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What do you think of the US/Mexico Migrant Crisis?

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

if USA was making jobs

The US companies did. Thousands of them. Whirlpool, all the auto makers and so forth. Union busting decisions. Not counting Europe like VW, Bayer and all. And you can add in truckers, railroads and so forth.

A single example is displaced farmers because the US sends cheap food down there.

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16 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

if USA was making jobs for them in mexico many migrants would back but only thing that America wants is poor neighbors & spreading wars around the world to sell it's weapon

It's not United States's  responsibility to provide jobs in Mexico or interfere in Mexican economics but the American manufacturers that decide to do business there,  Mexico is not a state of the US.  It is also the Mexican governments' responsibility to provide, work with the manufacturers/regulate them  and create new jobs for it's people. 

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If this is what it looks to be, this would be something positive to come out of this:

U.S. pledges billions in aid to develop Central America, curb migration (Dec 18)

....But Tuesday’s announcement defied expectations among some skeptics who thought Trump, a Republican, and Lopez Obrador, a leftist, would clash. 

“Finally, we see that Mexico and the U.S. are on the same page in understanding and tackling migration from Central America as a regional issue, not something that one country can handle on its own,” said Christopher Wilson, deputy director of the Mexico Institute at the Wilson Center in Washington. 

 

Since much of the money will come through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) and will not cost U.S. taxpayers, it is “the creative solution that was found that makes this much more palatable to the Trump administration,” Wilson said. 

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard said Washington is committing $5.8 billion to development in Central America and increasing public and private investment in Mexico via OPIC by $4.8 billion.....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico/u-s-pledges-billions-in-aid-to-develop-central-america-curb-migration-idUSKBN1OH23X

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35 minutes ago, Maryaam said:

U.S. pledges billions in aid to develop Central America, curb migration (Dec 18)

....But Tuesday’s announcement defied expectations among some skeptics who thought Trump, a Republican, and Lopez Obrador, a leftist, would clash. 

as i know every time these action just results to really nothing for poor people & corrupted authorities in both sides will take money for themselves in name of poor people and will say we did our duty towards them & will accuse people to not thankful .

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So they’re gonna spend money apparently trying to prevent more from coming, but can’t afford to spend on healthcare for its own citizens. Lol what a sick joke this country’s political system is. What would help is to end the foolish drug war, stop funding death squads and cartels, also when people arrive at the border hear their claim and have due process, seeking asylum isn’t illegal. Didn’t the Statue of Liberty have something like give me your tired, your hungry, blah blah breathing to be free... some poem engraved on it or something. 

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46 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

So they’re gonna spend money apparently trying to prevent more from coming, but can’t afford to spend on healthcare for its own citizens. Lol what a sick joke this country’s political system is. What would help is to end the foolish drug war, stop funding death squads and cartels, also when people arrive at the border hear their claim and have due process, seeking asylum isn’t illegal. Didn’t the Statue of Liberty have something like give me your tired, your hungry, blah blah breathing to be free... some poem engraved on it or something. 

This is not tax payer money - don't think OPIC would be funding health care for the US in any case.... which is another issue altogether - The US must be the only first world country not to have health care.  Surprisingly, I have spoken to Americans who are opposed to health care... along with other evil socialist ideas.  Seems bizarre to me, but I have never known not having health care. 

I don't believe that the article said seeking asylum was illegal.  Not sure where you got that from. 

However, Not everyone wants to leave their homes and families, hundreds (thousands?) of years of culture, language, etc  behind - they may have commitments of elderly relatives, etc, have worked hard to secure a piece of land, have relatives that cannot travel due to disability, etc, fearful that those left behind will be left too vulnerable, etc.  If the US wants to agree to do something helpful and genuine - this may be the best time as all eyes are on them.

 

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21 minutes ago, Maryaam said:

I don't believe that the article said seeking asylum was illegal.  Not sure where you got that from. 

