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Christmas is so commercial there's nothing really left of it. Families are so removed they don't get together and when they do the holidays are often an excuse to drink together. Actually, it's the #1 reason most of our relatives won't party at our house. Growing up, every part of Christmas had a meaning, it was all about the birth of Jesus, the giving, the sharing, the bonding, and you come out feeling closer to family and God. Now I don't even want to look at it.

Christmas and other Christian holidays were often set over the pagan holidays to redirect the festivities. In Christian logic, bringing pagans to a new holiday is an opportunity to convert them. If you hold a bigger parade, most forget the small ones. They had to come up with a date because everyone has a birthday...kinda thing.

The pine tree. Best reason to put a pine tree in your house is alpha-pinene. It's a compound found in evergreen trees known to clear respiratory tracts. I guess the pagans figured it out first, no idea. Decorating has gone through many changes. LEDs replace candles, etc. but have gone more secular santa and corporate logo. Whatever Christian meaning it had is pretty much lost.

The experience of Christmas in the proper form, with meaning and pure hearts could be compared to a true believer during Ramadan, but you're not likely to find it outside the homes of very few people anymore. 

If you want to do Christmas as it is, you must also accept santa claus and put an elf on your shelf. 

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2 hours ago, notme said:

My family and my husband's family are all Christian, and none of them (at least no close family) drink alcohol at all. They decorate with lights and a tree and stuff, and buy things, especially for the kids, but it's mostly about family, and of course they go to Church. 

We don't do Christmas at home - but we do get to visit and exchange gifts with our family members. I guess it's a fun loophole for us. 

I was invited to an Iftar(?) once. I felt very honored not being a Muslim and the food was absolutely incredible but I don't know what it was (doesn't matter, because it's halal and thus I trust it as healthy and safe to eat compared to McVomit or the poison processed trash most Americans live off of & I also know that the meat was slaughtered humanely by this factor). 

I'm probably incorrect, but didn't The Prophet (pbuh) say that "Every people have an Eid and this is theirs" When someone wanted to stop a celebration that a culture was having?

My family usually celebrates Christmas according to the Julian calendar because we are Ukrainian Americans, so our holiday is usually in the month of January.

[We used to go to church until the church ruled in favor of my father for an annulment (after he gave his diocese a massive donation) and by extension, tries to argue that my sister and I are now "illegitimate" (which is a lie because I have the marriage certificate from the Roman rite church where my parents were married as well as the civil marriage license from the state of New Jersey dated to 1983 which was a full two years before my mother became pregnant with me, as this sort of thing was very important to her parents & I was born in April of 1986 in Perth Amboy, NJ according to my birth certificate). <--- to chase that rabbit, I think that this is why I am very upset with and feel betrayed by Catholicism.]

Now we just eat food, exchange gifts, and enjoy each other's company, maybe read the Bible's "Christmas story" together, but there is no church attendance to speak of particularly since I am on poor terms with area churches for my refusal to believe that 1. Jesus is God  2. That the crucifixion is "necessary" as a blood sacrifice as a precondition for God to forgive sins because God doesn't require or need anything in order to do whatever he wants to do, including forgive sins. 3. Don't believe that the Bible is the "literal word of God" and most certainly not the parts that were written by Saul of Tarsus decades after Jesus walked through Palestine.

Also, people don't like my pointing out that "Santa Claus" was just a Christian Bishop (in what is now Turkey) and say that it makes me a "Scrooge"

 

Really, it's more about being with my mother, sister, and grandmother (who is rapidly deteriorating with dementia, sadly) for me now than anything else and it has been so commercialized in America that I could honestly leave it if my family decided that they didn't want to do it anymore; but since my mother does, I respect her wishes and authority. 

 

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10 minutes ago, GD41586 said:

since my mother does, I respect her wishes and authority. 

My mother also loves Christmas. All her children and grandchildren come together, I think that's her favorite thing. But also she grew up poor, and she loves lavishing gifts upon her grandchildren. 

