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Raheel Yunus

Why curse the dead ?

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When someone is cursed by Angels (as) or people, does his punishment get worse...

The thing is Quran says that evil doers are simply punished by the deeds they've done. And evil deed is given punishment of 1 evil deed, it's not multiplied like good deeds...

So if they get punishment by what they did fully, then what's the point of cursing them, if the punishment will remain the same?

If they don't get fully punished by what they did and there is room for increasing punishment by cursing, then why is Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى not punishing them fully?

I don't understand the point of cursing if it's not going to increase punishment and I don't see why Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى would not already be fully punishing those whom deserve curse.

Or is Lanat just affirming that the Curse of God is upon them?


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إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا {56}

[Shakir 33:56] Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.
[Pickthal 33:56] Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.
[Yusufali 33:56] Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًا مُهِينًا {57}

[Shakir 33:57] Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
[Pickthal 33:57] Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.
[Yusufali 33:57] Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.

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What is the purpose of 33:56? 

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا {56}

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If we don't  curse them , We won't  learn & think why they cursed & it's danger of that we follow their way if we forget it 

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Every Day- At least 5( Five)  different times.

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اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ {6}

[Pickthal 1:6] Show us the straight path,

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ {7}

[Pickthal 1:7] The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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21 hours ago, Raheel Yunus said:

don't understand the point of cursing if it's not going to increase punishment and I don't see why Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى would not already be fully punishing those whom deserve curse.

Or is Lanat just affirming that the Curse of God is upon them?

If person A has did something wrong in 1st hijri and you are still, after 1440 years, watching or feeling its effects, and you're "haq parast", it would be your natural reaction to announce bara'ah from that person & from his bad deed(s). And you would feel no shame in mentioninng his wrong doings (tabarra). 

Depending on one's severity of crime, man some times feel to send la'nah on the zalim (for instance Yazeed), praying Allah (s.w.t) to remove His mercy from that Zalim. 

It is similar to durood, as brother has shared the verse of Ahzab, Allah & Malaika already "yusalloona alan-nabi", but Allah s.w.t has invited us to join Him and commanded us to send durood on Prophet.  There is a verse mentioning "those who curse" (yal'anohumul la'enoon):

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 159:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلْنَا مِنَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالْهُدَىٰ مِن بَعْدِ مَا بَيَّنَّاهُ لِلنَّاسِ فِي الْكِتَابِ أُولَٰئِكَ يَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّاعِنُونَ

Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too).
(English - Shakir)

You can see the crime i.e., concealing the clear proof (one example of it is the sermon of ghadeer which many people deny, while other try to twist the meaning of word mowla used in that sermon ). That alone is a reason for invoking the la'nah. It is a type of worship and every believer have to take part in this form of worship. 

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I don't think it's required of us to curse per se.

Allah does the cursing should we?j It's a good question .

It's seems to be a waste a breath to curse something when the best all judges will give judgement.

But if the person we want to curse is alive ...Qur'an says to also be just and kind to enemies.  Advised to return wickedness with kindness not curses.

Also tells us to be quick to forgiveness first.

 

Edited by wmehar2

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It depends on your understanding of the translated word' Curse".  Literal meaning or implied meaning/understanding and there are different levels of meaning and understanding of this Concept.

Known as the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah1

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-3-Allah-son-abu-quhafah

 

 

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Salam Alaykoom,

You curse people to take a stance. It has been commanded in the sermon of Ghadir Khumm to do so. Of course, if the only thing you're doing is reciting mantras that's not taking a stance. By cursing someone, your speech, your intentions and your acts should all act towards distancing yourself the most from those you curse, be it a distance in their speech, in their intentions or in their acts. The corollary is, if you send blessings upon someone, you aim to get close in speech, intentions and acts to them.

On 11/20/2018 at 8:41 PM, Raheel Yunus said:

I don't understand the point of cursing if it's not going to increase punishment and I don't see why Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى would not already be fully punishing those whom deserve curse. 

By the very same absurd line of reasoning, there's no need to send salawat on the Prophet (saww) and its pure progeny (as), while it's been established as a Sunnah (source in al-Mahaasin vol.1). There also wouldn't be a need to act according to your own free will since wherever you end up (heaven or hell) has already been decided beforehand by Allah (azwj). I don't see why Allah (azwj) wouldn't already be knowing who's bound to end up in hell and who's not and who am i to doubt His (azwj) judgment.

Wa Salam.

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2 minutes ago, SamAlFarsi said:

By cursing someone, your speech, your intentions and your acts should all act towards distancing yourself the most from those you curse, be it a distance in their speech, in their intentions or in their acts. The corollary is, if you send blessings upon someone, you aim to get close in speech, intentions and acts to them.

You nicely explained it, that's what ziyarat Ashura is all about - distancing ourselves from the enemies of Ahlulbayt (as).

It's more of a spiritual thing when we send la'anah on the enemies of Ahlulabyt (as).

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I do not believe that Imam Ali cursed

If a Ma'soom is not happy with a person. They are have been Cursed in this world and the next. 

Should anyone argue with you concerning him, after the knowledge that has come to you, then say: ‘Come! Let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, our souls and your souls, then let us pray earnestly and call down Allah’s curse upon the liars’. (Qur'an 3:61)

https://www.al-islam.org/fatimah-a-role-model-for-men-and-women/chapter-1-her-life-brief-account#5-she-died-angry-her-oppressors

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Real question is, when you( general you) recite this Verse?  in your Daily Obligatory Prayers. You ask for Divine  Help (1:6)  and the answer is given in the form of 1:7.

Do you implement the answer to the call for Divine  Help ? 

Which personalities come to your mind during

1) the first part 

and

2) the second part. ?

Unless we are parroting it, without reflection, which serves no purpose except discharge of a duty in  superficial and  non productive way. 

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اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ {6}

[Pickthal 1:6] Show us the straight path,

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ {7}

[Pickthal 1:7] The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

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