out of fear and with your children, health and wealth.

Allah the Exalted states in Surah Baqarah : 

"And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patientWho, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return."Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided.

[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving  [Al-Qur'an 67:2]

"Or you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty, ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who had faith with him said, 'When will the Help of Allah come?' Yes! Indeed Allah's help is close!" [Al-Qur'an 2:214]

And know that your properties and your children are but a trial and that Allah has with Him a great reward.” (Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal, 8: 28)

He also indicates,
 “Your wealth and your children are but a trial, and Allah has with Him a great reward.”  (Qur'an, Surah At-Taghabun, 64: 15)

This narration of Moula Ali(asws) is very common though that the cure is inside you yet you do not perceive. 

Also note that the Quran states that the disease is in the 'Sudoor' chests or hearts of people.

Having said that, a baby being born with holes in heart - Congenital Heart Defects (a pretty common problem in new born children) could be a test of parents by Allah to see how much thankful and patient are the parents towards this defect in the children.

Also note some are tests dear and some are human created problems by their own hands for which they blame Allah.

Nevertheless to summarize, I am closing my post with below words from Dua e Kumail that before the creation of illness Allah created its cure and...

Ya Man Ismuhu Dawa

O he Whose name is a remedy

Wa Dhik-ruhu Shifa

O he Whose remembrance is a cure

Wa Ta'tuhu Ghinan

And obedience to Whom makes one sulf sufficient.

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21 minutes ago, Asghar Ali Karbalai said:

"Or you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty, ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who had faith with him said, 'When will the Help of Allah come?' Yes! Indeed Allah's help is close!" [Al-Qur'an 2:214]

This was indeed intense! Wow

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2 hours ago, Carlzone said:

This was indeed intense! Wow

O he whose name is a remedy

Talking about Allah as you want to know more about Allah, Moula Ali(asws) tells Hazrat Kumail(asws) to recite this dua.

Now you see that he(asws) is calling out Allah by saying O he Whose name is a remedy.

What is this remedy? By just saying 'Allah' what remedy are we getting what does Moula(asws) could mean by this word?

Let's see what a Non-muslim Psychologist after a lot of research and study has to say.

Vander Hoven, a psychologist from Netherlands, announced his new discovery about the effect of reading the Quran and repeating the word Allah both on patients and on normal persons. The Dutch professor confirms his discovery with studies and research applied on many patients over a period of three years.

Some of his patients were non-Muslims, others do not speak Arabic and were trained to pronounce the word "Allah" clearly; the result was great, particularly on those who suffer from dejection and tension.

Al Watan, a Saudi daily reported that the psychologist was quoted to say that Muslims who can read Arabic and who read the Quran regularly can protect themselves from psychological diseases.

The psychologist explained how each letter in the word "Allah" affects healing of psychological diseases. He pointed out in his research that pronouncing the first letter in the word "Allah" which is the letter (A), released from the respiratory system, controls breathing. He added that pronouncing the velar consonant (L) in the Arabic way, with the tongue touching slightly the upper part of the jaw producing a short pause and then repeating the same pause constantly, relaxes the aspiration. Also, pronouncing the last letter which is the letter (H) makes a contact between the lungs and the heart and in turn this contact controls the heart beat.

What is exciting in the study is that this psychologist is a non-Muslim, but interested in Islamic sciences and searching for the secrets of the Holy Quran. Allah, The Great and Glorious, says,

“We will show them Our signs in the universe and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Quran) is the truth.” (Holy Quran 42:53)

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4 hours ago, Carlzone said:

Thank you all for your replies. But do we know the true answer to my questions or are we just speculating?

We would need a time machine for that....oops we have DNA!

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7 minutes ago, Asghar Ali Karbalai said:

O he whose name is a remedy

Talking about Allah as you want to know more about Allah, Moula Ali(asws) tells Hazrat Kumail(asws) to recite this dua.

Now you see that he(asws) is calling out Allah by saying O he Whose name is a remedy.

What is this remedy? By just saying 'Allah' what remedy are we getting what does Moula(asws) could mean by this word?

Let's see what a Non-muslim Psychologist after a lot of research and study has to say.

Vander Hoven, a psychologist from Netherlands, announced his new discovery about the effect of reading the Quran and repeating the word Allah both on patients and on normal persons. The Dutch professor confirms his discovery with studies and research applied on many patients over a period of three years.

Some of his patients were non-Muslims, others do not speak Arabic and were trained to pronounce the word "Allah" clearly; the result was great, particularly on those who suffer from dejection and tension.

Al Watan, a Saudi daily reported that the psychologist was quoted to say that Muslims who can read Arabic and who read the Quran regularly can protect themselves from psychological diseases.

