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Women’s bodies and their choice of dress

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On 1/2/2019 at 5:36 PM, Nevsevug said:

Men often wear such tight clothing that you can see the shape of their privates. In a particular type of relaxed clothing(sweats) it’s very visible. Also women are attracted to muscled men so would it be wrong to have good muscles and show off your chest? 

Salam ,it’s also said that we must wear asthat people don’t point at us in public & don’t wear dress of fame  our Imams as men were wearing costumes with dresses that didn’t show their private parts but they were wearing what fits them with best looking that was showing somehow their musclenity a bit not whole of it 

for women is stricter rules but they must wear outfit in a way that people don’t point to them in public & don’t cause trouble for them from non Muslims but they must follow Islamic rules about head covering & other rules 

and both must wear in away that we can separate men from women 

it’s a sign of end days that men & women looks like each other in public .

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On 12/29/2018 at 3:09 AM, Nevsevug said:

However I do not understand the Islamic view of making it mandatory for women to cover completely but not men. What do you all think? 

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Just looking at this statement. Men and women are not the same. One is not better or less because of the gender, but the genders are not the same.

The beauty of women and the nature of man should be considered if you want to know why IMHO.

Furthermore, I advise you to read more or so about the subject, if you want.


Al-Islam.org (Googling al-islam.org + subject or just on the website)
AhlulBayt TV Documentary and main channel has useful videos in this regard.

 

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On 1/3/2019 at 10:44 PM, 2Timeless said:

I think that's a subjective view. A woman could be dignified and live to serve her Lord whilst not wearing a abayah. I don't think the "ideal" situation would involve a woman in a abayah. There are also many figure hugging and attention seeking abayahs out there which completely defeat the purpose of maintaining one's dignity.

What the ideal way of living for a muslim women is has been defined by the role models we have in shia Islam for women, infallible role models in fact.

A women can have the ideal akhlaq of a muslimah or she can have the ideal exterior of a muslimah or she could have BOTH, it is a possibility. Achieving one of them should not be used as a reason to neglect the other one.

I understand it can be a safety issue for some sisters living in the west but in my opinion it does not change the ideal and the question would rather be if it isn't better to move from such a place in my opinion.

Edited by IbnSina

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@IbnSina

It's not possible for everyone to move back home.

I've been in Iraq quite a lot lately, each time getting deeper into the Iraqi society. Honestly, the fasad and filth I came across there (in our holy cities!) were much worse than what I have come across in Europe. Now I'm thinking that it's safer to have my future kids grow up in Europe rather than in Iraq. Very sad, but true. 

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5 hours ago, Carlzone said:

@IbnSina

It's not possible for everyone to move back home.

I've been in Iraq quite a lot lately, each time getting deeper into the Iraqi society. Honestly, the fasad and filth I came across there (in our holy cities!) were much worse than what I have come across in Europe. Now I'm thinking that it's safer to have my future kids grow up in Europe rather than in Iraq. Very sad, but true. 

Of course not everyone can move back home and moving to a better place does not necessarily mean back home, could even mean to another place in the west that is not as muslim hostile.

I am happy you have not seen much fasad where you live in the country you live in Europe, where I live it is institutionalized, which means they systematically teach your kids to do haram. I think you will find groups of good people and groups of bad people in every country, but the difference is when you turn on your TV in the living room and a naked women is in your face. Or when the kids cartoon teach your children that its okay to have two fathers and the characters are having haram relationships. Or when they want to force my daughter to swim and dance with the boys in her class. Or when they tell my child that evolution theory is not theory but factual proof. Or when alcohol is spread out thru every layer of society, where the parents let their kids try their alcohol for the first time. Or when I have to fear for my wife when she walks out with a hijab on. I could go on for hours.

That is not the environment I want to live in nor raise my offspring in. As a man who travels for a living I can say first hand that every society has its negatives and positives, if we are lucky in life we get to chose which negatives we want in our life. Spiritual deprivation and institutional submission to ones nafs are not the kind of negatives I wish to have in my life nor for my family.

Theres a difference between living in a society in which haram is offered openly, in fact in certain cases enforced upon you, and living in a society in which you have to make an active effort in order to achieve it.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

Of course not everyone can move back home and moving to a better place does not necessarily mean back home, could even mean to another place in the west that is not as muslim hostile.

I am happy you have not seen much fasad where you live in the country you live in Europe, where I live it is institutionalized, which means they systematically teach your kids to do haram. I think you will find groups of good people and groups of bad people in every country, but the difference is when you turn on your TV in the living room and a naked women is in your face. Or when the kids cartoon teach your children that its okay to have two fathers and the characters are having haram relationships. Or when they want to force my daughter to swim and dance with the boys in her class. Or when they tell my child that evolution theory is not theory but factual proof. Or when alcohol is spread out thru every layer of society, where the parents let their kids try their alcohol for the first time. Or when I have to fear for my wife when she walks out with a hijab on. I could go on for hours.

