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1 minute ago, IbnSina said:

For sure, the undisputed fact that the Ahlul Bayt(as) was happy on this day and expressed joy is enough for us to do the same.

Yes, but the reason should be solidified.

The fact that Umar ibn al Khattab was killed on this day or Umar ibn Saad was killed on this day is not very much proven. We don't have much narrations on this. 

But the fact that Imam al Mahdi (ajfs) started his Imammate is 100% proven so this should be the only reason for the day to be celebrated.

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Just now, Sirius_Bright said:

So should I cry for him? 

Did I said so?? Your way of talking looks really weird on this. 

Don't do anything. Do whatever you want to do in private. Don't display your emotions publicly for the sake of Unity and safety within the Islamic Ummah.

You are talking like a kid. I guess you have Baseerah.

Our Imams never went to publicly celebrate deaths of those Caliphs or even Ayesha!!

So keep that urge private.

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3 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

The fact that Umar ibn al Khattab was killed on this day or Umar ibn Saad was killed on this day is not very much proven. We don't have much narrations on this. 

And ibn e ziyad(la)?

Also the hadith from Zaynul Abideen(as) is regarding the day he received their heads, does not say anything about the day of death.

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1 minute ago, Waseem162 said:

Do whatever you want to do in private.

I never said to come on streets and display your happiness. Infact, if that could spread fitna it would be haraam. 

Wht can't someone 'celebrate' inside 4 walls in their gatherings.?

3 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

Don't display your emotions publicly for the sake of Unity and safety within the Islamic Ummah.

See, I never said to come in public and celebrate. The unity you're talking is only fiction of your imagination but that is story for another day. 

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Then they called out: “O Husayn! Do you not fear Allah?! You are detaching yourself from the community and [trying] to cause division within this nation!”

In reply, al-Husayn (as) recited the following verses:

“My deeds belong to me and your deeds belong to you; you are absolved of what I do and I am absolved of what you do.”17,18

https://www.al-islam.org/event-taff-earliest-historical-account-tragedy-karbala-abu-mikhnaf/al-husayns-departure-makkah#stand-amru-bin-said-al-ashdaq

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5 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I never said to come on streets and display your happiness. Infact, if that could spread fitna it would be haraam. 

Wht can't someone 'celebrate' inside 4 walls in their gatherings.?

See, I never said to come in public and celebrate. The unity you're talking is only fiction of your imagination but that is story for another day. 

You confuse between Unity of Schools of thoughts and Unity between Schools of thoughts. 

Now don't say : How can you unite with the followers of Killer of Bibi Zahra.

Its that you look it this way and we look it another way. If we don't unite with them in such a way that Islamic Ummah is kept intact, we would lead to self-destruction only.

The men of God who are preparing for Imam al Mahdi and are saving Shrines of Ahlulbayt know better than us the importance of unity be it Ayatullah Sistani, Ayatullah Waheed, Ayatullah Hakim, Ayatullah Nasir Mikarim, Ayatullah Misbah Yazdi, Late Ayatullah Khoei, Ayatullah Jawad Amoli, Ayatullah Khamenei and the list goes on.

The only paid agents of MI6 and CIA who don't want Muslim Ummah to get united are sitting in Britain wearing British Amamahs and Saudi Arabia wearing Read-white Keffiyeh!!

For them unity is only a fiction of our imagination

You keep same ideology as them when it comes to this issue. 

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khawarij and Nawasib (i.e. those who are enemies of the holy Imams) are also impure. 

https://www.al-islam.org/islamic-laws-ayatullah-abul-qasim-al-khui/impure-things-najasat#infidel

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and Khawarij and Nawasib who express enmity towards th e holy Imams, are also najis.

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2132/

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najis. Similar are the khawÁrij—those who went out against an infallible imam

http://wahidkhorasani.com/Data/Books/ISLAMIC LAWS.pdf

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Liking Ali is the same as faith, and despising him is the same as atheism.”

....

Then Ar-Ridha’ (a.s.) added,

“Therefore, he is the one who divides up Paradise and Hell as it is loving him which equals faith, and despising him which equals atheism.”

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235058287-say-ya-ali-as-یا-علی/?tab=comments#comment-3177374

 

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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10 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

You confuse between Unity of Schools of thoughts and Unity between Schools of thoughts... 

I believe in unity but not like many people believe. I don't want to discuss unity here as this thread is for different purpose.

You guys are always in hurry to label people paid agents, MI6, CIA, etc. 

Eid-e-Zehra (s.a.) Mubarak if you believe in one. 

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2 minutes ago, S.M.H.A. said:

How do they show Hatred/Animosity/Despising these days- Do they openly come out and attack or is usually a sneak attack utilizing proxies issues? Creating Doubts?