The psychologist explained how each letter in the word "Allah" affects healing of psychological diseases. He pointed out in his research that pronouncing the first letter in the word "Allah" which is the letter (A), released from the respiratory system, controls breathing. He added that pronouncing the velar consonant (L) in the Arabic way, with the tongue touching slightly the upper part of the jaw producing a short pause and then repeating the same pause constantly, relaxes the aspiration. Also, pronouncing the last letter which is the letter (H) makes a contact between the lungs and the heart and in turn this contact controls the heart beat.

What is exciting in the study is that this psychologist is a non-Muslim, but interested in Islamic sciences and searching for the secrets of the Holy Quran. Allah, The Great and Glorious, says,

“We will show them Our signs in the universe and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Quran) is the truth.” (Holy Quran 42:53)

Oh wow! I loved this! :) I had no idea this guy was out there. So cool! 

That verse is one of my absolute favourites in the Quran! :)

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20 minutes ago, Asghar Ali Karbalai said:

@Carlzone

May I ask, What do you understand by illnesses and diseases?

Are they some sort of 'Azaab' near to you?

I don't have a complete answer. I'm still trying to figure it out. 

Sometimes it's definitely punishment because you've wronged your soul and when you get to know yourself better you can become completely free from the disease. 

I can give you an example. When I was younger I suffered severely from an eating disorder. It was really bad. It took over my whole life. I couldn't eat anything without feeling anxiety or guilt.

When I got to know myself better I understood what it was all about and why I was treating myself so badly. I accepted help and treatment by specialists and I healed completely. 

Today I looove food and I enjoy it more than most people! :hahaha: I have zero anxiety or guilt in relation to food. 

But healing completely from an eating disorder is very rare. Most girls continue to suffer their whole lives. 

But in my case the hadith I referred to gives a good explanation. By getting to know yourself better you can heal from something that is plaguing you. 

 

I'm interested in finding out if this is true when it comes to tumours as well? I've read a book by someone who stated that this was the case for her when she healed from her tumour in her stomach. She did some inner work and found out why she had it and released the unprocessed emotions that were related to the tumour. 

Edited by Carlzone

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Some illnesses are caused by our actions or the actions of others. Other illnesses might be a test or even a blessing.

For example of a possible blessing, a person with autism has social difficulties, but he also has a unique way of thinking and seeing the world which is valuable. A person who is physically handicapped might be forced to focus more on intellectual pursuits which society needs. 

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To summarise points of @Carlzone @notme and to what I understand is that it is just how you take the disease. Like for example, Ali Banat an australian rich guy diagnosed with cancer called it a gift by Allah and after being diagnosed with it he started doing absolute charity stating something like that Allah has given him a chance to do all this work by gifting him cancer. He also said that his only regret was that a man in suit (doctor) had to tell him that he is going to die where as Allah in quran always mentioned about death.

So it is also how we take the illnesses.

I will surely not say that illnesses and diseases are 'Azaab' because 'Azaab' is not something small, when Azaab of Allah falls nations vanish and that's how tough is 'Azaab'.

In regards to 'Saza' punishment yes illnesses and diseases can be a punishment.

But to know whether a problem (musibah) (could be anything like mental or physical) is either a test or punishment is an important question to which Moula Ali(asws) replied that the problem which takes you closer to Allah is a 'Test' and that which takes you far from Allah is his 'Punishment'.

Hence we can conclude, a child born with illness and dying young with that illness could be a test or punishment by Allah towards his/her parents depending on how they act towards the problem?

If they are shaakir and remembering Allah it is their test and if they are not being thankful and going away from Allah's remembrance then it is their punishment.@Carlzone

This is in accordance to Moula Ali's(asws) way of finding it out.

And if that child grows up with that illness so it is that child's test as well.

I hope it is now understood by you as to how it works.

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20 hours ago, Qa'im said:

This may be the one you're referring to

دواؤك فيك وما تشعر *** وداؤك منك وما تُبصر
وتحسب أنّك جرم صغير*** وفيك انطوى العالم الأكبر
وأنت الكتاب المبين الذي*** بأحرفه يظهر المُضمَر
فلا حاجة لك في خارج *** يُخَبَّرعنك بما سُطًّرُ

Imam `Ali (as) said, "Your remedy is in you, but you do not see. Your malady is within you, but you do not perceive. You presume that you are a small particle, but enfolded within you is the great universe. You are indeed that magnificent book, by whose alphabet the hidden becomes evident. Therefore, you have no needs beyond yourself. Your essence and secrets are in you, if only you can reflect".

Salam @Qa'im, what is the original source for this?

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