She's still Roman Catholic, and invites me to join her at Mass usually, but I always decline. If she invited me to accompany her to the children's service, I might, but the midnight mass is just long and boring and crowded and stuffy and miserable to me. 

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3 minutes ago, notme said:

My mother also loves Christmas. All her children and grandchildren come together, I think that's her favorite thing. But also she grew up poor, and she loves lavishing gifts upon her grandchildren. 

She's still Roman Catholic, and invites me to join her at Mass usually, but I always decline. If she invited me to accompany her to the children's service, I might, but the midnight mass is just long and boring and crowded and stuffy and miserable to me. 

I'll admit that the "smells and bells" are really the only thing about Christianity that still even appeal to me, because the moral guidance is pretty much non-existent at this point in American history, and to me, that's really a key part of having a religion at all: so that you know how to live and that how your lifestyle affects your neighbors and community at large.

The whole annulment thing that happened earlier this year has kept me from stepping foot inside a Catholic church since then, as I feel insulted and betrayed that they would rule my parents' marriage as "never having happened" based on a large check to the bishop from one of the parties involved who went before God and took that oath. If they would just admit that they are not infallible and that yes, divorces DO happen, I think the outcome would have been very different for me.

My mother also grew up rather poor. They lived out in a rural community in upstate NY and her father was usually working long hours fighting fires and enforcing hunting/fishing/pollution laws as a NYS Forest Ranger, and he was a child of the great depression AND an immigrant/refugee from Soviet Ukraine who narrowly escaped the genocide/famine that Josef Stalin and his atheist totalitarian regime imposed on Ukrainian people for attempting to maintain their religion and dignity after the Russian revolution, so I think that Christmas probably tends to be a bigger deal to people if they grew up with less money or were from a particularly ethnic family background.

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6 hours ago, GD41586 said:

I was invited to an Iftar(?) once. I felt very honored not being a Muslim and the food was absolutely incredible but I don't know what it was (doesn't matter, because it's halal and thus I trust it as healthy and safe to eat compared to McVomit or the poison processed trash most Americans live off of & I also know that the meat was slaughtered humanely by this factor). 

I'm probably incorrect, but didn't The Prophet (pbuh) say that "Every people have an Eid and this is theirs" When someone wanted to stop a celebration that a culture was having?

My family usually celebrates Christmas according to the Julian calendar because we are Ukrainian Americans, so our holiday is usually in the month of January.

[We used to go to church until the church ruled in favor of my father for an annulment (after he gave his diocese a massive donation) and by extension, tries to argue that my sister and I are now "illegitimate" (which is a lie because I have the marriage certificate from the Roman rite church where my parents were married as well as the civil marriage license from the state of New Jersey dated to 1983 which was a full two years before my mother became pregnant with me, as this sort of thing was very important to her parents & I was born in April of 1986 in Perth Amboy, NJ according to my birth certificate). <--- to chase that rabbit, I think that this is why I am very upset with and feel betrayed by Catholicism.]

Now we just eat food, exchange gifts, and enjoy each other's company, maybe read the Bible's "Christmas story" together, but there is no church attendance to speak of particularly since I am on poor terms with area churches for my refusal to believe that 1. Jesus is God  2. That the crucifixion is "necessary" as a blood sacrifice as a precondition for God to forgive sins because God doesn't require or need anything in order to do whatever he wants to do, including forgive sins. 3. Don't believe that the Bible is the "literal word of God" and most certainly not the parts that were written by Saul of Tarsus decades after Jesus walked through Palestine.

Also, people don't like my pointing out that "Santa Claus" was just a Christian Bishop (in what is now Turkey) and say that it makes me a "Scrooge"

 

Really, it's more about being with my mother, sister, and grandmother (who is rapidly deteriorating with dementia, sadly) for me now than anything else and it has been so commercialized in America that I could honestly leave it if my family decided that they didn't want to do it anymore; but since my mother does, I respect her wishes and authority. 

 

:salam:

May you and your family be blessed. 

I believe if Christmas or any occasion is important to one's parents and relatives, one should be present at any cost, as long as it does not compromise one's ideas.