 

It didn't, but the whole motivation for doing this is because of the perceived immigration crisis, and how these people fleeing are invaders and should come in legally. I am not opposed to giving money to develop societies in itself, but I don't think you'll fix the problem without addressing issues like the failed war on drugs, etc. 

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52 minutes ago, Maryaam said:

However, Not everyone wants to leave their homes and families, hundreds (thousands?) of years of culture, language, etc  behind - they may have commitments of elderly relatives, etc, have worked hard to secure a piece of land, have relatives that cannot travel due to disability, etc, fearful that those left behind will be left too vulnerable, etc.  If the US wants to agree to do something helpful and genuine - this may be the best time as all eyes are on them.

 

True, but many of them aren't fleeing because of a bad economy, they are fleeing violence, death squads, gangs, cartels that the US unfortunately with its history of empowering these groups in the cold war has caused. People wouldn't leave behind a place and walk that many miles just to get better economic opportunity, it's mostly for safety. Sure economic aid may help to an extent, but addressing key failed policy issues would be the way to go. 

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This is Wednesday. This happened last Thursday. So it cannot be much of "a furor on social media" since it only now makes a news summary.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/advertisers-leave-carlson-show-immigrant-182934936.html  although the article says "the biggest advertisers appear to be sticking with him".

What Carlson allegedly said is that l.E.T.s are making "our own country poorer and dirtier."

 

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6 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

True, but many of them aren't fleeing because of a bad economy, they are fleeing violence, death squads, gangs, cartels that the US unfortunately with its history of empowering these groups in the cold war has caused. People wouldn't leave behind a place and walk that many miles just to get better economic opportunity, it's mostly for safety. Sure economic aid may help to an extent, but addressing key failed policy issues would be the way to go. 

The term "failed policy issues" is a sanitized euphemism for American intervention and destruction. Anyway, I am fully aware of these. I have already mentioned in an above post that the instability and poverty in Central America is due to American government "foreign policies" :  

Of course it needs to be addressed.  And that takes acknowledgement, time, and effort - along with money. The vast majority of the population in these countries is still there and will remain there due to many factors. Not only the migrants need support.  My point was that the timing of this infusion of money,  could be a good thing and perhaps less likely to be appropriated by common corruption due to the international spotlight.  I see this as a potentially hopeful situation.   

The US attempts to avoid and duck and divert from the issues they have created, and their overwhelming responsibility in it. Currently, this is by condemning the migrants, condemning and threatening countries who do not physically stop (and whatever that would take) the migrants and by dehumanization - making the migrants out to be inherently evil, violent criminals and a threat to the US.  Sure, a lot of this comes from Trump's rhetoric, but the Democrat-leaning MSM has been very quiet on presenting an effective opposing stance... a few articles on the plight of a couple of individuals does not cut it.

 

 

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By international law, the United States has to hear their asylum petitions, regardless of whether they are fleeing poverty - which, as I understand it, is not grounds for granting asylum - or danger - which is grounds for granting asylum. What in the world is the conflict? Just hear them. If the cases are invalid, send them home.

If the US government were really concerned about undocumented workers, they would more harshly penalize the employers, not the employees who have no power or authority. It's just for show. 

These attempted asylum seekers have nothing to do with undocumented workers. 

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21 minutes ago, notme said:

If the US government were really concerned about undocumented workers, they would more harshly penalize the employers, not the employees who have no power or authority. It's just for show. 

 

The ideology of neoliberalism btw is pro illegal immigrant workers because they don’t rely on welfare and they can pay them less than the market rate too. Milton Friedman whom republicans love was also pro-immigrant workers. 

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Sat,22Dec18 From the Senate Floor today, Chuck-it Schumer

at 2:50 of  https://video.foxnews.com/v/5982876657001/?#sp=show-clips 

Chuck says to Trump, "lf you want to open the gov't you must abandon the Wall."

Translation: "lf you want to open the gov't, you must open the border."

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