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Shams of tabriz

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There is an idea that we are living our lives inside of a digital simulation, a massive computer program the size of the universe. The simulation began running long ago, sometimes in our ancient past creating the virtual reality we see is our everyday world right now. This idea has a huge impact right into the core of our most intimate beliefs about everything, from healing and disease, to war and peace, life and death, religion, God, angels, aliens, UFO’s and beyond.
Is it possible that every day of our lives is actually happening inside of a simulated reality that looks and feels totally real to us?

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12 minutes ago, Shams of tabriz said:

Is it possible that every day of our lives is actually happening inside of a simulated reality that looks and feels totally real to us?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/02/elon-musk-tesla-space-x-paypal-hyperloop-simulation

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The problem is that if realistic simulations of the universe are possible, then there would very quickly be far more simulations of reality than actual reality. Without any reason to assume we’re in reality rather than a simulation, the chances of us randomly happening to be in the one option among billions that isn’t fake is billions to one.

So how did Descartes reject the idea that we are in a "simulation"? What other reasons are there for rejecting the idea?

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22 minutes ago, Shams of tabriz said:

There is an idea that we are living our lives inside of a digital simulation, a massive computer program the size of the universe. The simulation began running long ago, sometimes in our ancient past creating the virtual reality we see is our everyday world right now. This idea has a huge impact right into the core of our most intimate beliefs about everything, from healing and disease, to war and peace, life and death, religion, God, angels, aliens, UFO’s and beyond.
Is it possible that every day of our lives is actually happening inside of a simulated reality that looks and feels totally real to us?

There are others who think our lives are really a play without the benefit of rehearsals. 

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39 minutes ago, Shams of tabriz said:

There is an idea that we are living our lives inside of a digital simulation, a massive computer program the size of the universe. The simulation began running long ago, sometimes in our ancient past creating the virtual reality we see is our everyday world right now. This idea has a huge impact right into the core of our most intimate beliefs about everything, from healing and disease, to war and peace, life and death, religion, God, angels, aliens, UFO’s and beyond.
Is it possible that every day of our lives is actually happening inside of a simulated reality that looks and feels totally real to us?

Who wrote the code? and who designed this massive computer? Who controls the outcome ? 

Who is watching this VR show? 

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34 minutes ago, S.M.H.A. said:

Who wrote the code? and who designed this massive computer? Who controls the outcome ? 

Who is watching this VR show? 

Salam,

Also your very thoughts that make you ask the above questions and make you think what you are thinking about a so called God that created this VR world is also programmed and merely virtual. You are inhibited from thinking correctly because you thinking you even have control over your thinking is itself uncontrolled and is part of the VR world.  Even you labeling it as VR is also programmed, maybe it isn’t a VR but something out of our minds (something we cannot even think about).  Even me writing this is possibly futile and vain because the thoughts I am using to write or type are uncontrolled and part of this strange unknown world.  

In short this ^ is called Nihilism.

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42 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

 

In short this ^ is called Nihilism.

ni·hil·ism
/ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm/
noun
 
  1. the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
    synonyms: skepticism, negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More

     

     

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3 minutes ago, S.M.H.A. said:
ni·hil·ism
/ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm/
noun
 
  1. the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
    synonyms: skepticism, negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More

You should stick with the passage I typed.  It may help you better than the dictionary as I find what you quoted very limited.

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An atheist entered the presence of al-Rida (as) when he had some people in his presence.

Therefore, Abu al-Hasan al-Rida (as) asked him: O man! Can you not see that if your view is correct, and it is absolutely not, then we are equal, despite our prayers, fasting, alms-giving, and the beliefs we profess have not harmed us?

The atheist remained silent.

Then Abu al-Hasan (as) added: However, if our view is the correct one, which is certainly the case, then you are lost, and we are saved.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235051040-atheism-everywhere/?page=8&tab=comments#comment-3065892

 

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8 hours ago, Shams of tabriz said:

Is it possible that every day of our lives is actually happening inside of a simulated reality that looks and feels totally real to us?

Well, in the sense of Ayat 7:179, l'd say this is very 'true'.

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Ayatt 7;179  for reference:

Surah Al-Araf, Verse 179:
وَلَقَدْ ذَرَأْنَا لِجَهَنَّمَ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لَّا يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لَّا يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لَّا يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا أُولَٰئِكَ كَالْأَنْعَامِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْغَافِلُونَ

And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.
(English - Shakir)

W/s

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Also your very thoughts that make you ask the above questions and make you think what you are thinking about a so called God that created this VR world is also programmed and merely virtual.

Above a product of your uncontrolled Virtual mind/thoughts, (based on your logic)

Before you even try to put forward a theory, some basic/fundamental facts need to be explained.

1) Who is this Programmer? 