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Salaam alaykom

I know some can not get YouTube, I was just given permission to upload on shiatv.net do please check it out if you couldnt from YouTube.

https://www.shiatv.net/video/1973783562

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On 12/14/2018 at 7:54 PM, GD41586 said:

that "Every people have an Eid and this is theirs" When someone wanted to stop a celebration that a culture was having?

Hi Imam Ali (as) said : every day that you don’t commit sin ,that day is Eid & said :make every day Eid for us (Ahlulbayt as)

also visiting relatives highly advised in Islam & highly advised to not cut your ties with them .

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 Christmas is about being together with family, not really Christianity per se.  most of the people in my family do drink, but don’t get hammered. My wife is culturally Christian, and the traditional symbols are important to her. I spend the Eids alone, so western holidays are my family time.  Also, eggnog is awesome. 

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Salaam alaykum

On this note will it be considered sinful to hang lightings in your house. Or can we do it with intention of New Years and not promoting Christianity. Or can we do it with intention of celebrating Prophet Jesus’s birthday? 

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4 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Salaam alaykum

On this note will it be considered sinful to hang lightings in your house. Or can we do it with intention of New Years and not promoting Christianity. Or can we do it with intention of celebrating Prophet Jesus’s birthday? 

Whatever your intention, it will be perceived by neighbors and passers-by as Christmas lights. Do you really want that? Better to save your lights to celebrate eids, in my opinion. If you want to join your Christian neighbors in celebrating Christmas, do it with small gifts or good deeds - that will be more meaningful to them and more spiritually rewarding to you. 

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Did you get a chance to watch the video? We did discuss some of your questions I believe... we dont believe it was Prophets birthday so even if you intend this way then you are actually tending to the Christian faith and we as muslims aren't allowed. However if you have family then you should keep ties for sure with them! This may mean attend the Christmas holiday and this is totally fine as long as we dont go against our beliefs. 

Someone said their family do drink as long as you stay away while they do as it's not really good for yourself to be in this situation and you wont be allowed in fiqh to sit at the same table as them, this can be hard I really understand as it happen to us the last Christmas we attended. 

For convert it is very tricky at times I absolutely understand. I have had my share of time that's for sure. For myself I decided not to attend the big day and if possible I attend it with my parents at a different day where I bring the food (to keep it halal) and exchange gifts. 

 

6 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Salaam alaykum

On this note will it be considered sinful to hang lightings in your house. Or can we do it with intention of New Years and not promoting Christianity. Or can we do it with intention of celebrating Prophet Jesus’s birthday? 

 

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8 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Salaam alaykum

On this note will it be considered sinful to hang lightings in your house. Or can we do it with intention of New Years and not promoting Christianity. Or can we do it with intention of celebrating Prophet Jesus’s birthday? 

What is it you really want to do?  

If you want to hang "New years" lights you'd have to hang them after Christmas, or stand on the street and explain to everyone they are not Christmas lights. Not sure how much effort you want to put in to this. 

How important is the birth of Jesus to a Muslim? 

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Jesus pbuh is one of the mightiest messengers of Allah also the prophet known as ruhullah (spirit of God); so I would assume his birthday will also be important and there. I’m sure you’d know we also believe in his virgin birth and the miracles he performed with the permission of Allah swt. 

It’s just that we don’t believe the date to be 25 December and the Christmas tree and stuff comes from pagan Saturnalia traditions.

Peace

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well 25 december is also the day when the founder of Pakistan was born..Christians celebrate christmas while other celebrate his birthday

So is Trudeau and his siblings. His mother Margaret had ceasarians on Chris!mas Day.

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3 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

How important is the birth of Jesus to a Muslim?

we (at least shias) believe that jesus souls comes to earth & placed  in womb of his mother in Friday so our most important day for praying is Friday 

Non-Alcoholic Holiday Eggnog Recipe

https://www.thespruceeats.com/non-alcoholic-eggnog-recipe-1806043

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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On 12/11/2018 at 12:01 PM, Son of Placid said:

 

Christmas is so commercial there's nothing really left of it. Families are so removed they don't get together and when they do the holidays are often an excuse to drink together. Actually, it's the #1 reason most of our relatives won't party at our house. Growing up, every part of Christmas had a meaning, it was all about the birth of Jesus, the giving, the sharing, the bonding, and you come out feeling closer to family and God. Now I don't even want to look at it.

