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7 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

but USA tries to force it's idea over us everytime About Riba i hope such banks spread both in USA & Iran but currently both economies are under heavy influence of Riba & these banks don't  cause any influence on whole life of everyone on our countries we have a quote that "with one flower spring doesn't come"

Right, but it is slowly changing and getting more popular in the US , insha'Allah, mainstream banking will accept Islamic banking as more convert to Islam or move to the West. You keep going to the subject of riba, when I was talking about education. I am telling you and I repeat: The forcing I mentioned was about the "left-wing ideology " and the OP's claim that the schools force classes to cater to "social justice ideas." That is simply absurd to me, if this is true? How come I haven't met these people yet? I have been going to the college over a year now, I would have noticed these claims by now.

37 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

, we both receive media proppaganda of USA from stelites & pirates DVDS about their spreading idea of spreading LGBT propaganda & weakening families in Iran & on the other hand independent products or somehow anti American products of Americans shows in Iran media & some of these person are traveling in some occasion to Iran to show their movies 

I'd be careful, if I read a bunch of news articles and watch videos about Iran, do I really have the aql to understand everything happening in Iran? Can I call myself an expert on Iran? No, I don't and cannot. I am only given snippets of information to base my impression. The only way I'd truly understand what's happening is if I lived in Iran. You don't know who really made the tapes/DVD's or pirates channels. يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ - 49:6 

52 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Soviet influence and Tudeh never were a  great treat in Iran during Pahlavi regime  , Tudeh was mostly for intellectuals with  limited connection to society that didn't have any influence on people & Country  , their party just once tried to Separate Azerbaijan  from Iran in a gap during time of replacing Mohammd Reza shah with his father Reza Shah that they heavily defeated by new Shah after establishing his government but after that they were limiting to intellectuals that just were nagging abut everything as a fake opposition in parliament ,

America had different ideas, the US has always been odds with Russia, from time Russia  had a czar until today with Putin. The US wanted to stop potential Soviet influence in Iran, they wanted to avoid an domino effort. That was reasoning for the interference, most the Iranians that left Iran after Iran were pro-Shah and anti-communists.  Do I agree with it? No. However that is how history played out. It doesn't help that Iran is friendly with Russia.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Shia  islam from beginning was  great issue of every  Colonizers country even before finding Oil in Iran from time of Safavids & their struggle with Portuguese colonizers in field of merchandise & later oil from time of Qajar dynasty it was a changing matter during every era but their main war was all time with Shia Islam.

It seems like an exaggeration, America never had an issue with Shia Islam, we had Shia support from Mysore,India during our revolution in 1776 against the British or so I've read . Where the US and most American people  go wrong is jumping to conclusions about Iran and Islam. Again, the slogans hurt Iran more than they help. You  only one chance to make a first impression. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The forcing I mentioned was about the "left-wing ideology " and the OP's claim that the schools force classes to cater to "social justice ideas." That is simply absurd to me, if this is true? How come I haven't met these people yet? I have been going to the college over a year now, I would have noticed these claims by now.

they force their ideas to Iran as i mean from us the Iranian & other countries outside USA 

 

35 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

You don't know who really made the tapes/DVD's or pirates channels.

Not all of them but one time that name of one of them said in media after closing his pirate site ,owner of that site  was son of one of authorities in Iran Government

 

37 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

That was reasoning for the interference, most the Iranians that left Iran after Iran were pro-Shah and anti-communists.  Do I agree with it? No. However that is how history played out. It doesn't help that Iran is friendly with Russia.

not totally between them were communist too that still receive financial support from America even their channels broadcast their propaganda against Iran from America , the war of America with soviet union & communism was just a ruse of war both communism of soviets & capitalism of America made by a same group of Zionists their war was just a show off to distract people from reality , Iran is now friend of Russia because it backs somehow to orthodox Christian teaching but during soviet union era Iran was against Russia same as America

 

45 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

It seems like an exaggeration, America never had an issue with Shia Islam, we had Shia support from Mysore,India during our revolution in 1776 against the British or so I've read . Where the US and most American people  go wrong is jumping to conclusions about Iran and Islam. Again, the slogans hurt Iran more than they help. You  only one chance to make a first impression. 

at begining America wasn't a colonizer in Iran & India at that time America was enemy of Great Britain in India & Bolsheviks in Iran  but after throwing out Great Britain from both countries changed it's mind and policy & takes place of Great Britain as new colonizer.