 

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On 12/21/2018 at 3:42 PM, .InshAllah. said:

In answer to the specific scenario above:  This is more of a problem for the materialist who thinks our mind is just a complex physical computer.  If we are immaterial  souls then its impossible that we are nothing but complex code in a computer simulation.

Salam,

the VR technology is a wonderful analogy to the world we live in.  Being/Awareness is the immovable, intact substance of the VR screen while the objects which exist in , by, through and with Being/Awreness/The Absolute Self are the various objects which appear in, by, through and with the VR screen.  The objects depend on the VR screen but the VR screen is independent of the objects in that screen.  Similarly, the objects of this word (the thoughts, feelings and sensations that appear and disappear) are not Being/Self/Awareness, but exist through It.

 

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Mostafa Hessami
Mostafa Hessami, M.A. Islamic Theology and Philosophy & Islamic Mysticism, Qom University (2019)
 
 
 

I believe this Q&A exemplifies the impact of the science-fiction mythology on actual philosophical thinking. The invalid tendency to explaining universe and human nature by reductionist computational theories is also apparent.

But with my basic knowledge of computer science and programing and good knowledge of metaphysics and theology, I can say in an imaginal setting everything you choose to be possible can be possible which is why I find the question partly trivial even though it is a good thought experiment.

In a mythical scenario in which the universe is part of a grand computer simulation, if the grand programmer! chooses to allow an actor random choices between a set of possible actions, then the actor has a particular degree of free choice but within the parameters set by the programmer which means that on the deeper level everything would be actually predetermined.

But this conclusion is also what makes this reductionist analogy interesting to me as it reveals an actual universal law because the microcosm is often the symbol of the macrocosm. It appears that in the actual world, we are also given a relative degree of freedom by God but within certain parameters, hence on a more fundamental level our actions are determined because the possibilities are always limited and conditioned by inheritance, circumstances and other actors, hence allowing God to have advance knowledge of our actions by the virtue of having advance knowledge of all possibilities. But how can God have advance knowledge of the possibilities that will be actually realized, though, is still largely unresolved to me even though I am certain that it is true.

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Love this topic, wish there was more of a debate on it. I’m started to think we’re living in a simulation as well especially with all the “if this didn’t happen, then that wouldn’t have ever happened....” coincidences. 

The only way to prove we aren’t in a simulation is through evidence that we aren’t, which is impossible because that can be a simulation as well. 

Maybe Allah created “life” through code (considering everything has a scientific base). After all, life IS meaningless. We’re just humans existing to prove to our creator that we (try to) obey the rules... we need our creator they don’t need us. Heaven and Hell can too be simulated. 

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6 hours ago, j.angel said:

I’m started to think we’re living in a simulation

If so, then you have every right to undermine and even reject all the blessings of God you are enjoying here. All of them are not real for you, how can you imagine anything through this fake world. What is your idea about the hereafter? What make you feel it would be "real" or a "simulation" in any case?

Just think for a while what your God has said:

16:78 And God has brought you forth from your mothers' wombs knowing nothing-but He has endowed you with hearing, and sight, and minds, so that you might have cause to be grateful.
23:78 [O MEN! Pay heed to God's messages,] for it is He who has endowed you with hearing, and sight, and minds: [yet] how seldom are you grateful!
67:23 SAY: "[God is] He who has brought you [all] into being, and has endowed you with hearing, and sight, and hearts: [yet] how seldom are you grateful!"

If it is simulation, why God is demanding us to be thankful? Its all fake!!! God Forbid

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Well. For some people social media is just another thing. Not a big deal.

But social media is scary for people with problems, who tend to get attached to social media platforms running away from reality. They tend to choose the virtual world rather than the world they live in, with their alternate ego.

signs of these people, they are usually very active on social media and internet platforms. I think with these people, someone should reach out to help them.

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On 12/21/2018 at 3:26 PM, S.M.H.A. said:
ni·hil·ism
/ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm/
noun
 
  1. the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
    synonyms: skepticism, negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More

     

     

Ahhhh . . . what the 'moral principle' of "let's party" 

That is why l disagreed, because of the use of the word "all".

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On 12/21/2018 at 1:39 PM, Shams of tabriz said:

Is it possible that every day of our lives is actually happening inside of a simulated reality that looks and feels totally real to us?

I do not know why l did not remember this before.

l'm sorry l forget the name of it, but there an ancient mythical proposition expressing the same question but without modern technology. You see it at the very end of the movie "Men in Black". Beginning with 'we are a speck on . . ."

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On 8/8/2019 at 8:01 AM, Logic1234 said:

Perhaps that would help many!!!!

Understand what?

It's garbage.

Contracting the Maxwell-Boltzman thermodynamic distributions by supercooling into integer states was already known to produce strong magnetic fields.

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