 

Peace, hope, and joy, my brother! The holy birthday of God's greatest gift to mankind does not need a date on the calendar to acknowledge Jesus' birth, because this miraculous birth divided time for the whole world, 2018 years ago. We have cause to rejoice every day as we wait for His second coming. Do not despair, for the Bible says blessed are those who have received God's gift and who Jesus finds waiting for Him when He returns!

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people...waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession... - Titus 2:11-14

Merry Christmas to the world, to all God's children from mankind!

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On 12/17/2018 at 9:14 PM, Ejaz said:

Jesus pbuh is one of the mightiest messengers of Allah also the prophet known as ruhullah (spirit of God); so I would assume his birthday will also be important and there. I’m sure you’d know we also believe in his virgin birth and the miracles he performed with the permission of Allah swt. 

It’s just that we don’t believe the date to be 25 December and the Christmas tree and stuff comes from pagan Saturnalia traditions.

Peace

What date do you believe it to be? According to history you have 364 more guesses because nobody knows. 

The tree and stuff comes from over riding pagan traditions in an effort to eradicate them. Come to think of it, I don't know any other occasion where anyone brings a tree into their house. 

When do you celebrate Muhammad's birthday?

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3 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

When do you celebrate Muhammad's birthday?

hi we celebrate his birthday based on lunar  calendar so the day & months changes every year also there is a near a week difference between celebrating it with shias & sunnis ,sunnis celebrate it a week before shias 

for sunnis this year it was :
Tuesday, November 20, 2018    & for us was   Sunday, November 25, 2018

next year Sunday, November 10, 2019    & for us Friday, November 15, 2019 

In the correct narration of Imam Reza (peace be upon him): "The birth of Jesus Christ took place on the night of the 25th month of the Dhi al-Qaeda". In the authentic tradition of Imam Reza (peace be upon him): "The day that Jesus was born was on Tuesday

for example

the next all years that day is  Tuesday

1431/11/25   Lunar              Tuesday, November 2, 2010   christian 

1431/11/25                                               Tuesday, October 1, 2013

    1447/11/25                                                    Tuesday, May 12, 2026 

    1455/11/25                                              Tuesday, February 14, 2034

   1460/11/25                                           Tuesday, December 21, 2038

......

 1500/11/25                                            Tuesday, October 12, 2077

https://www.time.ir

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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3 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

What date do you believe it to be? According to history you have 364 more guesses because nobody knows. 

The tree and stuff comes from over riding pagan traditions in an effort to eradicate them. Come to think of it, I don't know any other occasion where anyone brings a tree into their house. 

When do you celebrate Muhammad's birthday?

 

We (Shi’a muslims) celebrate Prophets pbuh birthday on 17 Rabaul awwal. When it comes to the day (edit: see Ashvasdanghe post above). But we can send salaam in ziyarat to Prophet Jesus pbuh every day, and we can also do Nazar on food or cake and dedicate the blessings to him If you watch the video we don’t have problem exchanging gifts or saying merry (happy) Christmas to Christians on the day you celebrate it. We also don’t have a problem with Christians bringing a tree to their house. It’s just that we won’t do this as Muslims, as the Quran discourages us from copying non Muslim practices, though it encourages us from being kind to them.

 

-layman (pls correct me if I am wrong)

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On 12/20/2018 at 1:20 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

 

In the correct narration of Imam Reza (peace be upon him): "The birth of Jesus Christ took place on the night of the 25th month of the Dhi al-Qaeda". In the authentic tradition of Imam Reza (peace be upon him): "The day that Jesus was born was on Tuesday

Based on that the birthday of Prophet Isa (AS) will fall next on Sunday, July 29, 2019.

