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Then they called out: “O Husayn! Do you not fear Allah?! You are detaching yourself from the community and [trying] to cause division within this nation!”

In reply, al-Husayn (as) recited the following verses:

“My deeds belong to me and your deeds belong to you; you are absolved of what I do and I am absolved of what you do.”17,18

https://www.al-islam.org/event-taff-earliest-historical-account-tragedy-karbala-abu-mikhnaf/al-husayns-departure-makkah#stand-amru-bin-said-al-ashdaq

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5 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I never said to come on streets and display your happiness. Infact, if that could spread fitna it would be haraam. 

Wht can't someone 'celebrate' inside 4 walls in their gatherings.?

See, I never said to come in public and celebrate. The unity you're talking is only fiction of your imagination but that is story for another day. 

You confuse between Unity of Schools of thoughts and Unity between Schools of thoughts. 

Now don't say : How can you unite with the followers of Killer of Bibi Zahra.

Its that you look it this way and we look it another way. If we don't unite with them in such a way that Islamic Ummah is kept intact, we would lead to self-destruction only.

The men of God who are preparing for Imam al Mahdi and are saving Shrines of Ahlulbayt know better than us the importance of unity be it Ayatullah Sistani, Ayatullah Waheed, Ayatullah Hakim, Ayatullah Nasir Mikarim, Ayatullah Misbah Yazdi, Late Ayatullah Khoei, Ayatullah Jawad Amoli, Ayatullah Khamenei and the list goes on.

The only paid agents of MI6 and CIA who don't want Muslim Ummah to get united are sitting in Britain wearing British Amamahs and Saudi Arabia wearing Read-white Keffiyeh!!

For them unity is only a fiction of our imagination

You keep same ideology as them when it comes to this issue. 

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khawarij and Nawasib (i.e. those who are enemies of the holy Imams) are also impure. 

https://www.al-islam.org/islamic-laws-ayatullah-abul-qasim-al-khui/impure-things-najasat#infidel

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and Khawarij and Nawasib who express enmity towards th e holy Imams, are also najis.

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2132/

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najis. Similar are the khawÁrij—those who went out against an infallible imam

http://wahidkhorasani.com/Data/Books/ISLAMIC LAWS.pdf

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Liking Ali is the same as faith, and despising him is the same as atheism.”

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Then Ar-Ridha’ (a.s.) added,

“Therefore, he is the one who divides up Paradise and Hell as it is loving him which equals faith, and despising him which equals atheism.”

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235058287-say-ya-ali-as-یا-علی/?tab=comments#comment-3177374

 

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10 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

You confuse between Unity of Schools of thoughts and Unity between Schools of thoughts... 

I believe in unity but not like many people believe. I don't want to discuss unity here as this thread is for different purpose.

You guys are always in hurry to label people paid agents, MI6, CIA, etc. 

Eid-e-Zehra (s.a.) Mubarak if you believe in one. 

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2 minutes ago, S.M.H.A. said:

How do they show Hatred/Animosity/Despising these days- Do they openly come out and attack or is usually a sneak attack utilizing proxies issues? Creating Doubts?

This has become very common method of deviating ordinary shias. If they (enemies) straight away deny the events then even lay people will kick them out so they slowly create doubts in core issues, as we see on SC all round the year. 

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The only issue is whether Umar ibn Al-Khattab actually died on this day, which most historians seems to disagree with. However, celebrating the death of any enemy of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is of no issue.

35 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

You confuse between Unity of Schools of thoughts and Unity between Schools of thoughts. 

Now don't say : How can you unite with the followers of Killer of Bibi Zahra.

Its that you look it this way and we look it another way. If we don't unite with them in such a way that Islamic Ummah is kept intact, we would lead to self-destruction only.

The men of God who are preparing for Imam al Mahdi and are saving Shrines of Ahlulbayt know better than us the importance of unity be it Ayatullah Sistani, Ayatullah Waheed, Ayatullah Hakim, Ayatullah Nasir Mikarim, Ayatullah Misbah Yazdi, Late Ayatullah Khoei, Ayatullah Jawad Amoli, Ayatullah Khamenei and the list goes on.

The only paid agents of MI6 and CIA who don't want Muslim Ummah to get united are sitting in Britain wearing British Amamahs and Saudi Arabia wearing Read-white Keffiyeh!!

For them unity is only a fiction of our imagination

You keep same ideology as them when it comes to this issue. 

All our scholars believe in the kufr of the followers of non-Twelver sects. Sayyed Khomeini in Makasib Al-Muharramma does more than just celebrate Eid Al-Zahra, he likens the najasa of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr to that of dogs and pigs. Sayyed Al-Khoei says much worse about their followers.

Furthermore there is no issue with believers displaying bara'ah amongst each other, away from the followers of the other sects.