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:angry:"Shameless, contrived mawkishness! Another example of an emoto-political piece."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-border-guatemala/dead-guatemalan-girl-dreamed-of-sending-money-home-to-poor-family-idUSKBN1OE0PY 

My grandmother wrote a poem about my uncle at ~7 saying he wanted to buy a house for her.  Children in general say all kinds of things. What isn't explained is how a 7-year-old conceptualized anything about where she was going and why her father was dragging her along. Her murderous father dragged her along for a sympathy ploy, the same as the woman interviewed last month that abandoned all her children except the oldest -which l remember as also 7-  in her sympathy ploy.

Saturday l took some time to read through a comment section about this dead child. ln the about 50 l read every single one of them condemned the father. Every one -some to you know where. As one pointed out, why were the other 163 in relatively good shape?  l Iooked up Antelope Wells and it is a mountain crossing over 4600 feet (over 1400 meters).

So why isn't the press corps reporting on the legaI condition of the father? Felony Child Abuse resulting in Death.  The little girl succumbed to this abuse inside the State of New Mexico so why isn't New Mexico charging him, holding him, sending him to trial and then throwing him down a hole --for Life? Either political wimpishness or collaborating with these invaders. Similar with the national press/media.

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^^^^ Now here is a photo that explains some things:

http://bangordailynews.com/2018/12/17/opinion/contributors/will-the-death-of-a-7-year-old-girl-put-an-end-to-our-immigration-gulag/

l saw this picture after l made the above post on a US nutwork broadcast.

Question:  lf these people are so poor, how can they afford these expensive phones?

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5 hours ago, hasanhh said:

^^^^ Now here is a photo that explains some things:

http://bangordailynews.com/2018/12/17/opinion/contributors/will-the-death-of-a-7-year-old-girl-put-an-end-to-our-immigration-gulag/

l saw this picture after l made the above post on a US nutwork broadcast.

Question:  lf these people are so poor, how can they afford these expensive phones?

Simple, the phones are getting cheaper worldwide, knockoffs and/or government programs. I cannot believe you had to ask that question. It's no big secret, Hasan. 

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2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Simple, the phones are getting cheaper worldwide, knockoffs and/or government programs. I cannot believe you had to ask that question. It's no big secret, Hasan. 

They are not "cheap" around here. What is the price in Guata-land?

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

They are not "cheap" around here. What is the price in Guata-land?

Guatemala: 99-235 dollars, that is cheap, plus minutes can be between 1 to 25 dollars. Somebody could buy a cellphone if they really wanted to. Cellphones don't prove a conspiracy.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Guatemala&displayCurrency=USD

http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-guatemala.html

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19 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Guatemala: 99-235 dollars, that is cheap, plus minutes can be between 1 to 25 dollars. Somebody could buy a cellphone if they really wanted to. Cellphones don't prove a conspiracy.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Guatemala&displayCurrency=USD

http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-guatemala.html

lf they can pay $99 for a phone then they can't be that "poor". Or smart -buying a phone instead of food or housing materials.

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36 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

lf they can pay $99 for a phone then they can't be that "poor". Or smart -buying a phone instead of food or housing materials.