That is not the environment I want to live in nor raise my offspring in. As a man who travels for a living I can say first hand that every society has its negatives and positives, if we are lucky in life we get to chose which negatives we want in our life. Spiritual deprivation and institutional submission to ones nafs are not the kind of negatives I wish to have in my life nor for my family.

Theres a difference between living in a society in which haram is offered openly, in fact in certain cases enforced upon you, and living in a society in which you have to make an active effort in order to achieve it.

 

 

I agree with most of what you're saying. 

I came to Europe as a small small child and I went to kindergarten and school and university here. All western ones. And I basically didn't have Muslim friends growing up. 

My parents didn't allow me to go swimming, dancing or travelling with the other kids. They didn't allow me to go to parties or anything like that. I didn't even know what alcohol smelled like until some years ago when I was on a boat travelling to another country and westerners were smelling weird. That is how I found out what alcohol smells like. And the country I live in has amongst the highest alcohol consumption levels in the world. 

As for TV - it's very dangerous as it brainwashes us without us realizing it. I abandoned TV perhaps 9 years ago and I don't think i would allow my kids to watch TV freely. I'd check what they want to watch. I'd encourage them to watch religious channels. Or just spend quality time together instead of being glued in front of a TV.

As for raising kids, personally, I would be a stay at home mom and not allow them to go to kindergarten, because I have worked there myself and seen what they brainwash kids with. For instance that girls and boys are the same (which I myself was taught and believed for a long time), homosexuality in books as something ok and natural etc.

I would not want westerners to get to my kids minds and belief systems before me. 

Anyway, my point is that you can stay away from all of those haram things if you want to, even in fasadspreading places. Yes, it's more difficult. And if you have the option of moving to an even better and less fadadspreading country then of course that is better. 

In the end I believe that what is most important is to live by Islamic standards yourself and to have a good relationship with your kids. Coz then they'd want to be like you. 

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Salam,  oh my Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى I feel so disgusted and shameful just by watching those videos especially the last part of last video. But they had no shame and dignity making a lie about me, God for bid did they think or saying something similar about me or they use  Islamic historical events to justify a little different lies, what is the difference  I feel like the sooner I go to the next world the better for me because of the lies and false information they have spread about me but now because  of my unborn baby I can't even pray for that either.   I hope they do not take my writing out of context or take it in the wrong way.

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On 1/5/2019 at 8:56 PM, Carlzone said:

I agree with most of what you're saying. 

I came to Europe as a small small child and I went to kindergarten and school and university here. All western ones. And I basically didn't have Muslim friends growing up. 

My parents didn't allow me to go swimming, dancing or travelling with the other kids. They didn't allow me to go to parties or anything like that. I didn't even know what alcohol smelled like until some years ago when I was on a boat travelling to another country and westerners were smelling weird. That is how I found out what alcohol smells like. And the country I live in has amongst the highest alcohol consumption levels in the world. 

As for TV - it's very dangerous as it brainwashes us without us realizing it. I abandoned TV perhaps 9 years ago and I don't think i would allow my kids to watch TV freely. I'd check what they want to watch. I'd encourage them to watch religious channels. Or just spend quality time together instead of being glued in front of a TV.

As for raising kids, personally, I would be a stay at home mom and not allow them to go to kindergarten, because I have worked there myself and seen what they brainwash kids with. For instance that girls and boys are the same (which I myself was taught and believed for a long time), homosexuality in books as something ok and natural etc.

I would not want westerners to get to my kids minds and belief systems before me. 

Anyway, my point is that you can stay away from all of those haram things if you want to, even in fasadspreading places. Yes, it's more difficult. And if you have the option of moving to an even better and less fadadspreading country then of course that is better. 

In the end I believe that what is most important is to live by Islamic standards yourself and to have a good relationship with your kids. Coz then they'd want to be like you. 

 

You know there is also one more aspect you need to consider and thats the most important one in my opinion, which is where you see the society heading, in what direction, will it get worse or better?

All the bad things I mentioned and all the bad things you know of yourself, none of them will get better in the future from my observations and understanding, I can see that from the last 20 years to now.

How will it be in another 20 years?

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On 1/5/2019 at 2:08 PM, IbnSina said:

Speaking about institutionalized fasad/haram, this came out today:

 

 

I want to die, in Islamic schools too!!!!?????!!!!

grrrrrrrrahhhhhhh!!!!!!

ive got two younger brothers for God’s sake!! One is in elementary and the other in middle school! T-T

and I wanted them to be innocent for as long as possible. I was very young when I got to know ‘everything’ so I don’t want them to go through what I did, but for them these people will try to inject into their EDUCATION?! Blasphemy!! 

:angry:

Children are children for God’s sake, we’re being indoctrinated to not even be allowed to protect them! 

Edited by Ralvi

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