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بَرَاءَةٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى الَّذِينَ عَاهَدْتُمْ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ {1}

[Shakir 9:1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[Pickthal 9:1] Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
[Yusufali 9:1] A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:1]

Bara-at implies freedom from obligation and uncompromising severance of relations with the infidels.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060031-eid-e-zahraas/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3181653

Who are these Polytheists, Idolaters and Pagans?

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235034818-a-dialogue-on-your-understanding-of-shirk/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-3136377

 

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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9 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

The only issue is whether Umar ibn Al-Khattab actually died on this day, which most historians seems to disagree with. However, celebrating the death of any enemy of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is of no issue.

All our scholars believe in the kufr of the followers of non-Twelver sects. Sayyed Khomeini in Makasib Al-Muharramma does more than just celebrate Eid Al-Zahra, he likens the najasa of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr to that of dogs and pigs. Sayyed Al-Khoei says much worse about their followers.

Furthermore there is no issue with believers displaying bara'ah amongst each other, away from the followers of the other sects.

 

Furthermore there is no issue with believers displaying bara'ah amongst each other, away from the followers of the other sects.

As if it is practically possible and no Sunni will ever know about it.

A majalis where the speaker curses these personalities from the pulpits, that too reaches the ears of the Sunnis. Some do it purposefully so that it reaches their ears.

 

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https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060031-eid-e-zahraas/?tab=comments#comment-3181415

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا {56}

[Shakir 33:56] Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.
[Pickthal 33:56] Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.
[Yusufali 33:56] Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًا مُهِينًا {57}

[Shakir 33:57] Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
[Pickthal 33:57] Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.
[Yusufali 33:57] Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

 

 Sayyed Khomeini in Makasib Al-Muharramma does more than just celebrate Eid Al-Zahra, he likens the najasa of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr to that of dogs and pigs.

He forbade celebrating death of Umar, so did many grand scholars including Ayatollah Behjat.

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12 minutes ago, shadow_of_light said:

He forbade celebrating death of Umar, so did many grand scholars including Ayatollah Behjat.

The main point is he, like the mainstream view, believed in the kufr of the mukhalifeen and their beloved figures. 

فلو خرج سلطان على أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام لا بعنوان التدين بل للمعارضة في الملك أو غرض آخر كعائشة وزبير وطلحة ومعاوية وأشباههم أو نصب أحد عداوة له أو لاحد من الائمة عليهم السلام لا بعنوان التدين بل لعدواة قريش أو بني هاشم أو العرب أو لاجل كونه قاتل ولده أو أبيه أو غير ذلك لا يوجب ظاهرا شئ منها نجاسة ظاهرية. وإن كانوا أخبث من الكلاب والخنازير لعدم دليل من إجماع أو أخبار عليه. بل الدليل على خلافه

مكاسب المحرمة by Sayyed Khomeini

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Correct me if I am wrong, Looks like there is an concerted effort to direct this thread into manufacturing some chaos and branding to prove a pre conceived plan .

How  did these particular ideas/names got inserted into this thread? to have a forced conversation around them? 

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4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

So should I cry for him? 

No ,just don’t do anything about him when in Ziarat Ashura when we just curse first ,second ,third wahhabist hurt more than we say the names .

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Ibis had to work very hard to become hell bound. So, conceptually its very clear, that guidance is available but if an entity chooses to disregard it out of his/her own desire. I really do have have any sympathy for them especially when it effects the entire mankind. Obstructing guidance/justice is a crime,and no human will condone it. No human will get angry if they are highlighted. 

If Truth is to be swept under the rug, utilizing any covert or overt means. It will not stay hidden, it will come out with extra force and it will destroy the idols and idol worshipers will complain. 

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

No ,just don’t do anything about him when in Ziarat Ashura when we just curse first ,second ,third wahhabist hurt more than we say the names .

There's time and place for everything that includes taking names. 

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10 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

There's time and place for everything that includes taking names. 

when we use exact text of Zyarat without names hurts nemies of Shias more than considering names by our own

According to the Ahlul Bayt News Agency, the Center for Awareness Studies affiliated with the Ayatollah Grand Ayatollah Sistani's Office answered a question regarding Rabi'Allah's ninth day.

This answer is as follows:

It seems that celebrating this day with the Shi'a scholars was celebrated from the past, and the owner of the Book of Al-Naqz mentioned in 560 AH.

There is a long narrative in this area that the later scholars mention in their books, quoted by the early scholars, but they do not connect us to a single document. The books in which this narrative is involved are also missing, and therefore, this narrative can not be considered valid and used.

Seyyed Ibn Tawoos celebrates the celebration as well as some of the worship of this day known as the Shiites, probably due to the coronation of the Imam of Time (aj) as the Imamate and the Provincial because the ninth day of Rabi'Allah is his anniversary. The base of the Shiites is happy.

Seyyed Ibn Tawoos says elsewhere that there may be some hidden reason that we are not aware.