This has become very common method of deviating ordinary shias. If they (enemies) straight away deny the events then even lay people will kick them out so they slowly create doubts in core issues, as we see on SC all round the year. 

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The only issue is whether Umar ibn Al-Khattab actually died on this day, which most historians seems to disagree with. However, celebrating the death of any enemy of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is of no issue.

35 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

You confuse between Unity of Schools of thoughts and Unity between Schools of thoughts. 

Now don't say : How can you unite with the followers of Killer of Bibi Zahra.

Its that you look it this way and we look it another way. If we don't unite with them in such a way that Islamic Ummah is kept intact, we would lead to self-destruction only.

The men of God who are preparing for Imam al Mahdi and are saving Shrines of Ahlulbayt know better than us the importance of unity be it Ayatullah Sistani, Ayatullah Waheed, Ayatullah Hakim, Ayatullah Nasir Mikarim, Ayatullah Misbah Yazdi, Late Ayatullah Khoei, Ayatullah Jawad Amoli, Ayatullah Khamenei and the list goes on.

The only paid agents of MI6 and CIA who don't want Muslim Ummah to get united are sitting in Britain wearing British Amamahs and Saudi Arabia wearing Read-white Keffiyeh!!

For them unity is only a fiction of our imagination

You keep same ideology as them when it comes to this issue. 

All our scholars believe in the kufr of the followers of non-Twelver sects. Sayyed Khomeini in Makasib Al-Muharramma does more than just celebrate Eid Al-Zahra, he likens the najasa of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr to that of dogs and pigs. Sayyed Al-Khoei says much worse about their followers.

Furthermore there is no issue with believers displaying bara'ah amongst each other, away from the followers of the other sects.

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بَرَاءَةٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى الَّذِينَ عَاهَدْتُمْ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ {1}

[Shakir 9:1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[Pickthal 9:1] Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
[Yusufali 9:1] A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:1]

Bara-at implies freedom from obligation and uncompromising severance of relations with the infidels.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060031-eid-e-zahraas/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3181653

Who are these Polytheists, Idolaters and Pagans?

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235034818-a-dialogue-on-your-understanding-of-shirk/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-3136377

 

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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9 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

The only issue is whether Umar ibn Al-Khattab actually died on this day, which most historians seems to disagree with. However, celebrating the death of any enemy of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is of no issue.

All our scholars believe in the kufr of the followers of non-Twelver sects. Sayyed Khomeini in Makasib Al-Muharramma does more than just celebrate Eid Al-Zahra, he likens the najasa of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr to that of dogs and pigs. Sayyed Al-Khoei says much worse about their followers.

Furthermore there is no issue with believers displaying bara'ah amongst each other, away from the followers of the other sects.

 

Furthermore there is no issue with believers displaying bara'ah amongst each other, away from the followers of the other sects.

As if it is practically possible and no Sunni will ever know about it.

A majalis where the speaker curses these personalities from the pulpits, that too reaches the ears of the Sunnis. Some do it purposefully so that it reaches their ears.

 

Edited by Waseem162

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https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060031-eid-e-zahraas/?tab=comments#comment-3181415

إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ ۚ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا {56}

[Shakir 33:56] Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.
[Pickthal 33:56] Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.
[Yusufali 33:56] Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًا مُهِينًا {57}

[Shakir 33:57] Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
[Pickthal 33:57] Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.
[Yusufali 33:57] Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

 

 Sayyed Khomeini in Makasib Al-Muharramma does more than just celebrate Eid Al-Zahra, he likens the najasa of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr to that of dogs and pigs.

He forbade celebrating death of Umar, so did many grand scholars including Ayatollah Behjat.

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12 minutes ago, shadow_of_light said:

He forbade celebrating death of Umar, so did many grand scholars including Ayatollah Behjat.

The main point is he, like the mainstream view, believed in the kufr of the mukhalifeen and their beloved figures. 

فلو خرج سلطان على أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام لا بعنوان التدين بل للمعارضة في الملك أو غرض آخر كعائشة وزبير وطلحة ومعاوية وأشباههم أو نصب أحد عداوة له أو لاحد من الائمة عليهم السلام لا بعنوان التدين بل لعدواة قريش أو بني هاشم أو العرب أو لاجل كونه قاتل ولده أو أبيه أو غير ذلك لا يوجب ظاهرا شئ منها نجاسة ظاهرية. وإن كانوا أخبث من الكلاب والخنازير لعدم دليل من إجماع أو أخبار عليه. بل الدليل على خلافه

مكاسب المحرمة by Sayyed Khomeini

Edited by Sumerian

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4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

So should I cry for him? 

No ,just don’t do anything about him when in Ziarat Ashura when we just curse first ,second ,third wahhabist hurt more than we say the names .

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