Edited by Akbar673

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On 12/14/2018 at 8:24 AM, GD41586 said:

I was invited to an Iftar(?) once. I felt very honored not being a Muslim and the food was absolutely incredible but I don't know what it was (doesn't matter, because it's halal and thus I trust it as healthy and safe to eat compared to McVomit or the poison processed trash most Americans live off of & I also know that the meat was slaughtered humanely by this factor). 

I'm probably incorrect, but didn't The Prophet (pbuh) say that "Every people have an Eid and this is theirs" When someone wanted to stop a celebration that a culture was having?

My family usually celebrates Christmas according to the Julian calendar because we are Ukrainian Americans, so our holiday is usually in the month of January.

[We used to go to church until the church ruled in favor of my father for an annulment (after he gave his diocese a massive donation) and by extension, tries to argue that my sister and I are now "illegitimate" (which is a lie because I have the marriage certificate from the Roman rite church where my parents were married as well as the civil marriage license from the state of New Jersey dated to 1983 which was a full two years before my mother became pregnant with me, as this sort of thing was very important to her parents & I was born in April of 1986 in Perth Amboy, NJ according to my birth certificate). <--- to chase that rabbit, I think that this is why I am very upset with and feel betrayed by Catholicism.]

Now we just eat food, exchange gifts, and enjoy each other's company, maybe read the Bible's "Christmas story" together, but there is no church attendance to speak of particularly since I am on poor terms with area churches for my refusal to believe that 1. Jesus is God  2. That the crucifixion is "necessary" as a blood sacrifice as a precondition for God to forgive sins because God doesn't require or need anything in order to do whatever he wants to do, including forgive sins. 3. Don't believe that the Bible is the "literal word of God" and most certainly not the parts that were written by Saul of Tarsus decades after Jesus walked through Palestine.

Also, people don't like my pointing out that "Santa Claus" was just a Christian Bishop (in what is now Turkey) and say that it makes me a "Scrooge"

 

Really, it's more about being with my mother, sister, and grandmother (who is rapidly deteriorating with dementia, sadly) for me now than anything else and it has been so commercialized in America that I could honestly leave it if my family decided that they didn't want to do it anymore; but since my mother does, I respect her wishes and authority. 

 

My mom has dementia too, and since my family are essentially non practicing Catholics, they still celebrate Christmas. We all know my mom will eventually reach the point of complete deterioration, so its become more important now than at any time in our familys history that we do things together and continue to make memories while we still can, especially on the holidays we have observed as a family all these years.

No one in my family drinks for health reasons as my dads on 10 hour a night dialysis and alcohol will only make my moms mental health decline quicker, so thats not an issue. My brothers were never drinkers because they saw what alcohol does to people at an early age and they want no part of that in their lives. 

May you and your family have the best Christmas possible.

I have heard from reliable sources and scholars that it is haram to break someones heart, and  in this case, i believe it would cause more harm than good for me to forego spending time with my sick and elderly parents on Christmas, so i make the choice to be i  their presence thilat day. May Allahسُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى have mercy on all of us that are caught in such situations, in sha Allah.

W/s

Edited by shia farm girl

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On 12/19/2018 at 11:20 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

hi we celebrate his birthday based on lunar  calendar so the day & months changes every year also there is a near a week difference between celebrating it with shias & sunnis ,sunnis celebrate it a week before shias 

for sunnis this year it was :
Tuesday, November 20, 2018    & for us was   Sunday, November 25, 2018

next year Sunday, November 10, 2019    & for us Friday, November 15, 2019 

In the correct narration of Imam Reza (peace be upon him): "The birth of Jesus Christ took place on the night of the 25th month of the Dhi al-Qaeda". In the authentic tradition of Imam Reza (peace be upon him): "The day that Jesus was born was on Tuesday

for example

the next all years that day is  Tuesday

1431/11/25   Lunar              Tuesday, November 2, 2010   christian 

1431/11/25                                               Tuesday, October 1, 2013

    1447/11/25                                                    Tuesday, May 12, 2026 

    1455/11/25                                              Tuesday, February 14, 2034

   1460/11/25                                           Tuesday, December 21, 2038

......