Salam they can by it in cheap price from black market & smugglers that sell theft stuff ,the irony is that officers & authorities that are basically migrants stop other migrants to pass the borders , these migrants buy everything & they have nothing in their hometown/country to back , if USA was making jobs for them in mexico many migrants would back but only thing that America wants is poor neighbors & spreading wars around the world to sell it's weapon

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10 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Simple, the phones are getting cheaper worldwide, knockoffs and/or government programs. I cannot believe you had to ask that question. It's no big secret, Hasan. 

And there are different levels of poor.

Their one is legitimate as well

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

if USA was making jobs

The US companies did. Thousands of them. Whirlpool, all the auto makers and so forth. Union busting decisions. Not counting Europe like VW, Bayer and all. And you can add in truckers, railroads and so forth.

A single example is displaced farmers because the US sends cheap food down there.

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16 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

if USA was making jobs for them in mexico many migrants would back but only thing that America wants is poor neighbors & spreading wars around the world to sell it's weapon

It's not United States's  responsibility to provide jobs in Mexico or interfere in Mexican economics but the American manufacturers that decide to do business there,  Mexico is not a state of the US.  It is also the Mexican governments' responsibility to provide, work with the manufacturers/regulate them  and create new jobs for it's people. 

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If this is what it looks to be, this would be something positive to come out of this:

U.S. pledges billions in aid to develop Central America, curb migration (Dec 18)

....But Tuesday’s announcement defied expectations among some skeptics who thought Trump, a Republican, and Lopez Obrador, a leftist, would clash. 

“Finally, we see that Mexico and the U.S. are on the same page in understanding and tackling migration from Central America as a regional issue, not something that one country can handle on its own,” said Christopher Wilson, deputy director of the Mexico Institute at the Wilson Center in Washington. 

 

Since much of the money will come through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) and will not cost U.S. taxpayers, it is “the creative solution that was found that makes this much more palatable to the Trump administration,” Wilson said. 

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard said Washington is committing $5.8 billion to development in Central America and increasing public and private investment in Mexico via OPIC by $4.8 billion.....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico/u-s-pledges-billions-in-aid-to-develop-central-america-curb-migration-idUSKBN1OH23X

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35 minutes ago, Maryaam said:

U.S. pledges billions in aid to develop Central America, curb migration (Dec 18)

....But Tuesday’s announcement defied expectations among some skeptics who thought Trump, a Republican, and Lopez Obrador, a leftist, would clash. 

as i know every time these action just results to really nothing for poor people & corrupted authorities in both sides will take money for themselves in name of poor people and will say we did our duty towards them & will accuse people to not thankful .

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So they’re gonna spend money apparently trying to prevent more from coming, but can’t afford to spend on healthcare for its own citizens. Lol what a sick joke this country’s political system is. What would help is to end the foolish drug war, stop funding death squads and cartels, also when people arrive at the border hear their claim and have due process, seeking asylum isn’t illegal. Didn’t the Statue of Liberty have something like give me your tired, your hungry, blah blah breathing to be free... some poem engraved on it or something. 

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46 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

So they’re gonna spend money apparently trying to prevent more from coming, but can’t afford to spend on healthcare for its own citizens. Lol what a sick joke this country’s political system is. What would help is to end the foolish drug war, stop funding death squads and cartels, also when people arrive at the border hear their claim and have due process, seeking asylum isn’t illegal. Didn’t the Statue of Liberty have something like give me your tired, your hungry, blah blah breathing to be free... some poem engraved on it or something. 

This is not tax payer money - don't think OPIC would be funding health care for the US in any case.... which is another issue altogether - The US must be the only first world country not to have health care.  Surprisingly, I have spoken to Americans who are opposed to health care... along with other evil socialist ideas.  Seems bizarre to me, but I have never known not having health care. 

I don't believe that the article said seeking asylum was illegal.  Not sure where you got that from. 

However, Not everyone wants to leave their homes and families, hundreds (thousands?) of years of culture, language, etc  behind - they may have commitments of elderly relatives, etc, have worked hard to secure a piece of land, have relatives that cannot travel due to disability, etc, fearful that those left behind will be left too vulnerable, etc.  If the US wants to agree to do something helpful and genuine - this may be the best time as all eyes are on them.