But our jurists, according to the principle of tolerance, to the narrative of the narrative to the Ghusl on this day, based on their trust in this narrative, even if the fatwa document is not fixed. But in the context of the introduction of the narrative on the "removal of the pen" for the Shiites for two or three days, we must say that this is completely contrary to our principles and can not be accepted.

According to our scholars, we have issued a fatwa for the sanctity of certain shari'a acts committed by some common people on this day.

Our later scholars, such as Sahib al-Jawahr and Sheikh Ansari, Yazdi and Hakim, and others, have started giving Ghusl this day on the basis of tolerance for the tradition and narrative of fatwa.

In short, there is no document for this narration despite the recitation of this day by the early scholars, and the later scholars have also cited this narration for the sake of Ghusl, but this is not a scientific reputation that compensates for the weakness of the document, nor is this narrative It has a reputation and is not fatwa, but is based on tolerance towards narrative.    http://fa.abna24.com/news/اخبار-مراجع-عظام-تقلید/پاسخ-دفتر-آیت-الله-سیستانی-به-سوالی-درباره-عید-روز-نهم-ربیع_743869.html

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Afghanistan announces public holiday on holy Prophet’s birthday

http://en.abna24.com/news//afghanistan-announces-public-holiday-on-holy-prophet’s-birthday_917108.html

November 18, 2018 - 7:10 PM News Code : 917108 Source : IQNALink: 
Afghanistan announces public holiday on holy Prophet’s birthday
 

The labor and social affairs ministry of Afghanistan announced Tuesday as a public holiday in the country to celebrate the Holy Prophet’s (PBUH) birthday. 

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On 11/17/2018 at 2:38 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

I knew this was coming. 

@ShiaMan14 @S.M.H.A. @Salsabeel

Nothing wrong with it. We as Muslims have a duty to enjoin the good and forbid the evil. This includes exposing the lies/fabrications that have crept into Shī'sm. We need to act on intellect, and not on emotion when it comes to these matters. The school of Ahlulbayt (`a) is the school of truth and nothing else. May Allah bless you for writing it, good read; and may He reward you @Ibn al-Hussain and thanks for sharing akhi @Waseem162

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What exactly is the haram here, if all Shia end the "official" mourning period on one day ?  Unity of the Shia is a Bidah/innovation. Great. 

Which obligatory Islamic rituals is been twisted and turned and what lies and fabrications are we implying here.? 

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On 11/17/2018 at 5:18 AM, IbnSina said:

Eid mubarak brothers and sisters. Today is the eid of Zahra(as).

Please remember me and each other in your duas today!

Salam. I was moving again and had no Internet connection, so I did not see this topic. Congrats to everyone. I moved into my new apartment on Eid-e-Zahra. How lucky was that? :) I have an interview for a job later today. Please make dua for me!

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On 11/19/2018 at 11:37 AM, Husayni said:

Nothing wrong with it. We as Muslims have a duty to enjoin the good and forbid the evil. This includes exposing the lies/fabrications that have crept into Shī'sm. We need to act on intellect, and not on emotion when it comes to these matters. The school of Ahlulbayt (`a) is the school of truth and nothing else. May Allah bless you for writing it, good read; and may He reward you @Ibn al-Hussain and thanks for sharing akhi @Waseem162

If you're active on SC and have seen patterns of denying every shia thing you'll understand why I said that. From denying Marasim-e-aza to denying celebration of Ghadeer we have come a long way compromising on our beliefs and bowing down to illogical arguments. The 'weak', 'dhaeef' cry unfortunately, in every thread, is taken as seal of truth.

Firstly, it is important to understand that a narration being weak doesn't mean it should be denied otherwise you'll end up rejecting half of our literature. Secondly, even a sahih hadith with a sahih chain could be fabricated although that should be rare. Ilme Rijaal is a helpful tool but submitting our Imaan completely on it is problematic.

Many of our classical scholars have believed in this day and considered it auspicious. Either they didn't consider these narrations as weak/fabricated or they had other reasons/sources to believe in this day. Whatever be the case, The day of 9th Rabiul Avval should still be celebrated because of Imamat day of Imam of our time (atfs).

Let's consider Omar ibne Sa'ad (la) or Ibne Ziyad (la) died on some other day as well Qatil e Zehra (s.a.) died in Zilhajj, still we can have multiple dates in history as we have for wiladat and Shahadat of Masoomeen (ams). Sunnis have narration for Holy Prophet's (sawa) wiladat as 12th Rabiul Avval and we have as 9th and 17th of Rabiul Avval, we celebrate according to our narration. Similarly, if sunnis say 'x' died in zilhajj and our records confirms he died on 9th Rabiul Avval then why do we have obligation to believe in their narrative?

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On 11/18/2018 at 8:33 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

What’s fuss between Shias and Sunnis | BISKIT

https://youtu.be/0H6POt6D_ik

This is not relevant here. Also, this biskit guy has too many issues with his argument, as usual. 

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