 1500/11/25                                            Tuesday, October 12, 2077

https://www.time.ir

As salaamun aleikum brother,

Do you know if there is any truth to the idea of Prophet Issa(AS) being born in the spring? I have heard that based on the Quran saying there were ripe dates on the palm tree where he was given birth to, that it points to it being in the spring time.

Surah Maryam, Verse 25:
وَهُزِّي إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ تُسَاقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًا جَنِيًّا

And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe dates:

 

 

The other thing that MAY point to him being born durring a  more seasonally comfortable time of year, is that winters in the desert can be exceptionally cold, just like the opposite extreme in the summer when it is exceptionally hot, so when:

Surah Maryam, Verse 22:
فَحَمَلَتْهُ فَانتَبَذَتْ بِهِ مَكَانًا قَصِيًّا

So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place.
 

Surah Maryam, Verse 23:
فَأَجَاءَهَا الْمَخَاضُ إِلَىٰ جِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَا لَيْتَنِي مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَٰذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًا مَّنسِيًّا

And the throes (of childbirth) compelled her to betake herself to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!

...it seems possible that this wouldnt have taken place when it was like 120°+ of the summer, or in the cold of the winter, but this is all conjecture. 

Just curious if you know anything about any oof this.

Thanks-

W/s

 

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10 hours ago, shia farm girl said:

Surah Maryam, Verse 25:
وَهُزِّي إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ تُسَاقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًا جَنِيًّا

And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe dates:

Salam it refers in Tafseers that it was a dried leaf palm that didn't has dates on  tree that becomes a fresh tree by order of Allah to show that prophet Isa (as) is bringer of life from his first moment of his birth also when lady maryam hit the ground with his feet water comes out from earth that water is sign of life in every culture 

نتیجه تصویری برای ‪dried palm tree‬‏ Ù†ØªÛŒØ¬Ù‡ تصویری برای ‪dried palm tree‬‏ 

10 hours ago, shia farm girl said:

Do you know if there is any truth to the idea of Prophet Issa(AS) being born in the spring?

it it said prophet Yahaya (John) born in spring and he was near six month younger than prophet Issa (as)

10 hours ago, shia farm girl said:

The other thing that MAY point to him being born durring a  more seasonally comfortable time of year, is that winters in the desert can be exceptionally cold, just like the opposite extreme in the summer when it is exceptionally hot, so when:

Surah Maryam, Verse 22:
فَحَمَلَتْهُ فَانتَبَذَتْ بِهِ مَكَانًا قَصِيًّا

So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place.

in a conclusion of Judaic texts & what said about him in Quran & hadith his real time birth was around  September that all green yellow & reddish leafs are available with each other

نتیجه تصویری برای ‪september‬‏

because his birth was outside of closed house in Quran it is in an open space & in Judaic/Christian  texts was in a semi open space so weather was not too cold or too hot for giving birth outside the house & palm trees don't have dates on them in Autumn & winter that because of his birth in open space we can exclude winter 

in judaic/christian text his parents as they claimed couldn't find an empty room so it was during one of their celebrations like as Pesach that they hold during firs month of year that maybe extended to Start of Autumn  

https://www.cloob.com/c/pasokh/10682032

https://article.tebyan.net/1592/حضرت-مسیح-در-قرآن-كریم

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover

 

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Wa alaykom salaam 

Intresting observation however the brother explained it was a blessing from Allah I'm really not sur eif it historical point of the tree and that time. I did look into the date and put it into our presentation. I had at someone look at its chain and couldnt see a problem in it. I would say it is likely this was the day. 

 

 

Salaam alaykom 

I wasnt able to get this fatwa earlier but recieved it today and thought I'd share.

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21 hours ago, Zaynab McCabe said:

Salaam alaykom 

I wasnt able to get this fatwa earlier but recieved it today and thought I'd share.

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Salam alaykum, 

So for those who do taqleed of Ayatollah Sistani, can we make Prophet Jesus pbuh a “point of integration” by wishing them merry Christmas/ giving gifts as long as we don’t promote Christianity? 

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