 

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21 minutes ago, Maryaam said:

I don't believe that the article said seeking asylum was illegal.  Not sure where you got that from. 

 

It didn't, but the whole motivation for doing this is because of the perceived immigration crisis, and how these people fleeing are invaders and should come in legally. I am not opposed to giving money to develop societies in itself, but I don't think you'll fix the problem without addressing issues like the failed war on drugs, etc. 

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52 minutes ago, Maryaam said:

However, Not everyone wants to leave their homes and families, hundreds (thousands?) of years of culture, language, etc  behind - they may have commitments of elderly relatives, etc, have worked hard to secure a piece of land, have relatives that cannot travel due to disability, etc, fearful that those left behind will be left too vulnerable, etc.  If the US wants to agree to do something helpful and genuine - this may be the best time as all eyes are on them.

 

True, but many of them aren't fleeing because of a bad economy, they are fleeing violence, death squads, gangs, cartels that the US unfortunately with its history of empowering these groups in the cold war has caused. People wouldn't leave behind a place and walk that many miles just to get better economic opportunity, it's mostly for safety. Sure economic aid may help to an extent, but addressing key failed policy issues would be the way to go. 

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This is Wednesday. This happened last Thursday. So it cannot be much of "a furor on social media" since it only now makes a news summary.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/advertisers-leave-carlson-show-immigrant-182934936.html  although the article says "the biggest advertisers appear to be sticking with him".

What Carlson allegedly said is that l.E.T.s are making "our own country poorer and dirtier."

 

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6 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

True, but many of them aren't fleeing because of a bad economy, they are fleeing violence, death squads, gangs, cartels that the US unfortunately with its history of empowering these groups in the cold war has caused. People wouldn't leave behind a place and walk that many miles just to get better economic opportunity, it's mostly for safety. Sure economic aid may help to an extent, but addressing key failed policy issues would be the way to go. 

The term "failed policy issues" is a sanitized euphemism for American intervention and destruction. Anyway, I am fully aware of these. I have already mentioned in an above post that the instability and poverty in Central America is due to American government "foreign policies" :  

Of course it needs to be addressed.  And that takes acknowledgement, time, and effort - along with money. The vast majority of the population in these countries is still there and will remain there due to many factors. Not only the migrants need support.  My point was that the timing of this infusion of money,  could be a good thing and perhaps less likely to be appropriated by common corruption due to the international spotlight.  I see this as a potentially hopeful situation.   

The US attempts to avoid and duck and divert from the issues they have created, and their overwhelming responsibility in it. Currently, this is by condemning the migrants, condemning and threatening countries who do not physically stop (and whatever that would take) the migrants and by dehumanization - making the migrants out to be inherently evil, violent criminals and a threat to the US.  Sure, a lot of this comes from Trump's rhetoric, but the Democrat-leaning MSM has been very quiet on presenting an effective opposing stance... a few articles on the plight of a couple of individuals does not cut it.

 

 

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By international law, the United States has to hear their asylum petitions, regardless of whether they are fleeing poverty - which, as I understand it, is not grounds for granting asylum - or danger - which is grounds for granting asylum. What in the world is the conflict? Just hear them. If the cases are invalid, send them home.

If the US government were really concerned about undocumented workers, they would more harshly penalize the employers, not the employees who have no power or authority. It's just for show. 

These attempted asylum seekers have nothing to do with undocumented workers. 

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21 minutes ago, notme said:

If the US government were really concerned about undocumented workers, they would more harshly penalize the employers, not the employees who have no power or authority. It's just for show. 

 

The ideology of neoliberalism btw is pro illegal immigrant workers because they don’t rely on welfare and they can pay them less than the market rate too. Milton Friedman whom republicans love was also pro-immigrant workers. 

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